The answer to all your questions is quite simple: COOPERATION.
We dont like to see humans die because they work and cooperate with us, we are social animals, we live helping each other. This computer was not made by me, the clothes I am wearing were not made by me, the food I ate was not found by me, I simply helped society(earning money for it) and society helped me back.

Now, if I kill, than the guy who makes the clothes wont be around. If I lie, we wont be able to trust one another and so how are we going to trade. If we steal than why will we work? If we rape, not only we are causing the victim family to hate us and search for revenge, but we also are creating unwanted children who will grow up to be criminals.

Morals exist to make us do what is better for the group and not what is better to the indvidual. Think of an ant-hill, for a ant it is easier to simply steal food from another ants than going out, risking its life, to get food. But what happens when all ants steal food? Pretty simple, insnt it?


I dont know if the facts told in the bible are true, but if they are not, than I must say thet Jesus is a GENIUS, it is much easier to say that following moral is god, than explaing to people must follow morals because it is best for all.

It is so much simpler to say: "Do this because god says so!", than explaining how this will make life better.

Modern society would not exist without cristian morals. Of course this moral was taught for acient world, not today, but even so, I must give credit for the wonders cristian morals did do the world, it did more good (read social conduct) than evil(read anti-social conduct).


Democracy doesnt mean all citizens are equal, it means all citizens are equal according to the law. Difference is a natural state, some are tall, some are short, some are smart, some are strong. It is impossible to make everybody equal, we are not equal.
Democracy only means the State will be ruled by the people for the people, it doesnt mean everybody becomes equal all of the sudden. That's comunism, right?

We do NOT discuss political systems in this thread.
The topic is ATHEISM.

in your opinion he is neither.could you name some scientist that are believers, and believers of what exactly? religion teaches you not to question. science is all about questions so i don't see how "scientist" can be a believer.

Some have claimed that science flourished not in spite of, but because of faith. As for a list of scientists, of course, historically, most scientists were believers. Gregor Mendel, the father of modern genetics, and Georges Lemaitre, who first proposed the Big Bang theory, as well as Stanley Jaki, were all Catholic priests. A male once argued with me that Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle proved there was no God, but Werner Heisenberg himself was a very pious Lutheran. Other living scientists, restricting myself to Christians (because you asked what kind of believer) include Charles Hard Townes, Ian Barbour, Freeman Dyson, Allan Sandage, John Polkinghorne, Owen Gingerich, John T. Houghton, R. J. Berry, Michael Heller (another Catholic priest), Ghillean Prince, Donald Knuth, Eric Priest, Henry F. Schaefer, Robert T. Bakker, Kenneth R. Miller, Francis Collins, Simon C. Morris, John D. Barrow, Denis Alexander, Christopher Isham, Martin Nowak, John Lennox, all of which I got from a web site. I do not feel myself that my faith in any way whatsoever inhibits me from asking questions about the universe.

guns loaded eh

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You are taking my words out of context, of course we are not equal, we are not clones, but under democracy, laws are applied equally to everyone... or at least that is the myth... you are well aware that there are those that are above the law, those that can go around the system, that is why democracy is not real, because as long as this loopholes exist then we are not equal at all (in the state law).

Nevertheless, as I said, is the BEST we got...


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o_o yeah "personal God", that s exactly not what i mean by God, though i think it is kind of inevitable when the figure of God is perceived by humans. When scientists reach the boundary of humans knowledge, what they discovered was from a personal view at first .A personal view of exceptional individual can be different from each other though...and if they can't find the agreement between 2 theories they get pissed off and debate about what God should do at that point...one of them was right,=_= but there s still a long way to complete his theory and it relates closely to the theory of the other...


Wow, that s quite a bit of strange names o_o .... why don't you just quote some major scientists in the Renaissance... (kidding)
Ofcourse i respect you for your faith (along with those scientists -_- ) as long as it keeps you sane, though.

Ha ha ha too late, now you knew that.


Heisenberg : "The measurement of position necessarily disturbs a particle's momentum, and vice versa"
Einstein : " That s BS, as natural basic assumption, a complete description of reality would have to predict the results of experiments from "locally changing deterministic quantities", and therefore would have to include more information than the maximum possible allowed by the uncertainty principle "

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I hope you know what would happened to the ones who wouldn't have declared themselves as believers until 18th (and to some despite having declared themselves as believers)...

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You know what the problem with debating religion is?

Everyone "knows" they're right.

That's not in response to any specific argument anyone here is having, just a general observation.

Myself, I'm an atheist, and I "know" I'm right. To be more accurate, I know my stance is right. The whole, "disbelieve outlandish claims until at least some manner of proof is presented," thing. I also don't really "respect other peoples beliefs", because their beliefs are unreasonable, and the religious groups that govern them are often oppressive. That said, it doesn't necessarily prevent me from respecting such an individual as a person, I just generally see it as one of their flaws. Everyone has flaws, though.

quoted just for truth.

I am an atheist, I guess. The reason I am an atheist is that because I do not need to believe a god or such. Though, I do understand that some people have this need to believe something much higher than themselves.

My problem with religion is that, too many wrong doings were done in the name of religion, or done by name of religion. And still there are some people who use religion to legitimize their actions like in my country.


This quote is one of the famous phrases of Marx, and something I do think it is right. And, it is why I reject the religion and such.

As for god or gods, I do not believe their existence.

I would want everyone to be an atheist but that is something totally impossible. Because there are both people who need to believe and there some people who want to use religion to legitimize their actions.

As one last thing, no offence meant at all. These are jut my truths.

A lot of bad things were done in the name of religions, but what of people who believe in a higher power but are not a part of a church or any other organized religions. I dont think that many wrong doings were done by them

i used would there because,i know you cannot make everyone atheist like you cannot make everyone religious.

and did i ever say that that many wrong doing done by them? they need to believe and they do believe.. my words were not aimed to them.

I apologize for misunderstanding

I always like to say that people should be pretty much free to believe what they like. I wouldn't want someone shoving their idea's on me as I wouldn't want to shove my idea's on others.



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Technically its "Religion is the opium of the masses." which is the exact same thing you said... so blah... and I do agree people use religion as a coping device but I don't believe a certain "religion", as people call it, is some sort of therapeutic psychological tool.

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