FMA isn't that main stream? What about the other smaller titles...I understand you feel noble when buying these goods but seriously most of the up to date stuff is from the net. Scanalators. They seem to be more up to date.


Edit: but i have to admit this forbindanplanet place is good
Might use it.

Last edited by fr33noob at 4:02 am, Jul 23 2010

________________

I believe in letting people do as they wish, as do I myself. Sometimes, of course, what I wish to do is kill them and they do not wish to die. This gives life interest.

True that scanlators are up to date but it's always going to be like that. You can't expect publishers to be where we are with say something like Naruto
Nah I don't buy manga to feel "noble", I buy them because I like having them in paperback. I've been collecting for 2 years now, before all this cutting down on scanlation stuff has been happening. It hasn't actually changed my approach on anything. I'm just continuing like I normally do.
Basically, all I was trying to say is the UK isn't too bad in terms of manga stock compared to other places.
And yeah, Forbidden Planet is an awesome shop indeed.

You immature, spoiled little twats. Are you reading what you're posting?
No? Maybe this will help you:



There is simply no excuse.
If you pirate, then STFU.
There's no need to be proud of and boastful about it - you'd only make yourselves look much worse.

________________

Everyday I'm tumblin'

@Scyfon:
When you steal a physical item from a store, the store owner loses because the store owner no longer has that item to sell. That is not the case for online piracy of movies, music, anime, and manga.

Making a copy is NOT the same thing as conventional stealing.

Unlike the store, which lost something physical, when you download manga the publisher only loses out if you would have bought that manga in the first place. If you would not, or could not buy the manga then it makes no difference to the publisher. The publisher does not win or lose when poor people download manga or do not download manga.



As far as I'm concerned that is a valid argument, so fuck you. Most of what I read will never hit US shores so nobody loses or wins when I read them.

You can take your flawed sense of morality and shove it right on up your uptight ass. If you don't pirate, then STFU. I am proud and boastful.

My my, aren't we defensive today?
Did you think partially quoting me will somehow make you look better?
No, no. That won't do. Here, have the rest of it.
It's free! We all know how much you like free things, right?


You argue that things aren't sold at where you live - hinting that you would actually buy them if they were. Here, I point out that you CAN buy them, just not from a physical store but an online one instead
... and thus rendering your "valid argument" not so valid.


*FIXED*

And all I did was to try to save you some face

________________

Everyday I'm tumblin'

I was not speaking of going to my local store and trying to buy manga, you tool. Most of what I read has not hit our shores anywhere. As in there are no vendors that sell them in English.

Also, I like how you conveniently ignored the rest of the argument. If people have no means or intention to buy manga, then the manga producers do not lose or win when these people download manga.

Last edited by RideTheWalrus at 5:49 am, Jul 23 2010

@scyfon

i just looked at your list you had 89 on your reading list and 69 on you complete list. can you honestly say that you bought everyone one of those manga on you complete lists?

i just think it's sad that we've got to the point of calling each others thieves and scoundrels.

________________
"If I weren't crazy, I'd be insane!"


"In my dream, the world had suffered a terrible disaster. A black haze shut out the sun, and the darkness was alive with the moans and screams of wounded people. Suddenly, a small light glowed. A candle flickered into life, symbol of hope for millions. A single tiny candle, shining in the ugly dark. I laughed and blew it out."

I "conveniently ignored" your argument because you're obviously missing the whole point of why your shitty online reader was taken down in the first place.
You seem to be ignoring foreign publishers as well. English is not the only language other than Japanese. What may not be available to you may be available to others. Sure, the English publishers may not "lose" from people downloading, but what about the original publishers?
Another reason why I ignored this argument was because it wasn't my point in the first place!
I was just pointing out to you prideful twats that showing off about what you do only looks "good" from your perspectives.
It's not like I'm saying I don't download or have not downloaded things before, I'm just saying that you shouldn't boast about it. It's unsightly juvenile behaviour.

@J-oker
Again, never did I once say that I don't download.

________________

Everyday I'm tumblin'

the news

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-06-08/u.s-japane se-publishers-unite-against-manga-scan-sites

surprised that no one links to it yet


and
no one can stop translator because for them translating means more learning of japanese


hmm
if the move succeed i can see it happening in anime too
i mean even non-us license is now illegal.... wtf...
but of course no one can stop piracy as usual
i say they should form coalition with all country in the world and all entertainment industry hmm maybe that will make a change

Last edited by trebors at 6:13 am, Jul 23 2010

I don't see how this changes the point. You can substitute English for any language. The original publishers still lose nothing because no sales would be made in either scenario.



I don't think downloading manga is something to be ashamed of or kept in the dark like some dirty little secret, because that implies on some level that downloading is wrong. Sometimes people who publicly and proudly state that they download do so to raise that point.

@ Scyfon/RidetheWalrus ; I think you both have a point.
It's true that what we're doing is stealing; we all know this to be true, and stealing is stealing (morally) if it makes the publisher lose money or not.

However, I do agree with RidetheWalrus about how we would not be reading manga in the first place without online scanltaions. Or at least, I know I would not be. I didn't even know what manga was until I was given a link to a Naruto scanlation site way back in 2003. And because of that I have purchased some real volumes. So, rather then lose money from my stealing, they probably made $100 bucks or so. (Well... they basically didn't make anything in their mind, but that's quite a bit of money to me.)

Last edited by Dragonfiremule at 6:54 am, Jul 23 2010

________________

Oh! okay, my bad, It just sounded as if you had a vendetta against downloaders.
In that case i gotta agree with you on the bases that it shouldn't be something you should go about boast about yet it shouldn't be something you should seek to hide after all if you are going to download and (steal) might as well do it wholeheartedly.

________________
"If I weren't crazy, I'd be insane!"


"In my dream, the world had suffered a terrible disaster. A black haze shut out the sun, and the darkness was alive with the moans and screams of wounded people. Suddenly, a small light glowed. A candle flickered into life, symbol of hope for millions. A single tiny candle, shining in the ugly dark. I laughed and blew it out."

Here is my thoughts. it is unfair for many reasons, in most asian countries manga only cost around 4 dollars. they care about bringing manga to the population for them to read it. while as in the us for example the companies only care about making money. they say copyright and translation costs to much that is just bull. i bought one piece and others in korea and it was still less than 4 us dollars. something is wrong here. also the majority of the manga online are not available in US ex Historys Strongest Disciple Kenichi, it is one of my favorite manga and i have to import it just to collect it. yes technically is stealing but i still buy all the books even though they almost cost three times as much but the US has to realize money isnt everything.

So the group of publishers, particularly the Japanese publishers, banded up to fight scanslation...just for fun?

________________

Everyday I'm tumblin'

No, actually, that's incorrect. They're companies. They exist for profit. In Japan, and most of Eastern/South Eastern Asia as a whole, manga (as well as its localized equivalents) are accepted norms. As a result, the customer base exists in order to make such pricing financially viable.

There's a big difference in the numbers when you look at average sales of a volume in Japan and a volume in the US. That's where the price difference comes from. If you don't like it, make more people buy manga so that the pricing can come down.

Regardless of whether or not the "mission" is profit, finances are always the bottom line. Companies will not do things they cannot afford to. That's lunacy.

________________

Reviews of my Work:
You are kind of boring - Blackorion
Congratulations! Ur an asshole! - tokyo_homi
Your awesome!!! - Cherelle_Ashley
NightSwan also said that she wanted to peg me, once, but I'm not sure whether to take that as a compliment or a threat...