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Mangaka Ken Akamatsu, perhaps best known as the mangaka behind the extremely popular Love Hina series, recently shared his concerns regarding the rising pressure from Western markets to “introduce political correctness” into manga and the possible negative effects such a push could have for creators and fans across the medium.

A vocal and outspoken anti-censorship critic in his own right, Akamatsu broached the subject of ‘political correctness’ during the opening panel of the recent Manga Artist Mirari Conference, an online event held last December wherein various manga creators were invited to discuss their thoughts on the current state of the industry and their outlooks on the future.

According to a machine translation of Logmi’s transcript of the panel, when asked for his thoughts on “manga and the overseas market,” Akamatsu laughed and responded, “In short, it’s politically correct.”

“Political correctness. External pressure is coming, such as [the pressure to] ‘introduce political correctness into manga and movies,’” the mangaka added. “That’s dangerous, isn’t it?”

Akamatsu then explained, “So far, when Japanese manga is at the stage of looking at the world, there is a pressure on the scene to meet more global standards.”

“I’d like to have the manga artists unify their opinions to some extent as to whether such things are ‘correct or not,’” he continued. “However, when the sales of works that have become globalized and have no sharp edges are good, they end up saying, ‘Oh, [political correctness] might be good.’”

The veteran mangaka’s sentiments were echoed by co-panelist Takuma Kobayashi, the Representative Director of publishing house Number Nine Co. Ltd., who similarly opined, “Regardless of the company, I think that ‘freedom of expression’ should be respected in my personal opinion.”

Akamatsu later remarked, “if you don’t go abroad, [the political correctness] problem isn’t a battle at all,” which prompted Kobayashi to share his “personal idea” that “I don’t think [a series] will sell that much when it comes to selling [itself as politically correct].”

“The point is, ‘Manga that was released without being conscious of political correctness cannot be read due to the political correctness problem,’” said Kobayashi. “I think this is a mess. Like [a fire].”

Recalling how he had “heard that the excitement of Hollywood movies is generally decided by script doctors and scenario doctors,” Akamatsu joked, “from now on, I’d like to release various blacks and whites with political correctness in mind.”

“It may be the same no matter what you look at, like ‘Avengers,’” conceded Akamatsu. “I don’t know, but after all it’s a hit.”

In turning to the debate of ‘mass appeal’ vs ‘artistic authenticity’, Akamatsu observed, “The one that hits may go to Hollywood, [but], it is better to have freedom of expression.”

“Manga is mainly about freedom of expression, and it feels like you don’t give in to political correctness,” noted Akamatsu, before questioning, “Is it a loss if the politically correct works get overwhelming power? I wonder if that means.”

However, Kobayashi reassured Akamatsu “even if there is entertainment that goes against political correctness, it would be different if this (current idea of political correctness) remains the same 10 years later, 20 years later, 30 years later, and so on.”

“It wasn’t even five years ago. I was told recently,” Kobayashi said. “The possibility that this will become the standard for the future is not zero, but it may change again.”

He concluded, “That’s why I think it’s important not to win or lose in the short term, but to always create something that you can be proud of as entertainment.”



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That’s really interesting… I guess from the manga author’s point of view, you would always want to have artistic license. If publications stand in the way because of “political correctness”,they’re only concerned how the series is going to be received by the public. Sales do have an impact on a series’ longevity. However, for me personally, I have grown tired of some manga depicting undertones of misogyny, oversexualizing characters, or pointless ecchi fanservice. (I understand that it’s comedy - but some of it is criiiinge, I guess you can contribute that to today’s culture climate). But that’s just me and I stay away from those. All in all, i think manga authors should stay true to what they want to write, and the people are gonna read what they want to read.

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Honestly, my gut response is definitely all for freedom of expression - but I can definitely see the problems that might arise within such a loose view. I guess the hope would be that anyone putting out harmful views in their work simply won't be well received, but I know that just isn't how it is.
I guess that's what discussion is for, but in a world as unreasonable as this one...

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As a "foreigner", I will say that there are somethings that PC has affected when it comes to expression. For example some animes and mangas will censor certain symbols, for example Neji from Naruto had his forehead symbol changed for western (and maybe more) audiences because Nazism. In that respect I can understand because that symbol (although tied to Nazism) is still a religious symbol.

I mean I kinda feel like the complaints on certain things like oversexuaIizing females (including those underage) is warranted. A good story will have visuals that are meaningful and typically are contextualized in the story. But let's be honest a lot of mangas (not just japanese) like to use imagery that isn't meaningful or contextualized in the story. Take Midnight from MHA, yeah she has a quirk that is released from her skin, so she is covered up. Why the hell is she dressed like a dominatrix? Odds are the reason is because "sex sells". Dont even get me started on why Momo (underaged) needs to have her boobs exposed (like Midnight she needs her skin exposed to make use of her quirk) when her arms and legs are already exposed. If mangaka are complaining about PC ruining things like this, I welcome it because there is nothing meaningful from this. I have read some mangas that have females have dressed but it's fairly contexualized because the setting is based around "tribal culture". Which yes has it's cons, but the attire is justified.


Don't get me wrong someone could say the same thing about violence but it's way easier to justify violence in a story with kids, than sexuality...without making people very uncomfortable. Make the setting a war or a fight club, done.

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A good story will have visuals that are meaningful and typically are contextualized in the story. But let's be honest a lot of mangas (not just japanese) like to use imagery that isn't meaningful or contextualized in the story. Take Midnight from MHA, yeah she has a quirk that is released from her skin, so she is covered up. Why the hell is she dressed like a dominatrix? Odds are the reason is because "sex sells". Dont even get me started on why Momo (underaged) needs to have her boobs exposed (like Midnight she needs her skin exposed to make use of her quirk) when her arms and legs are already exposed.

Why does an author have to justify how they design their character for the story they're telling?

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Don't get me wrong someone could say the same thing about violence but it's way easier to justify violence in a story with kids, than sexuality...without making people very uncomfortable. Make the setting a war or a fight club, done.

Let's actually compare, two series aimed at children, released in the same time period, by the same author, with similar events in the story, and similar amounts of sexual and violent content: Devilman versus Cutey Honey.
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In the former series, the finale is all of humanity getting slaughtered with the overwhelming majority of the victims depicted being men; meanwhile the latter series' finale depicts all the students and faculty in an all-girls Catholic school getting slaughtered.

Comparing the former to the latter, which will obviously cause more uproar and be more "uncomfortable" for people despite similar content being present?

Also, you do realize that Japan treats sexuality in a very different manner compared to the West when you take into consideration that JAPAN HAS ENTIRE FESTIVALS CENTERED AROUND CELEBRATING COCK AND PUSSY. Yes, this is a real thing.

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Thanks for the reply, there was lots of education. But now for the reply

>Why does an author have to justify how they design their character for the story they're telling?

I don't mean to give the impression that after a story has been published, they should hold a press conference and explain why certain contents were there and added for the overall affect of the story. However certain choices in story telling do well in being justified especially if that choice is "controversial". Sexuality is low hanging fruit, but this extends to stories that want their setting to take place in say the Middle East, Africa (Egypt), or basically where you will find brown/black people, but have most of the cast be fair skinned if not white. Yeah, I would really like an author to justify why the choice of having an MC (who is supposed to be indigenous to that location) be fair skinned even though historically they should be brown (if not darker).

Point is that people want characters that feel meaningful and holistic. Not to say that sexuality should be banned, I think that is going too far. However if you choose to sexually objectify any character (male or female), hopefully there is a meaningful reason beyond..."sex sells". I want to say that even if a character is sexually objectified, that doesn't mean that their sexuality is all that there is to them. If there is more to a character than their sexuality, or if their sexuality doesn't really enhance their development as a character...why objectify them in the first place? Like I said, you can have a character that is dressed to entice sexually...you just gotta justify why that choice as opposed to something more neutral.

>Comparing the former to the latter, which will obviously cause more uproar and be more "uncomfortable" for people despite similar content being present?

I mean I kinda have to take you at your word because I don't know these series well to really comment. I don't know which would cause more uproar because factors such as: age demographic, choice in how violence is depicted, or moral themes presented in the story.

>Japan treats sexuality in a very different manner compared to the West

Yes but sexuality that targets a person for the sole reason of objectifying them vs sexuality as it exists isn't the same thing. For example, if a manga had a character that was based on a goddess of fertility, that would contextualize why a female (hopefully a woman) may have sensual or sexy attire. Having a festival about sexuality, isn't objectifying a person (let along someone underage), it's celebrating the human body ie kinda like a the Statue of David kinda thing. Going back to my MHA example, if Midnight was a character who say was a reincarnated goddess of fertility...i might buy it. Momo, who is underaged, has no reason to be as objectified since nothing about her character needs to be.


This might seem like an unfair standard to some but the West has this standard with plenty of people to hold them (creators of stories) accountable. I respect the Mangakas opinion and do agree that sometimes PC can ruin things, however if they are just butthurt about not being able to sexually objectify characters just willy nilly...they i have a hard time feeling bad.


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It's undeniable that many manga cliches are misogynistic such as:Harem; most tropes in shoujo and shonen (lets not forget these are especially directed to children)... a significative part of the manga industry are Japanese ultra-nationalists. Ignoring the cause of why things evolved that way Ken Akamatsu has a complete misconception with artistic authenticity, his words are clearly ligated geologically .

His "mass appeal vs artistic authenticity" si more like "mainstream here vs mainstream there" it's an argument made to polarise and shun the negative aspects of what he dislikes .In the end it's always adapt or die so the concision is obvious Global focused media is already taking what it likes and media over there is doing the same. Whenever either side published a good work the balance will move a bit.

And if you go other Asian media:
-Manhua things go crazy.
-Manhwa treats almost everything as objects that can be bought with money ,only valuing money and attractive people.
-K-pop is basically an enhanced version of boy/girl bands subjugates to crazy cuasi slavery contracts.
Etc.
(Not precisely my definition of freedom)

It isn't as if the only exported that, Superflat movement amongst many others did exist to oppose the politically incorrect (amongst other things), but the were't as influential.

The mainstream entertainment industry, never moved for something other than money (Global or national). If they change stuff it's just to reach a wider public. A good example of how editorials are far from intervening in Mangas would be "Sasuke" in "Naruto" was only added for the series to have more appeal. Shonen /shoujo from my POV are closer to old comics than to their 50's counterparts especially the narratives.

I personally agree on the part of artistic freedom (but his choice of arguments are terrible). There are copious examples or "international" media like physical comedy , comics ,political satires, extremist publications ... That reach a global market and are far from being politically correct. Manga itself reaches a global public.


I prefer the 70-80's movies "life of Brian" or "Blade runner" that didn't care abut nudity or political correctness too much and showed death/blood more natural (or even comical) without being gore in contra-position to an insipid comedy or the Hunger games.

Just to include an example of the oposite would be OELs . For example TBATE novel differs from the web comic (other than to smooth out some inconsistencies and adapt to the format ) to approach the Asian/Korean market. Tokens LOTR influences heavily the fantasy genre .Many manga/DnD/Post LOTR novel fantasy fans ...can't conceive the genre outside LOTR's settings.

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I personally believe that most of Japans "uniqueness" is the result of and endogamic revision of works and excesive intervention of the publishers/editors. This is obviously not an example of freedom and more a clear antropologic example of closed circles of people (artists) with big egos mixing their ideas and to "brew mangas" and taking into their their circles like minded people. Just like it happens in other elitist/artistic circles (clasical music,many art movements...).

Some series defer so little you can check out ep 100 of a series without getting lost.

A great example of this are: the mecha genre; some genres inspired by games (lately there is an overpopulation of these in the Asian panorama) ; the overly exaggerated archetypes ; weird fetiches tropes (sadistic characters, whatevernonsense-dre, some publishers accepting ultra nationalist web novels and publishing after some revisions (most isekai. Ex.: JSDF Gate ...).

If you ever wondered why there was so much isekai and why they're obsessed with Jap. food it's probably that

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I am not a fan of politically correct works honestly. And I would hate to see mangas becoming so. I think what makes mangas special and better than its counterparts is, its originality and the flavor of japanese culture. The understanding of correctness from western countries would just spoil it.
I don't really see any reason for a work of art to be politically correct anyway. It is art so it has to be original and authentic. It is not something to be shaped by someother than the artist itself. As long as it is not way too much morally degenerate and doesn't promote criminal activity I see no reason for it to be unacceptable or improper.

Though I too dislike overly sexualized characters It really has to do nothing with the misogyny imo. It promotes male fantasy ofcourse but I dont get how it affects women in anyway. 'Tis only natural for people to read and write whatever appeals to them. I even think pointing out to these things is just judging men for what they like. Saying overly sexualised women characters degrades woman is like saying David Beckham degrades rest of men😁.

As I said it is only natural for people to look and search for things that appeal to them. And narrowing all the things people could imagine, desire and create, over to be politically correct wouldn't do ant good to the wide range and richness of manga. That would just made them incomplete.

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I do see your point. However i do see value in challenging authors even with their works. I agree that the appeal of some mangas is the authenticity that come in the form of cultural (to japan) influences. However, even with that in mind, to suggest that an author shouldn't be at the very least aware of how certain material in their stories can be offensive, especially if they pertain to a culture outside of their own...i wouldn't agree with. I suppose it depend on what the author feels PC has made a mess of.

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Yeah I too think they shouldn't be inconsiderate of other peoples cultures, priorities etc. (while depicting them) and challenging them to think and consider to a certain point is necessary.

But I also think people really shouldn't get offended by someone elses work of art. As It was made for to materialize some others ideals and thouhts.

What I want to avoid is that the author being scared of adding controversy to their work cause it wouldn't be politically correct. That would hollow the works to the point that only the bad and good side of the political correctness would remain. And the gray zone (and bunch of other colors imo) would become unattended. Therefore lefting us with fewer ways to dream and think over the work at hand. Narrowing our sight and emotions. Thus defying the purpose of writing and reading.

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Sexuality is low hanging fruit, but this extends to stories that want their setting to take place in say the Middle East, Africa (Egypt), or basically where you will find brown/black people, but have most of the cast be fair skinned if not white. Yeah, I would really like an author to justify why the choice of having an MC (who is supposed to be indigenous to that location) be fair skinned even though historically they should be brown (if not darker).

But, Northern Africans and most Middle Easterners are of a lighter skin-tone. At the very most, even to this day, they would be considered to be "tan" when it comes to their complexion. "Brown" Africans are native to the West side of the continent, mean "Black" Africans are native to everything South of Ethiopia. In fact, Egypt didn't have a "black" pharaoh until the 7th century BC when the Nubians came in. That's in addition to the fact that, if you bothered to look things up, you're realize that a lot of the people in those regions ARE "WHITE". Look up celebrities from those regions like actors native to Egypt, or e-celebs like JonTron who are Iranian.

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Point is that people want characters that feel meaningful and holistic.

No, people like to consume entertainment that is either interesting or entertaining. You can achieve either of these by having a story centered around entirely one-note characters or characters with actual depth. One size does not fit all.

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However if you choose to sexually objectify any character (male or female), hopefully there is a meaningful reason beyond..."sex sells".

What the Hell is wrong with characters being "objectified"? They're characters in a fucking comic book. They're OBJECTS inserted into a story for the means of making it compelling, interesting, or entertaining.

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I want to say that even if a character is sexually objectified, that doesn't mean that their sexuality is all that there is to them. If there is more to a character than their sexuality, or if their sexuality doesn't really enhance their development as a character...why objectify them in the first place?

Please explain to me the logic of HOW THE FUCKING HELL does one's attire translate to the sexuality of a character? Transistor Venus and Keep Your Hands off My Daughter! depict very similar styles of skimpy clothing, yet only the former has a lesbian protagonist.

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age demographic

Both were released in the same damn magazine, Shuukan Shounen Champion.

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choice in how violence is depicted, or moral themes presented in the story.

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Having a festival about sexuality, isn't objectifying a person (let along someone underage)

Yes, it is. Having a festival surrounding a GIGANTIC 8 FOOT LONG PENIS is representative of the 50% of the population, wouldn't you say?

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it's celebrating the human body ie kinda like a the Statue of David kinda thing

No, it's not. The statue of David was built upon a Greek style of philosophy to aspire towards having a majestic body for the purpose of giving honor to the Gods. The Japanese phallus festivals are about bountiful crops and fertility.

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This might seem like an unfair standard to some but the West has this standard with plenty of people to hold them (creators of stories) accountable.

In other words, you're being judgmental, prejudice, and racist against an entire country with a different set of ideals, values, and culture than you're own. And, you're demanding that they change because of this. Not very "tolerant" of you, is it?

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however if they are just butthurt about not being able to sexually objectify characters just willy nilly

And, while you're saying this, series like Ishuzoku Reviewers and Parallel Paradise receive universal popularity, praise, and demand almost everywhere.

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Oh dear where to start

>But, Northern Africans and most Middle Easterners are of a lighter skin-tone. At the very most, even to this day, they would be considered to be "tan" when it comes to their complexion.

Okay so let me offer clarity to this topic. Most of the settings that mangas use for Africa (Egypt) or the Middle East....was thousands of years ago judging by the choice of attire given to the character. Yugioh at least had the correct courtesy of showing their character with darker skin to fit the setting they were at (ancient egypt). I will let this topic rest since I have said my peace.


>You can achieve either of these by having a story centered around entirely one-note characters or characters with actual depth.

Entertainment is a very broad word that can include other medium by which there isn't a story telling element. When a medium has a story telling element, audience prefer to have the plot, themes, and/or characters be meaningful. Which even the word meaningful is subjective. However modern audience would prefer a degree of depth rather than 1D characters. It's not a matter of saying that all forms of art has to be "deep", but it is enjoyable when there is depth to discover. Consider mangas that have enough depth to allow for "theory" discussions.


>What the Hell is wrong with characters being "objectified"?

Issue isn't what is wrong or right to *sexually objectify. The question is "why" that choice for that character especially if that character in the story is under aged. Many comics are targeted to young audiences, so certain content choices from the author especially ones that are controversial should be questioned (not the same as saying removed). If the character is say from a society where they are hunters (which may have it's own problems) and live in very hot climate, then yeah the female character (regardless of age) might wear less clothing than a modern person. Like I said, it's good to contextualize certain choices in a story. I think where our points differ is that I am considering comics that target young audience whereas you see this as a point against general (all ages) comics.



Most of the comics you mentioned in this post, are for adults. None of which I have read so I can't offer any insightful commentary. However my own comments are in regards to comics that (notice I mentioned MHA) target a younger audience. Granted none of what I said is thrown out because the comic in question is for adults, but my main points are especially about comics that target a younger audience.


Lastly, I would be very careful throwing out the word "racist" so casually over something that has nothing to do with the japanese culture but moreso with the choices that many authors (who happen to be japanese) made. Many japanese authors don't rely on ecchi fanservice to make (or advertise) their story and don't use culturally inaccurate depictions for foreign characters. My critics apply to korean as well as chinese authors, but the discussion pertains to a japanese author. Don't get me wrong, my critiques are just that, critiques. It doesn't mean that the stories themselves aren't good or meaningful as a whole.

In fact it's not really the author's fault but rather the publishing company wanting to localize that comic to an audience that they (the publishing company) know has sensitivities. Audiences are entitled to not liking something, authors are free to express themselves in their story. Both groups have to be open to what is being expressed.


...with that have a good day

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I will let this topic rest since I have said my peace.

Your "piece" is to rewrite history to place people and cultures in regions where they did not exist. "Black" and "brown" people did not rule Egypt, aside for the brief dynasty where the Nubians ruled the Upper Kingdom. And, if you want to look up civilizations they did build, then see about educating yourself about empires like Great Zimbabwe.


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However modern audience would prefer a degree of depth rather than 1D characters.

Why, yes, I can see how people are seeking the answers and meaning to life in Pokemon, Hello Kitty, and Winnie the Pooh.

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The question is "why" that choice for that character especially if that character in the story is under aged.

Because, the moment you hit puberty (For both guys and girls, and can be as early as 8 to as late as 16), you become a mindless horny sex machine that has to assert your dominance. At least, that was the explanation in my high school sex ed class.

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Many comics are targeted to young audiences

WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?!? If I wanted to write a comic about a highly sexual or violent topic (Because I can with little reason), I'm not going to give one single damn about some over-bearing helicopter parent fearing the possibility that Little Timmy seeing a nipple flash is going to instantly turn him into a murdering rapist. In addition to that, why not leave it up to the parent(s) to decide what content their child is allowed to consume, and leave everyone else alone?

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I think where our points differ is that I am considering comics that target young audience whereas you see this as a point against general (all ages) comics.

What's the difference?


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Lastly, I would be very careful throwing out the word "racist" so casually over something that has nothing to do with the japanese culture but moreso with the choices that many authors (who happen to be japanese) made.

In other words, you have nothing meaningful to say by going "My post isn't 'racist' because it has nothing to do with the Japanese, but my complaints are all directed towards the Japanese."

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In fact it's not really the author's fault but rather the publishing company wanting to localize that comic to an audience that they (the publishing company) know has sensitivities. Audiences are entitled to not liking something, authors are free to express themselves in their story.

What about the case of Ishuzoku Reviewers, an anime that was released in the West, that had an explosion in popularity, that even had a market of customers completely willing to pay money in order to watch it, only for the licensing company to pull all availability of the series and proceed to sit on the license and completely prevent any legal distribution of the entire franchise outside of importing straight from Japan?

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What about the case of Ishuzoku Reviewers, an anime that was released in the West, that had an explosion in popularity, that even had a market of customers completely willing to pay money in order to watch it, only for the licensing company to pull all availability of the series and proceed to sit on the license and completely prevent any legal distribution of the entire franchise outside of importing straight from Japan?

Dude, what are you talking about?

The Interspecies Reviewers anime is getting a Blu-ray release in December.

And the manga, which had two volumes released in North America before the first episode of the anime aired, is still getting new releases, Anthology volumes included.

The light novel is also still getting released as well.

I ask again for good measure, what are you talking about?

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