Ive noticed on youtube there are a lot of people who have no connection to fansub groups putting up fansubs of popular anime like naruto or bleach on youtube. Considering that putting fansubs on youtube can lead to problems for the people who are subbing it. Should fansub groups try to take some action in preventing this from happening? and does anyone have some ideas on how to prevent this from happening.

If the fansubbers wanted to take action, I think they already would have. Or if they said to their fans and some fans didn't listen to what they ask, there probably isn't a real solution. If they flag the video, it might end up showing that lots of piracy happens between anime from fansubs groups (but fansub groups do not charge money, unless donations are considered the same despite not charging per a person). Even AMVs got pulled or ADV sent a cease order and the AMVs were either intentionally or unintentionally included. But not all AMVs that have been ADV licensed, probably.

And what do you mean by "prevent this from happening"? Do you mean prevent that the fansubbers being mad at people for posting anime episodes (and cutting off the anime source so it doesn't end up on YouTube), or that people post the episodes on YouTube and bring legal worries on fansubbers?

Last edited by Takiko at 5:10 pm, Jul 19 2007

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A few Months ago Dattebayo (Best Naruto Fansubbers ever) released a statement that they didn't want people screwing up their gig by posting on PooTube. They were promptly ignored by the masses if internutters and Naruto has been put on PooTube every week since then.
I don't support this practice of going against a group's wishes, and always yell at people at work for watching Naruto on You tuber. I think that is the only thing we can do.

I would say we have to do something about it, but I don't want people putting words in my mouth again and saying that I'm dangerous and whatnot.


Here it is:
http://www.dattebayo.com/pr/29

They say do this:
1. Log in to your YouTube account, and search for "Naruto Shippuuden" or "Bleach"
2. Click on any of the results that appear to be parts of Naruto / Bleach
3. Click "X Flag as Inappropriate" button below video
4. In the new box that comes up, select "Other Terms of Use violation"
5. Click "Flag This Video"


Last edited by vinceasuma at 5:06 pm, Jul 19 2007

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I mean people posting it on YouTube, since these post get high amounts of views on youtube, you will see the subs even if you are not looking for them, which can bring unwanted attention, like today under film and animation for today 7 of the top 20 viewed is a bleach fansub and then theres 1 naruto manga. There is also the legal issue about putting that on a site that makes money via ads, hence youtube would be making money off of peoples fansubs. The biggest problem imo about people doing this is it can harm the fansubbers.

Can't they just use a codec that can't be converted to .flv properly?

Ah, okay. Just clarifying since I couldn't see maybe which "side" (if you will) that you're on.

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lol big time on the non youtube side.
i dont want to see my fav fansub groups getting shut down because some kid wants to post there work on youtube.

Last edited by drunkdecoy at 6:04 pm, Jul 19 2007

What are you guys planning to do? I was thinking to only do what DB requested, which is to flag the videos for removal.

If there is anything else worth doing, we should ask DB in case it gets them in trouble. I'm sure that everyone can agree that jeopardizing DB is the last thing we want to do.

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yeah the reporting thing seems to be quite useful, some of the videos i mentioned that were being shown you cant watch now because of that.
The problem is the source, which is the youtube people posting it in the first place when i see it ill make sure to send a msg telling them that they should stop and why.
Its not much but its at least something i can do to prevent DB from getting into shit.

After looking around YouTube a little bit i noticed that the biggest problem is lack of knowledge from those who are posting it and those who are viewing. They think YouTube is the only one not wanting these fansubs on its site and tring to work around it, it doesnt seem they know that they can cause major problems for the fansub groups that make it. Lots of the comments show that the people watching them on youtube dont even know that they can get them from other sites. I think one thing fansub groups can do that could reduce the amount of fansubs on youtube is by putting a motto type thing in there videos like some do with the (this is a free fansub dont sell rent etc) but they need to add YouTube in there and make it more noticeable. If they knew that they could be causeing the fansub group being shut down then they might not post.

Part of the problem of reporting the videos being posted is that there are so many differnt people uploading them and even after they get reported and taken off they try to find ways around it or just repost them.


edit:edit: arghh there is sooo many differnt people tring to upload these to youtube, iam noticeing a lot of them being around the age of 15-20 as well. With these numbers i dont think just reporting them on youtube is going to cut it.

Last edited by drunkdecoy at 6:18 pm, Jul 19 2007

How about this for a solution:

Have all fansub groups who don't want their stuff YouTube release with non-permanent subtitles. (like you might find in MKVs or OGMs as opposed to AVIs which are almost always permanently on the video) In order to put the episodes on YouTube, people would have to reencode the subtitles onto the video, and that is twice the work... That is, if you even know how to do it; and I doubt many ignorant uploaders would know how.

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Good idea as long as fansub groups are willing to make the switch, and yeah i highly doubt those who are posting could reencode the subtitles, if they could they prolly would know better then to post them in the first place. The problem with that is having to get fansub groups to start going into mkv which a lot of them dont and some release both.

Well, of course there is that catch with people reposting the videos. These guys just have a lot time for the most part, because people get angry by having to do the same thing again, usually. The posters don't have anything to gain except maybe a bunch of people saying, "thank you" (not to point at scanslations and fansubbing though, as I know it's the same situation) and people subscribing to their videos. I thought after a number of reports/flaggings, a person loses their account.

Also, the reason why people watch anime on YouTube is because they won't use torrents because they are on a shared computer (lots of young people on YouTube, but really that shouldn't be a surprised with some real idiots being around. But I guess I'm picking on myself since I'd be considered "young"). And although anything can be removed from YouTube if they get a cease from someone real (not just flagging), people like having stuff that won't take up permanent space on their HD. Maybe that's why vinceasuma co-workers were watching the stuff from YouTube, since there's nothing to drag around, although one had to wait for the video to load since it's a streaming video. But I'm not justifying the videos there (although these people don't want to listen to the people that helped them view the anime because I'm sure even the video posters wouldn't last long with raw anime).

But although the fansubbers are on a gray line subbing copyrighted stuff, I'd prefer YouTube have their head rolls (they have the money from advertising and also the $2 billion that Google paid them, plus Google's money since they own them). Fansubbers don't even earn a cent even if they posted up the subbed videos themselves since YouTube users don't earn money except maybe if a person enters their video into their site contest.

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Sadly it seems just reporting wont work since there is to many of them but it does help, and telling them to stop since for the many reasons not to post on youtube doesnt seem to work either, since it seems they dont care if the fansub group gets in legal trouble or not. I think people dont care since they personaly wont get into trouble and they like the attention of having people watching the videos they upload.

I read somewhere that youtube deletes all the anime they can find every night. :S Personally, I hate the fact that people are watching episodes on youtube while I download(I dunno why, it just pisses me off). IMO, short clips are okay, just not whole episodes.

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Well youtube has to delete the anime they find since it is illegal to have it on there site they could get into legal troubles by having it there. Yeah i find it quite selfish that people dont just download it the normal way, with bleach and naruto and other popular anime you can download it in so many differnt ways there should be no excuse for people to need to use youtube.