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Post #452392
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1:19 pm, Mar 9 2011
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Well nothing happens much in this chapter.
The only thing i don't like is the cliche "friends hiding things to each to protect them blah blah". Though I'm curious why Tsukima target Ishida and Inoue

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I was almost excited when Orihime was stabbed...
Anyway, maybe he attacked them cus they're the weakest link? He must know that the other fullbringers are trying to give Ichigo his power back and probably knows how strong Ichigo was before so either he's going the "if I harm his friends he'll bring out his true potential" way or the "get rid of the trash surrounding him" way...
either way I'm pretty sure the big picture is he's after Ichigo.

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Always Orihime getting attacked or something. I got kinda excited when she was stabbed, too. I was hoping she'd just die, though laugh Always so helpless...
I have to say that this series should have ended after Aizen died. It's like they're trying to squeeze every cent out of it. It sucks when greed get's in the way of a series ending on a decent note. no
Hate to say it, but I'm finding it harder and harder to continue reading. I think Tite Kubo got brain damage shortly before starting this arc.

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Ooh, right through the titty! laugh

Kinda figured that Tsukishima dude knew Ginjo in some way...

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I'm fed up. =_= Why does it seem Orihime can never do anything? Her powers have a lot of potential, but everytime.... she just ends up useless. What's up with that? It's annoying. I was looking forward to see if she'd actually do anything, but no, she just got stabbed. And not technically even stabbed. >.>

And i just don't understand why after ALL they went through together, they would suddenly have these trust issues. It's all retarded.

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Always Orihime getting attacked or something. I got kinda excited when she was stabbed, too. I was hoping she'd just die, though laugh Always so helpless...


Uh, Aizen's not dead, he's in prison for the next 20,000 years+ which is probably a life sentence.You would know that if you read the manga... Still, jail time is stupid considering that they were going to kill Rukia for far less of a crime.

And give me a break. Only reason people want Orihime gone is because she has a crush on Ichigo. No place in shounen for romance or people are angry that it's a road block for Ichiruki crap.

Orihime isn't suppose to be a fighter, anyone who thinks that's her purpose is on crack. Why is she so annoying to people? It's because they just don't get her purpose. Her purpose is to serve as a source of good or the light within the group, the healer of not only physical wounds but hearts too.

And people are saying that Tsukishima is picking off weakest links first, if that were the case, Ishida would not have been chosen first - if he were really chosen at all. It would have been either Sado or Orihime, maybe even Karin since she's been visiting Urahara for unknown purposes. Truth is, Tsukishima is taking them out when they're vulnerable. He obviously hates the Kurosaki family and wants to make Ichigo suffer probably for something his dad did. If it were for any other reason, he'd be after his ex-allies instead. But, that's just my theory.

Next, Orihime got attacked yet it seems there is no damage. Either her power counters fullbring or he did something to her power or possibly cut something inside her like her soul or damaged the soul chain. Since it stopped at her heart, I'm guessing major damage to her power. If not, then there is no damage. If it turns out she's immune to fullbring powers, she'll be the strongest in the group.

If I were going to have a hissy fit about anything, I'd be complaining that the last arc was so full of plot holes that it looked like an abandoned back-road cow-path. What happened to Grimmjow? He was still alive after Noitorra attacked him. What happened to Nel? Did Ichigo's dad ever come clean about his past? Why is Aizen only in jail and not dead? Are there new Captains yet? Why didn't Byakuya and Kenpachi kill Yammi (Yammy)? Why did Aizen really hate himself, what was his mental damage?

I also thought that maybe there is a bigger plot that what we just seen with Aizen and it has to do with Ichigo's dad. So, I look at the current arc as a whole different series within a series. Complaints need to be put to the side for a few weeks and see what's really going on.

So, haters, if you really don't like the story, just don't read it. People really don't like character bashing or bashing the writer. Impatience is not a virtue.





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I'm not bashing Orihime at all. I quite like her. But I don't like how Kubo makes her so... 'weak'. I understand she's not supposed to be the fighter or the one with all the power in the group. But when it comes down to it, she should at least be able to defend herself. Now, it always seems like Orihime is the one in danger. Orihime is the weakest and the one everyone should be worried about. And... that is what I find annoying. Not really her character, just the role of truly being helpless that she's starting or already has taken on.

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funny. that tsukishima guy looks just like aizen. and that fullbring ability, it could be something like hypnotism, you know just like aizen.

also I'm wondering why they didn't just imprisoned Aizen for eternity. with hougyoku and all, Aizen being given the death sentence would be probably be very hard, and in that 20 years he could probably survive it, he's immortal

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Always Orihime getting attacked or something. I got kinda excited when she was stabbed, too. I was hoping she'd just die, though laugh Always so helpless...


Uh, Aizen's not dead, he's in prison for the next 20,000 years+ which is probably a life sentence.You would know that if you read the manga... Still, jail time is stupid considering that they were going to kill Rukia for far less of a crime.

And give me a break. Only reason people want Orihime gone is because she has a crush on Ichigo. No place in shounen for romance or people are angry that it's a road block for Ichiruki crap.

Orihime isn't suppose to be a fighter, anyone who thinks that's her purpose is on crack. Why is she so annoying to people? It's because they just don't get her purpose. Her purpose is to serve as a source of good or the light within the group, the healer of not only physical wounds but hearts too.

And people are saying that Tsukishima is picking off weakest links first, if that were the case, Ishida would not have been chosen first - if he were really chosen at all. It would have been either Sado or Orihime, maybe even Karin since she's been visiting Urahara for unknown purposes. Truth is, Tsukishima is taking them out when they're vulnerable. He obviously hates the Kurosaki family and wants to make Ichigo suffer probably for something his dad did. If it were for any other reason, he'd be after his ex-allies instead. But, that's just my theory.

Next, Orihime got attacked yet it seems there is no damage. Either her power counters fullbring or he did something to her power or possibly cut something inside her like her soul or damaged the soul chain. Since it stopped at her heart, I'm guessing major damage to her power. If not, then there is no damage. If it turns out she's immune to fullbring powers, she'll be the strongest in the group.

If I were going to have a hissy fit about anything, I'd be complaining that the last arc was so full of plot holes that it looked like an abandoned back-road cow-path. What happened to Grimmjow? He was still alive after Noitorra attacked him. What happened to Nel? Did Ichigo's dad ever come clean about his past? Why is Aizen only in jail and not dead? Are there new Captains yet? Why didn't Byakuya and Kenpachi kill Yammi (Yammy)? Why did Aizen really hate himself, what was his mental damage?

I also thought that maybe there is a bigger plot that what we just seen with Aizen and it has to do with Ichigo's dad. So, I look at the current arc as a whole different series within a series. Complaints need to be put to the side for a few weeks and see what's really going on.

So, haters, if you really don't like the story, just don't read it. People really don't like character bashing or bashing the writer. Impatience is not a virtue.





lots of flaw in what u say...Yammy might be dead for all we know, i know we saw him lying there but its unknown if he survived or not, from Ichigos perspective he said he felt sadness from Aizens sword or something in that way prolly because Aizen had no equal in terms of skills and intelligence, and Aizen is immortal as said in while he was being courted if u read it well enough, no new captain has shown up but most likely there will be some, Ichigos dad never came clean - still as shady as ever, and we dont know if he hates the Kurosaki family thats just speculations, it prolly has something to do with the fact that Ginjou can give Ichigo his power to remove theirs or some other motive that has yet to show, btw your way off on the Orihime hate....shes just plain annoying as a character.
My theory differs from yours i think Orihime will be enemy soon, shes acting weird after being cut
even stating he was her friend and thought after that why did she think of him as a friend and even going as far as thinking what she was cut by (page 12-14). So there is a possibility she was cut by something that changed her view on who are friends and enemy maybe, quite hard defining the power as this might only be one part of it, can even go as far as being the power of reverting certain things. And even if your idea of what might happen is right Orihime still isnt the strongest because of her mentality.

These answers make me question, did u really read Bleach or just skim over it really?

Post #452597 - Reply to (#452591) by Kaitentsuki
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lots of flaw in what u say...Yammy might be dead for all we know, i know we saw him lying there but its unknown if he survived or not, from Ichigos perspective he said he felt sadness from Aizens sword or something in that way prolly because Aizen had no equal in terms of skills and
intelligence, and Aizen is immortal as said in while he was being courted if u read it well enough, no new captain has shown up but most likely there will be some, Ichigos dad never came clean - still as shady as ever, and we dont know if he hates the Kurosaki family thats just speculations, it prolly has something to do with the fact that Ginjou can give Ichigo his power to remove theirs or some other motive that has yet to show, btw your way off on the Orihime hate....shes just plain annoying as a character.
My theory differs from yours i think Orihime will be enemy soon, shes acting weird after being cut
even stating he was her friend and thought after that why did she think of him as a friend and even going as far as thinking what she was cut by (page 12-14). So there is a possibility she was cut by something that changed her view on who are friends and enemy maybe, quite hard defining the power as this might only be one part of it, can even go as far as being the power of reverting certain things. And even if your idea of what might happen is right Orihime still isnt the strongest because of her mentality.

These answers make me question, did u really read Bleach or just skim over it really?


I have a sneaking suspicion that through words like "most likely" your just going along with what shinobimystress was saying. There are no definite answers for so much of what happened in the last arc is just vacant all thats left after actually reading these chapters is more holes. I feel that this new arc will God willing cover at least some of these holes because we all know where this battle is going...cough...cough...Sereitei...Soul King... I too confess that Orihime is annoying as hell in terms functionality, but she serves her purpose as any character in a Shounen manga would, protecting friends and what not. I do realize that she is not a fighter, when someone who is grossly overpowered and if you check she hasn't been in any major fights no duh shes going to be overwhelmed especially by someone Ichigo will struggle with beating. I think its fairly clear why she can't do anything in all of these situations. Look for her humor, it has really brightened this new arc.

I think shes going to turn bad for a while too which will be horribly expected so I hope its nothing like that or losing powers.

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ok your right might is a more suitable word o_O

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OK guys lets not bash too much about the manga or each other.

I highly recommend people watch the anime for the Fake karakura Town arc. It actually goes into a lot more detail about certain aspects that were poorly explained or just completely non existant in the manga. Examples are,

A detailed back story on Hallibel and her followers, her life as just a Vasto Lorde and when she met Aizen.

Kisuke vs Aizen - in particular when Kisuke fires the hado 91 which was also the sealing kido, the way it's shown in the anime and the dialogue following that makes a bit more sense, instead of the random asspull in the manga.

Gin vs Aizen - when Aizen turns into a butterfly and then attacks Gin claiming that the 'hogykou is mine' He then explains that he tried developing his own hogykou by using the souls of the residents of the soul society, inreference to the Gin flashback when he sees Aizen and 3 guys playing with spirit balls and also a young Rangiku lying on the ground. He then says that when he stole Kisuke's hogykou he combined his incomplete one with Kisuke's. Then after combining/subjugating the hogykou it became his meaning that even if it was separated from him he could still use it's power to heal/transform etc.

Ichigo talking about Aizen once he had been sealed - no obvious explanation other than the hogykou did not actually reject Aizen, but Aizen himslef gave up his powers, as all his life he had been searching for someone on the same level as himself and because he never found anyone his deepest desire was to be a normal shinigami, hence why he lost all his powers.

[SPECULATION] During Aizen's final moments he yelled to Kisuke 'why would you subjugate yourself to the soul king' and Kisuke replied that the soul king is the cornerstone, if he's gone the whole world falls apart. I'm guessing Aizen had been searching for someone who thought like him, independant of any superior power. [FURTHER SPECULATION] Ichigo has shown not to take notice of any laws so perhaps that was why Aizen was so interested in him in the first place?

As for whether Isshin came clean or not [SPECULATION] my guess is Ichigo never bothered to ask him about his past. After losing all his shinigami powers, and losing touch with anything spiritual he most likely didn't see the point in chasing up these points, either due to depression or because he just wanted to live a normal life free from spirits etc.

Now for Orihim, you know I was just impressed that she at least attempted to attack the guy. The panel where she releases Santen-Kesshun looked pretty cool. And frankly the outcome was to be expected, this guy tore off Uryu's arm in no time flat.

My only complaint is that everyone's trying to cover up to prevent Ichgio from getting involved. While I do understand why they are doing it, it just feels wierd. So I was really glad that Ichigo just thought 'fuck it no ones telling me anything so I'm gonna find out for myself''

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You shouldn't rely truly on the anime for 'extra' information unless the mangaka says so. In most cases, the anime is not considered canon.

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Post #452698 - Reply to (#452692) by kirabook
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You shouldn't rely truly on the anime for 'extra' information unless the mangaka says so. In most cases, the anime is not considered canon.


True, it's not usually. However the points that I brought up I feel are significant to the canon, they expand on what was in the original and filled in some huge gaps. I don't think you could pass them off as just 'filler' material, it's whether the animators added it by themselves because they wanted to make some sense of Kubo's work or whether Kubo himself realised that there were gaping holes in what he had done and contacted the animators to add in the extra stuff.

I'm not trying to justify Bleach or anything, I'm still quite annoyed at how Kubo has handled the characters, either completely forgetting about them or making them absolutely useless. But some of the mysteries of Bleach are slowly coming out into the open. Very slowly though.


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