It's fairly well-known in psychology (from what I read in textbooks at least), that men are more confrontational when they have a problem with a member of the same sex, while women tend to be more sneaky. So while your individual case may differ, it is true for on a larger scale, more or less. Also, I was going to mention childbirth, but I figured that was a choice while the others were not. However, yes, labor pains would be difficult for anyone to go through.

lol...if those are considered my friends, I wouldn't need enemies x'D, but yes, I suppose I would agree with you that females tend to settle things with words rather than fists. Though I'm not sure if it's considered a psychology or for social reasons that women tend to be "sneaky". I mean, boys are taught to be "tough and manly" while girls are mostly meant to be "delicate and quiet" (I'm really generalizing here). At a young age, both genders are taught what to like and how to behave. Boys are to go for toys like monster trucks and action figures. Girls are to wear tutus and play with barbie dolls. Men are taught to be more physically, to exert their dominance while women are taught to be subtle and bend the rules to get what they want. So is it no wonder that men are more confrontational when it comes to disagreement and women be sneaky about it? I mean...when a woman gets in your face, starts screaming, most people dismiss her as a "crazy bitch" of no consequence, but isn't that just a woman acting aggressively? Though, I suppose if a man was to act like that, a restraining order would've been issued >____>

I think times have changed that a woman wouldn't have to have a child anymore, but I think it's still a touchy subject, especially in countries where women have low-standing. Having a child, or the inability to, determines a woman's worth still in some places. Often, if a woman says she doesn't want to have a child or don't want to, people would look at her like she's crazy or a bitch. If a mother doesn't want custody of her child in cases of a divorce, she's considered heartless. It's considered a social norm that a woman wants to be a mother, though clearly not all women wants children. So yes, having children is a choice, but is it really? I think both males and females are pressured into having a family since it seems like the next logical step after marriage, but a lot of people nowadays don't want to.

Damn it, I said I wasn't trying to preach feminism. I'm really not, but social discussion interest me. Please don't anyone get offended by my comments. These are just my opinions I'm spewing.

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I would say Girl turning into a Guy considering the rampant misandry in the western/westernized world, the lack of reproductive rights or proper male birth control pill, irreparable damage to a man reputation from false accusations and higher chance of committing suicide (and the anarchic barbaric form of traditionalism / power-based closet male rape in other non-western/westernized parts of the world if effeminate / powerless), though at the same time a Girl-Guy would be able to benefit from enjoying life through living on less unlike regular Girls / Guy-Girls and if fully a "Guy" despite "his" origins would gain the ability to be truly independent and sovereign similar to men going their own way or the Japanese (possibly East Asian) herbivore men.

Guy-Girls, despite possessing the known disadvantages women have in reality are pretty much the favored sex in all cultures by virtue of being able to give birth regardless of whether the hypergamous unscrupulous side of a woman’s nature is kept in check or not by a country’s culture and even the cultures that do not openly favor women still do so from a basic supply and demand level every time a female is aborted, honor killed, becomes a fourth wife, sixth concubine / slave or eighth booty call in a western/westernized soft harem, which in turn further increases the value of women while making men more disposable as seen in countries / cultures where men are increasingly outnumbering women (China, India, islam-dominated world, etc).

Guy-Girls and girls in general not only have the upper hand with the countless numbers of female birth control available, full reproductive rights, being favored both socially and legally in all interactions with men as well as unchecked female privilege (particularly in the western/westernized world), but as noted by social anthropologist Robert Briffault in Briffault’s Law (both in human and animal contexts) – “The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Briffault)

Would Guy-Girls have a hard time after satisfying their initial curiosity? Sure, though they would also adapt to their new circumstances very quickly compared to Girl-Guys.


My question on the Manga Poll would be whether both Guy-Girls and Girl-Guys retain the same level of physical attractiveness in their newer bodies or somehow become more physically attractive as usually depicted in Gender Bender manga?

Fwiw the following articles (and wiki profile) is about a woman who spent 18 months disguised as a man and since her experiment, has never felt gladder to have been born a female.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/mar/18/gender.bookextr acts

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/item_cuzge9YexnWFgQ86Fz9E QK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norah_Vincent





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I'm left speechless with all the things I'm offended with...I'm like, men are considered disposable when women are honor-killed and female fetuses aborted left and right Whaaaat? I do think the reason the
male-to-female ratio is higher in those countries and females becoming a "commodity" while men "disposable" comes from the fact that women are killed there @__@.

I am trying very hard to see things from your point of view, and in fact I do agree that females do have certain privileges simply for being able to give birth (like almost automatic custody of the child), but the first two paragraphs threw me for a loop. I...I don't even know where to begin...

Whatever. I'll just say that each gender has their fair share of challenges so I guess it depends on what you consider your priorities that being a male or female is considered easier or harder.

At least for me, I wouldn't be able to handle Girl-Guy since I'd have no attraction to females and thus be a homosexual. With the way society treats same-sex couples, it'd be hard regardless.

However disagreeable it is to you, I’m simply looking at things from a purely rational point of view outside of a western prism.

Think of the cumulative effects caused over the decades / centuries by non-western/westernized cultures where boys are preferred to girls (without considering the long term consequences of such notions paired with modern technology) as well as women killed from birth via gender based abortion (whether prenatal or postnatal) or being honor killed with the surviving women ending up being made one of many wives / mistresses of men with power.

In such a scenario there would be an increasing number of men who will never be able to get married (with the surviving unmarried women becoming very valuable and snapped out quickly by higher status men), such a population stripped of purpose is likely to become restless which means governments have to find ways of dealing with the increasing number of unmarried men.

In the past (and in some cases even today as well as in the future) through means such as triumphalist systems / creeds and nationalism, such men were made into disposable tools of war sent into battle against other countries where they would either be culled (believing they would be sent to the heavenly whorehouse in the sky to live forever) or if successful acquire wealth and booty from other nations / peoples.

Some men looking to escape their circumstances would expat to other countries, others (at least today) would become fathers via surrogacy, while a few would seek to depose the government or overturn society so they themselves could derive benefit from being the top dogs until the next lot of unmarried men deposes them down the line thus continuing the unstable cycle of violence and revolution.


There would be positives and negatives for Guy-Girls and Girl-Guys, however the latter would have it very rough from a social/legal point of view especially in the western/westernized world and would like in the case of Norah Vincent quickly realise that Male Privilege despite its infamous reputation actually sucks for men.






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I'm a guy turning into a girl sooooo I had to pick number 2, if only because I don't get along with guys very well, so it tends to make me sad, but I can understand why they would do so.

Are you seriously arguing that the fate of the precious women who are held like domesticated animals in your fantasy is somehow better than those of the disposable men who at least have their human rights intact? Not to mention that it is hypocrisy to say that males in general are becoming disposable when the ones least disposable in society are actually the males of the elite.

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Being a believer of true equality I am not arguing for how things currently are in other parts of the world, just stating how things have always been throughout human history since at the end of the day one can only accommodate the reality of human nature rather then simply deny it exists.

And no, disposable men throughout history never had human rights even in todays world let alone the social/legal protections that women receive, not in the misandric west/westernized world nor outside of the west/westernized world.

Even in WW1 the average man (aka most lower class men) like women did not even have the right to vote and in the UK were even given white feathers by women in order to shame them into dying in the trenches ("Man up" and die for your country / religion / ideology / etc).

Do you honestly believe that higher-status elite men give a damn about other men and believe it is not in their interest to handicap other men, especially when they themselves benefit the most from how things are at the expense of other men?


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If you talk about the past, then the world was throughout history almost exclusively ruled by men. And yes it's just as you said, these men set up policies that benefitted them (and only them) the most. Which means that both men and women of the lower classes had to suffer from these policies. Yet you completely ignore the treatment the women had to cope with. The real issue here is not misandry, but the constant, indiscriminate abuse of power by the ruling class that is paving it's way like a red line through history. If you really want to change that men have to die like pawns in some random wars then better fight against oligarchy and capitalism instead of blaming their misfortune on the women.

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I'm really disappointed that there is no "I would not have a problem with either" option. Please do not assume that everyone has the same prejudices as you.

That's not what the poll is about. It's asking who you think would have a tougher time adjusting; a guy who was turned into a girl or a girl who was turned into a guy. It's not about being prejudiced.

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Exactly. Some people can't read >_>

I think it would be a guy turning into a girl (as in the anime magical transformation type). As a guy seeing the things women have to go through on a daily basis (make-up and the like, generally all the little things they go through). All the girls I know get up an hour or too earlier for something then I do to get read. Hell I just wake up, do all the things I have to do in the washroom and leave for something like class in like half an hour, my brother's girlfriend takes two hours to go out.

That is not to mention the monthly going-ons and such. Also all the society stuff they have to deal with.

A girl going to guy is free of all this and really just has to learn how to pee standing up. That's another thing I guy going to a girl would lose that perk.

Let's not forget most men are pervs and in an anime gender switch type of situation (not the kind we have in reality)...I'll let you all fill in the rest.

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Really, what a silly question! "Gender" as a whole does not matter in such a case as this - it depends on the individual. If a transgender/transsexual individual were intending to get a sex change operation and suddenly became their desired biological sex by magic, I think that person would be quite happy with the way things turned out. On the other hand, a very traditional "masculine" man would have an extremely difficult time dealing with the fact that he's suddenly become a woman. Everyone is different and has different levels of adaptability and tolerance, so we can't really generalize which group it would be harder for.

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@xblkdragonx Yes, I would say having children is a choice, at least in first world countries. Which is why a lot of the industrialized countries have a declining birthrate.

@Juuza You talk about how men are becoming disposable in China, India and Islamic countries but fail to note that women have a lot less rights there. In India, rape is a significant issue and not even the police care to do much about it and in Islamic countries, women have little rights and their entire life are dictated by their fathers.

Something that I've noticed is that both of you are talking as if a gender change will lead to a sexual preference change as well. Here's the thing: Most people would most likely retain their sexual preference due to their past experiences, and since the average person is heterosexual, they would most likely become homosexual after the gender change (the whole "I'm a man/woman living a woman's/man's body" deal being literal here). This is why I consider relationships to be a non-factor for the average person since homosexual relationships will be difficult for both sex.