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8:46 am, May 4 2008
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What do you know, I turn on my computer after doing some work, and see that Claymore 79 is translated. I happily download it, and read the chapter, after reading it, I was shocked, such a huge turn of story suddenly, since claymore is monthly released, we should at least be able to kill some time before the next month release.

What do you think of this sudden development, how do you think the story will develop?

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About the translation by Franky House.
From what I see either this translator's "blind" other nick is "derelict88" or he's a pathetic plagiarist (or derelict88 forgot to mention it wasn't his translation). Check out derelict's translation, they're the same (with some minor changes but I can't believe that translation of translation is the same as translation of the original).
Anyway it looks like it's not japanese -> english translation, but japanese -> chinese -> english translation, and a rip-off too :/.
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I was wrong and it was blind who translated this. Sorry for my incompetence.

About the chapter: (all of this was written after I've read derelict's translation of chinese scans).
Now it all makes sense why the org was so "reckless". It was the whole point to conduct experiments even if they seemed crazy. Chiba, as always You were right, MiB are mad scientists, whose playground is whole continent, and people are laboratory rats.
Sending powerful rookie to kill Teresa was a calculated risk, even if she didn't succeed they could always send someone else. They had nothing to lose (or so they thought) but could gain obedient warrior with fighting experience, disposing of problematic one at the same time. Teresa would be an excellent instructor. After all if they wanted Rambo, they needed to train rookies in real battle with tougher opponents than average AB. Maybe Priscilla's final test in becoming a perfect tool of war was to see if she could resist awakening in tough situation and defeat a foe far stronger than any AB. Or maybe they suspected Teresa wasn't as strong as they thought and wanted to confirm that. Probably they have written down specification of each hybridization to the slightest detail so they could repeat it once they discovered a worthy subject.
Now that we know they have backup it's not that strange that they easily rebuilt organization after it was almost wiped out by Luciella. It also makes more sense why there are only 47 claymores, why they even bother with rankings and why they continued soul-link experiment.

One thing that bothers me in this chapter is Miria's reasoning. Her hypothesis is based on mere circumstantial evidences. So what that there's another continent? That doesn't mean it was invaded by scientists with superior knowledge. So what that she couldn't find minerals from which swords were made of? Unless she searched every square meter of the whole "world" she's only jumping to conclusions. It's obvious that MiB wouldn't allow others to know which minerals are used as material for claymores. Also she could have seen these minerals, but that doesn't mean she would know that after processing it's used for her sword. Why did she hide this fact until now? Why did she enlightened noobs? How come MiB allowed her to access the archives, although no one managed that before and lived to speak about it? MiB suspected sth about Miria, sent her on dangerous missions and yet they didn't kill her. If they are experimenting on humans, killing someone who could mess with their studies and compromise their mission shouldn't bother them and would be a logical course of action. Either they were so full of themselves that they didn't consider her as a threat or they were just stupid enough to not notice someone was sniffing around.
So I wouldn't be surprised if what Miria said was a lie. Some parts of her story are definitely true but for now I don't believe in all of this.

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How come MiB allowed her to access the archives, although no one managed that before and lived to speak about it? MiB suspected sth about Miria, sent her on dangerous missions and yet they didn't kill her. If they are experimenting on humans, killing someone who could mess with their studies and compromise their mission shouldn't bother them and would be a logical course of action. Either they were so full of themselves that they didn't consider her as a threat or they were just stupid enough to not notice someone was sniffing around.
So I wouldn't be surprised if what Miria said was a lie. Some parts of her story are definitely true but for now I don't believe in all of this.


She probably didn't obtain permission to access the archives, and the organization, who are trying to make a new stronger weapon/warrior, most likely figured she would be too strong for them to kill outright, or it might have led to too much trouble to kill her because if she died in the line of duty there wouldn't be anyway for them to tie it back to the org trying to kill one of it's members, whereas it might lead to suspicion if she suddenly died.

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It's good to know that there's a greater place outside the land where the story of Claymore take place. Now Claymore got more room for newer contents and ideas in future chapters, introducing new characters etc. etc.. But it feels alittle far-fetch to me, especially the deduction by Miria, alittle too fast and it seems that everyone believes her immediately. Maybe there should be some extra chapters which can explain more about Miria's theory of an "another world", maybe via the viewpoint of others, e.g. the Organization, new character etc.. But again people who like action only won't like such chapters about talking and theories etc.., but it would make the story flow better.


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I'd always suspected that yoma were produced by the organization, ever since Teresa showed up in the manga and "threatened" that village elder. And I also knew that the organization has been experimenting with producing claymores...

But the rest of what Miria said seems pretty far-fetched, given how little evidence she has to go on.

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True, its a little far fetched, but who cares, it's not like she's Sherlock Holmes. At least they now have a reason to destroy the organization without contradicting their beliefs to protect humans, although is like closing one story gap with another.
Anyway it must be a shock for those claymores that there's a world beside their own, the scale of the place in which this manga takes place is suddenly multiplied.........


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Wow, interesting chappie~

My predictions are that Miria will die. I just have the feeling that it will. And also after they've beaten the Organization or made some kind of deal with them, they'll fight against those dragon-opponents too.

I bet Teresa knew all this! >_<

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12:50 am, May 5 2008
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Was about time that more information of the Organisation and the Yuma comes to the surface. I'm excited how Yagi will take the story to a larger scale, looks like Yagi is planing on making a lot more volumes of Claymore, great biggrin

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I don't care. I just want to know about Raki. Hurry up Yagi! I know you are taking your time n I always look forward to Claymore's next chapter but this is killing me!

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I don't care. I just want to know about Raki. Hurry up Yagi! I know you are taking your time n I always look forward to Claymore's next chapter but this is killing me!

I agree. It had been seven years god damn it. It's time for the Raki comeback already...
Too bad the series is going at an incredible slow pace. Now when the world is just a measly island he's got room for an unlimited amount of content in the future. More potential content + slow pace = tortured claymore addict.
At least he is taking his time and doing quality stuff. But he should still hire 10 assistants or something. eyes

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Miria's analysis is as awesome as usual, i don't see any flaw in her reasoning. She would not die until the very end, the group would fall apart if she dies and i don't see that coming.

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Miria's analysis is as awesome as usual, i don't see any flaw in her reasoning. She would not die until the very end, the group would fall apart if she dies and i don't see that coming.


I have no doubt that the organization has been experimenting when they produce claymores (the warriors). And I suppose it's reasonable to assume the existence of another continent because the materials for the claymores (the swords) can't be found on their continent. It's only a suspicion that the organization are the ones producing yoma. Everything else has no evidence.

Miria says that the materials from the claymores (the swords) prove that the organization has been creating the yoma. All that it proved was the existence of another continent. How does she reason there's a war going on for over 100 years there?

I don't think she got it from sneaking into the archives. She said that "the most suspicious thing" she found out from the archive was the hidden village. I would say a whole other continent with a war going on is more suspicious. I don't think she had the time to find and explore that other continent either.

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Yeah... Miria says most of its speculation, but I really wish the mangaka would have just had her explain that she had been investigating it (And actually speaking to people on the coast who might have heard of ships returning with news or something.) Really, in seven years you'd figure she'd have more than speculation, and I -think- that's the case. I believe she's just jumping to conclusions more so because of the previous deceptions the organization has undergone.

This poses the question though, are they utilizing Claymores as soldiers? Or trying to use the Awakened Beings as soldiers? I'm confused on that part, since the Awakened Beings are clearly (at this point) uncontrollable. Unless they're merely a method of training the Claymores to be better soldiers. But if they are using Awakened Beings as soldiers, then why stop using men as Claymores? Though I'm guessing that the remaining 'Big Two' know of all this (at least I believe Isley does, as well as any other original Claymores. I can't imagine the organization was founded with -noone- knowing its basis, and also... Perhaps the first 'test subjects' were people from the 'main' continent.)

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Well, I think Miria's saying that the organization is trying to use awakened beings as soldiers. And the reason that they don't use men as Claymores would be because men are more likely to awaken. If they are still experimenting and haven't found a way to control awakened beings yet, then it makes no sense for them to increase the number of awakened beings (by making male Claymores).

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I actually didn't like this turn of events all that much. This is turning out to be heading in a stereotypical direction where they're simply going to move on from this land after defeating the enemy that isn't the final boss, but rather the forces of good trying to win against the greater evil.

Although all this talk of another continent is interesting and all, but I do agree to just move on to Raki already. There's plenty left to do without going after the organization and the other nations, this really felt kind of off to be mentioned now.

All of it just felt out of place for me, kind of like it's just wasting time with some background story of the series. Cool to know, but a bit too early for me to think of this is good knowledge.

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