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Post #175443
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8:20 pm, Jul 3 2008
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Ichigo works for soul society and goes to high school, naruto does missions for his village, Luffy is his own man not bound by any set of rules but his dream. his story is so ambiguous that he can decide to take over the world if he wanted cuz its so open ended.

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Nuff' said, most of my point would be similar with D.God so i won't repeat it and thanx 4 D.God with his xplanation. I just wanna add that in One Piece, anything can happen, after all, it is a fantasy type of manga so my advise is, throw all your common sense out of the window in order to fully enjoy One Piece. So, things like no character dies or how they are able to move freely after a serious injury pfft... come on man, we are not on earth anymore we are in One Piece world.

As for Bleach and Naruto, they're are a great read as well, i love the both of them, each have thier own unique trait like swords fighting and ninja arts, however, don't u think that such thing would also exist in One Piece, who knows, if maybe one day along the Grand Line there'll be a ninja village or something, we already have sword figting in Zoro. That just emphasize my main point, in One Piece, anything can happen, so that puts it in front of the other two as my fav. shonen manga . biggrin

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Post #175451 - Reply to (#175443) by dacbiet
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Ichigo works for soul society and goes to high school, naruto does missions for his village, Luffy is his own man not bound by any set of rules but his dream. his story is so ambiguous that he can decide to take over the world if he wanted cuz its so open ended.

Actually, that's what makes Naruto i would say by far more ambiguous, I mean, in One Piece once the character has achieved his/her/its dream it's not like they'll pop up with a new one out of nowhere, I mean it's not like there would be 2 "one piece"s or that suddenly out of nowhere Mihawk won't be the best swordsman just 2 seconds before he dies, but in Naruto there's no point that would make a final point, the story can just go on and on, and bleach... it's just bleach it doesn't even have a space-time continuum respecting school time, it's almost like a never ending machine

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Ichigo works for soul society and goes to high school, naruto does missions for his village, Luffy is his own man not bound by any set of rules but his dream. his story is so ambiguous that he can decide to take over the world if he wanted cuz its so open ended.

Actually, that's what makes Naruto i would say by far more ambiguous, I mean, in One Piece once the character has achieved his/her/its dream it's not like they'll pop up with a new one out of nowhere, I mean it's not like there would be 2 "one piece"s or that suddenly out of nowhere Mihawk won't be the best swordsman just 2 seconds before he dies, but in Naruto there's no point that would make a final point, the story can just go on and on, and bleach... it's just bleach it doesn't even have a space-time continuum respecting school time, it's almost like a never ending machine


If it just goes on endlessly , then it's lame..
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Post #175455 - Reply to (#175451) by Lagito
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Ichigo works for soul society and goes to high school, naruto does missions for his village, Luffy is his own man not bound by any set of rules but his dream. his story is so ambiguous that he can decide to take over the world if he wanted cuz its so open ended.

Actually, that's what makes Naruto i would say by far more ambiguous, I mean, in One Piece once the character has achieved his/her/its dream it's not like they'll pop up with a new one out of nowhere, I mean it's not like there would be 2 "one piece"s or that suddenly out of nowhere Mihawk won't be the best swordsman just 2 seconds before he dies, but in Naruto there's no point that would make a final point, the story can just go on and on, and bleach... it's just bleach it doesn't even have a space-time continuum respecting school time, it's almost like a never ending machine


yea...but is naruto not bounded by rules? konoha has its own hiearchy/tradition/obligations/etc. the fact that naruto cant even leave the village w/o escort is a fine example. Luffy isnt bound by anything its just him against the world.

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wait. so since when is having an ending a bad thing. I like One Piece because I know how its going to end,or atleast I've got some general idea of how. Damn, for me Bleach ended after they saved Rukia in soul society. If Bleach ended there, I would be calling one of the best manga of all time. Now it blows. That's one of the main problems of shonen series. As for Naruto, well I guess I like pirates more than ninjas. Who'd have guessed.

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Ichigo works for soul society and goes to high school, naruto does missions for his village, Luffy is his own man not bound by any set of rules but his dream. his story is so ambiguous that he can decide to take over the world if he wanted cuz its so open ended.

Actually, that's what makes Naruto i would say by far more ambiguous, I mean, in One Piece once the character has achieved his/her/its dream it's not like they'll pop up with a new one out of nowhere, I mean it's not like there would be 2 "one piece"s or that suddenly out of nowhere Mihawk won't be the best swordsman just 2 seconds before he dies, but in Naruto there's no point that would make a final point, the story can just go on and on, and bleach... it's just bleach it doesn't even have a space-time continuum respecting school time, it's almost like a never ending machine


I don't quite agree, while it's true that One Piece's characters have quite defined objectives, they are still far from accomplishing them. Naruto has indeed have a final point, and it may just be my opinion, but what is left after all the current arc? Sincerely I think that either Naruto become Hokage or either he dies protecting Konoha, I doubt there will be more arcs (at most probably one for closure with Kabuto). And the same goes for Bleach, make it become a school manga? Sorry, but makes no sense. Closure is closer for Bleach and Naruto than it's for One Piece.


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I don't quite agree, while it's true that One Piece's characters have quite defined objectives, they are still far from accomplishing them. Naruto has indeed have a final point, and it may just be my opinion, but what is left after all the current arc? Sincerely I think that either Naruto become Hokage or either he dies protecting Konoha, I doubt there will be more arcs (at most probably one for closure with Kabuto). And the same goes for Bleach, make it become a school manga? Sorry, but makes no sense. Closure is closer for Bleach and Naruto than it's for One Piece.


I think both have the possibility to continue. The fight between akatsuki and the village along with sasuke and that whole issue can provide a decent amount. Plus there is the issue of Kabuto and who knows what else. One thing about a shounen is a villain can always be behind the scenes pulling some strings. Same with Bleach, they haven't even scratched the surface on the King and the royal guard, so that could be a whole different thing after this whole arc is said and done.

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I think both have the possibility to continue. The fight between akatsuki and the village along with sasuke and that whole issue can provide a decent amount. Plus there is the issue of Kabuto and who knows what else. One thing about a shounen is a villain can always be behind the scenes pulling some strings. Same with Bleach, they haven't even scratched the surface on the King and the royal guard, so that could be a whole different thing after this whole arc is said and done.


Yeah, I didn't want to elaborate too much, still I give Bleach at most one more arc. I doubt it can go as a "neverending machine". The end for both is near, that is the feeling I get.

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The thing about the One Piece universe is, that it's such a huge universe, you could easily milk it a lot more. For example, when they mentioned that Kidd and Trafalgar (and the other captains) had all made similar journeys to Luffy and co., it seriously made me want to read about it, made me interested in their stories. That's a plus I don't see in Naruto and Bleach.

On a side note, I recently watched Kung Fu Panda, and the whole deal with the Dragon Scroll got me thinking...What if the One Piece is just a piece of paper, that says "Gol D. Roger was here" and then a drawn face with a big grin? Certainly sounds like One Piece to me...

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The thing about the One Piece universe is, that it's such a huge universe, you could easily milk it a lot more. For example, when they mentioned that Kidd and Trafalgar (and the other captains) had all made similar journeys to Luffy and co., it seriously made me want to read about it, made me interested in their stories. That's a plus I don't see in Naruto and Bleach.

couldn't agree more. I really wanted to know what exactly that Kidd did while on his journey that made him having higher bounty than Luffy. hopefully it'll be revealed some other time.

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On a side note, I recently watched Kung Fu Panda, and the whole deal with the Dragon Scroll got me thinking...What if the One Piece is just a piece of paper, that says "Gol D. Roger was here" and then a drawn face with a big grin? Certainly sounds like One Piece to me...

hopefully not. otherwise it'll make me feel like a dumbass reading OP, waiting till the end and then finding out that One Piece is just a piece of paper laugh

I love reading OP because Oda manage to maintain the storyflow as interesting as it was before (heck, it's getting better and better actually) and I find it amusing that the character and the story developed into something which I really eager to know what will happen next. Both Naruto and Bleach are also good series. It's just that the story doesn't give me the feeling of "wanting to know what will happen next" IMO. This what actually makes OP far exceeded the other two.

what makes me worried actually, is that how the attacks of the crews will be developed even further after this. okay, I'm actually just concentrating on Nami since I find her attacks in Enies Lobby arc pretty lame and how the hell she can defeat a Rokushiki user with only lightning?? not that I'm complaining (yeah right), but I just hope that the attack won't get lamer that how they are now User Posted Image

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I thought they explained how Kidd got a higher bounty. It was because he not only attacked Marines, but regular people as well. Also, the world govt decided not to raise Luffy's bounty after he beat Moria. Now,as for how Nami beat Kalifa, I'm probably breaking some unspoken rule by blending genres but even Superman feels hundreds of thousands of volts of electricity.

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I Also think that OP is much better than Bleach or Naruto. Bleach with their sword fights left and right bore me to death. The fact that Ichigo beat them at their strongest is saying something. Ichigo beat Kenpachi, but somehow Kenpachi can beat that weird scythe dude. WTF?! I mean like wtf... Ichigo could not beat that guy while somehow Kenpachi could? Bullshit. Naruto is very kool with its latest chapter revealing the conspiracy the surrounded the entire thing. And honestly I felt that "Naruto" should be called "Sasuke". It really revolves more around Sasuke and the other characters more than Naruto. With their freakishly many characters Naruto is left out in the dust for every other characters development. Then has more screen time for Neji than they ever did for Naruto's past. WTF? Sasuke? Wow, he's got the longest one by far. The fact that it keeps going back to the day his parents died repeatly practically over eclipse the time for everyones past. Sakura does not even have a past (don't count the one with Ino).

For OP there is definitely less characters than Bleach or Naruto. And OP also covered everyones past unlike Naruto or Bleach (because Naruto and Bleach have WWWWAAAAAYYYYY too many characters). The Strawhat crew is definitely more loveable than the cast of Naruto or Bleach. And their powers are pretty much set. Zoro never pulls out an unexplainable move to finish off a person, it was his skills and set training that he have done to earn that set power. Luffy never pulled out some BS new powers from nowhere either. To get 2nd Gear or 3rd he learned it from the CP9. Bleach just pulls out the Bankai and something like "See! I can even become much more stronger than I was last time! Which was like 5 days ago... I mean like 5 minutes ago I was not as powerful but somehow my Bankai can cover a whole lot of stuff that can't be explained... w/e BANKAI!"

And the reason Nami could even beat a CP9 was because she used her brains to trick the enemy and the fact Kalifa could only "Tenkai" her skin not innards. Tankai makes the skin as hard as steel or greater. But does not protect the insides from being fried.

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i like One Piece way more than i like Naruto or Bleach.
One piece makes me exited about thursday and friday. there always something random in the story ever week that make me love the story and stick with it.

naruto its like cool i wonder whats happening next to.....Sasuke

bleach kinda bores me i wait for like 5 weeks the read i and it might provide entertainment. i like it dont get me wrong. it just that it is so slow.

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One Piece fanatics reunite! Where's Ama? laugh

One Piece isn't that great, you know. It's actually very unlike Naruto or Bleach, in the sense that it doesn't take itself seriously. I worded it weird, but in One Piece Oda can do almost anything, there are no limits/bounds to his plot. He can make an alien ship land with some 'space pirates' and everyone would be "Oh, cool." or something like that. xD That kind of thing is normal in One Piece, if that happened in Naruto or Bleach everyone would be --> "O__O". Wtf, 'specially in Naruto. Guess that's one of its merits.

I find One Piece good, but not as good as this thread makes it out to be. In my opinion, Naruto and Bleach are better. Though I'm a bit biased, since those were my first anime/manga. I like the focusing on characters in Naruto, be it may that they'll be ignored for the rest of series. Poor Hinata. laugh And definitely loved Bleach's flashback. O__O Now that it's gone to fighting again, makes me feel as if it's gone worse, but we'll see what Tite'll do. He is brainstorming after all. laugh

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is, One Piece isn't that great. roll eyes When I first read it, I even viewed it as childish and average and that continued until chapter 400+ when I finally started to appreciate it. laugh So yeah, took me a long while to convince me that it was good. If I wasn't bored, I would've probably dropped it in the beginning. o__O Only reason, I kept reading was that I watched the Chopper arc in anime form when I was a child and remember it being awesome. (See, proof that it's for kids. bigrazz )

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