p0l3r, i think thats because all of them are just pussys and they just forgot kurono. like reika, she wants to forget him cause he didnt love her. it really made me mad lol.
anyway they are more worried about their survival.
and the vampires having to team with them is really cool. since kuronos death was nothing personal, i wouldnt mind having to two strong vamps to help ne, lol although the vamps will probably not help the others

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can someone tell me why the host samurai stopped killing all the hunters? i mean, if his objective is to obliterate hunters, he can kill all the members inside the room. I remember nishi blew a guy's head off inside the room before the mission started and was never revived back. why couldn't he do that so that only noob replacements are left..

only reason i can think of is he dropped his loyalty to vamps and decided to rely on others so he can survive in every mission. but is that it?

i think that the vamps are just trying to be smart and careful.
when they got inside the room they were surround, they would probably have died after killing just 3 or 4 of them. they didnt know that they would appear in that kind of place. after they understand that they are put in that situation and that the people in gantz are being forced (at least the main team) to fight them, i think it is smart of them to not kill them cause gantz hunters can explain things to them. and if they are going to be attacked by their own people, its not good to also re-start the fight with the hunters.

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the reason he didnt kill is that he have no knowledge of gantz yet... so hes just gainin knowledge of wats happenin and then i believe the next game or b4 the game ends he will kill them off or somethin

i really want to see how the vamps will react from now on.
speaking of gantz ending, knowing the Gantz series, it has to end badly for at least some charecters. i think that when gantz end, it really ends. its not just as simple as destroying gantz. gantz is just bad/evil from the point of view of the hunters (because gantz forces them). but to the rest of the world, gantz is like a savior (specialy now that aliens are on full force mode). for gantz to end we will have to know at least something about who/what/why made gantz, why are aliens invading the world and who are the vamps. for gantz to end, the alien threat will be destroyed, then there would be no need for gantz to recruit hunters, or the hunters will sucumb to the aliens, and the world will be taken over.
although, i think the story will change a lot before the end. for example, know that the aliens and hunters are becoming known to the public, i think the government will try to do something and know wats happening.

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Too all those peeps out there who stated that this manga was the "most" realistic manga they've read:

So which part of this manga is realistic? (I mean aliens, vampires...GANTZ etc.)

I honestly can't see at all. Honestly speeking, i think this manga's just plain wierd and yet thrillingly fast paced.

Also to Emperorpogi, I can think of many more endings for this story than u have thought...for example, for ur happy ending (if u stick with ur 'cliche' happy ending but make it a bit more open ended and worthwhile):

Of course it's not real... Manga is fiction, after all...

But usually when people say that some manga is realistic, they mean the people... How they behave/react to certain situations, etc. If someone can find himself/herself in that character, then that is considered realistic...

Also there are a lot of deaths, which makes it even more realistic... Since death is the inevitable ending of our lives, and writers usually don't like to kill off one of their characters, let alone the main character...

It gives us, the readers, that life isn't immortal~ Because nowadays we get so much influence by tv, manga, etc...

Since the 'good guys' always survive... And when you are grown up with that concept... It'll be a huge blow to you when you realize that you are going to die someday.

That is what makes this manga 'real'; death and being able to associate yourself to the character's (negative) qualities... Since in the beginning, Kei was all cowardly-like... But no one could blame how he felt, because we would feel selfish in that kind of situation too...

And that's where character development comes in... And makes a 'hero' out of a coward. The message there in is that everyone can improve themselves, or at least be more confident in yourself...

That's all I have to say, I guess...

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Ofcourse people don't mean that kind of "real" because that way there would never be any movie, book, show etc that was real, even if it was based on realistic events or even a documentary.
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Hehe, I was just joking =P Just playing upon the meaning of the english language =P

The reason the vamps stopped attacking, was simply uncertainty.

After Gantz reminded everyone he was in control, Katou explained that the only way to be free from the room, was to win, or destroy Gantz. Because he was uncertain of the outcome, "host" couldn't kill the man in the ball. So, the only option left was to try to make it through the mission.

As for the copy process, it's still pretty vague. We obviously know the original bodies are destroyed, but what we don't know is what exactly is retained. It can't just be the memories, though it would seem so from the situation with Kishimoto (she was sent home but her original hadn't really died), because the old man later is killed while in the "game" and meets his wife on a train. He is returned to the room apparently at the last possible second and has to say good bye to her again. Since we see this occur, we could assume it's actually the soul (or part of the soul in Kishimoto's case) that is copied and attached to a faux body. But that still leads to even more questions with the whole process. Now that I think about it, I may be over analyzing this a bit. I mean, IT IS JUST A MANGA FOR CRYING OUT LOUD

About Kei, he's gonna come back, because anyone can see that it's not as good without him.
If he had been finaly dead, killed (whatever happened to him), I think even Ganz, with all the "cold" attitude that was given to the ones that had died, it would have been shown some more about him dying..

It's still very good, and I don't understand how it can be called the worst..

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I got to agree with the op a bit. At least Gantz "second phase" is shit. It's not cause the aliens / weapons / new team are more extreme that they actually make the series better. Plot is more important then eyecandy!

Just like Katou beeing the new protagonist all of a sudden. I found the bastard repulsive from the start and never found him material to carry the story. Kurono outshined him totally at the beginning which makes it impossible for him to take over without dropping the quality of the series.

And the discussion bout reviving. First I'm against it, Kaito I could manage seeing I'm not attached to him but I don't want what's techinically a copy of Kurono to be revived. Even tho he wouldn't feel different we know he is different.
What would even surprise me more is that they would be able to revive him cause Gantz should've deleted his file out of the database when he set him free. I'm hoping at least this tho I just know it's against my better judgement and just wishfull thinking.

But I'm hoping it cause it would totally fit my dream scenario that Gantz is holding Kei in a room bye himself to go interfere with the mission and save the day. And it would be awesome to cause it wouldn't be a copy then and then it would be a smack in the face off his former teammates who obviously don't hold enough respect for him for all he did for them.
But this is again against my better judgement cause if Oka ain't even killing this alien how can Kei come save the day against that with only a normal suite / normal gun.

I just can imagine it: "i0, N3wb th4t d13d 4g41n. M1ss3d my g4m3, W4nt 4n oth3r ch4nc3? Go k1ll th3 l4st b055 pl4yb0y. T1m3l1m1t is 10 m1nut3s."

Pfff freaking long post

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I have a question how the hell can they revive Kei if he wasn't in the room?
I think the series went down hill when he made the antagonist vampires.

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Yeah, that threw me off guard, also when Akira came and went as fast as he did. But I'm sure there's a method to this madness.

Okay, I just got to Chapter 276, and I have no problems with this manga at all. I understand where all of you are coming from with realism and "simple" plot but I feel that the mangaka is doing his job well. Yes, Gantz is not "real" but the characters are, in that they react to the situation as they should, or in a way that is believeable.

For instance, someone mentioned that the old man was not believeable in his action to follow Kurono and wear the suit. That old man was smart from the get-go and it devastated me to see him get hurt. Maybe he aged well, and plus the suit has special powers, of course he can fight. And that anyone who got transported to the room and put in front of an alien-unknown form- would freeze up in fear or run. Not everyone is the same. The mangaka had people react this way, many refused to put on the suits and called the guns toys. But as the situation progressed, they realized that "Hey, we need to fight or we're gonna die." And then, we had some that went along with the situation since they really had no choice. I can't remember the exact chapters, forgive me, but everyone here seems to have a good memory on the whole thing.

And about Kurono being brought back... He didn't "die" in the room so, I think he's a goner. Unless he's alive still, somewhere, in a hospital or with Tae. (I hope he is, I love his developement.)

I don't think the plot's slow, you can't expect the plot to go at a fast speed, there needs to be growth for the plot as much as there needs to be growth for characters. Quite frankly, I am addicted to this manga, But, everyone has their own opinions... I have just hope I haven't restated something already brought up, how embarassing....