I don't believe that any person has the right to judge another person for an action they feel they have to take.
With that said, it is no one's business but the woman who is making the choice to have one and her doctor.
If you do not want one, do not get one when you find out you are pregnant. Women know that if they get one they might have "what if" thoughts. But if you think about it logically, people have what if thoughts about every major decision they make.
An abortion is a major decision, but as said it is between a woman and her doctor.

The reason why they have to make abortion legal, make morning after pills legal, is because otherwise some doctors will not give them to women. They have their own morals, which is well and dandy, but if they are the only doctor in a 50 mile area and the woman doesn't have the expenses to seek another doctor in the next state or city, who can she turn to? Alley abortions. And we know full well the rate of success those have and the rate of death.

Abortion laws are not meant for women who can afford the best doctors who will do whatever so long as they are getting paid. They are meant for poor women who have no other options, sometimes no supporting family, who knows that if she had that child, he or she will not have a good life. Malnutrition, growing problems, and emotional problems stem from poverty.

Abortion is not just an issue in the United States and other wealthy countries where it is labeled frivolous because women appear to have money and the means to have them. It is an issue in many poor countries, where women cannnot afford to feed a 5th or 6th child, who already have so many children because their church runs their state and makes it very hard for these women to find birth control.

While yes, I believe life is very important, but I would never force women to bear a child they do not want, even if adoption is an option. It is metaphorically chaining them to the ground.

(And don't even get me started and the hypocrisies of the adoption system - everyone wanting a Gerber baby instead of taking in a child who needs a home).

I dont like the idea of abortion, but i understand why its legal. What i want is for the government to stop paying for the abortions. They use tax money to run the abortion clinics, and that tax money comes from everyone, even those against abortions. What they're doing is making people pay for something they dont believe in (at least this is true in my state)

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I promise I'll get on topic in just a sec.

If "wanting a Gerber baby" means only accepting a "physically perfect, blonde, blue-eyed, newborn baby whose family history is 100% free of drug, alcohol, genetic, and mental health problems" then I agree that people are being pretty unreasonable.

HOWEVER there is a big difference between insisting on a "perfect" child, and being realistic about how well you'll be able to parent a child with known and/or probable special needs and setting your limits accordingly. As one example, many babies who have been exposed to drugs and/or alcohol before birth WILL NOT grow up to be normal adults regardless of whether they're adopted into a "perfect home" at birth because the drugs & alcohol can cause major problems with brain development - with fetal alcohol exposure, some parts of the brain simply don't develop (those parts of the brain just aren't there) and that causes major problems later on. (Of course some babies have no problems or only minor problems due to fetal drug & alcohol exposure, but a lot of problems don't show up until they're school-age.)

"Taking a child who needs a home" is a wonderful thing to do, but it's not so wonderful if you end up trying to parent a child whose problems are something you simply are not prepared for or able to deal with.

Back on topic...

I believe abortion should be legal and available, but I *ALSO* believe it should be a last resort.

FIRST - let's get *everyone* educated and make safe birth control readily available to EVERYONE, & work on preventing unwanted pregnancies in the first place. Let's make help available for girls/women who want to keep their babies but for whatever reason feel they "can't" (and this would obviously have to be help both before and after the baby's born). Let's make placing a baby for adoption more socially acceptable, so it's really a viable option rather than "how could you GIVE AWAY your baby?!?" And then for those situations where it's really the only option a woman has, abortion should be safe & legal.

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I agree that it should not happen... But I also agree that a woman should have the choice... However there are circumstances where it needs to be done and I don't mean by only rape incest and medical purposes. with cases like babies being thrown away in dumpsters or drowned in lakes or being born in the bathrooms perhaps if they were openly given the option and not made to be afraid of making that already difficult decision we would not have a breathing fully developed baby murdered. I am not saying a fetus is not just as important but it cannot survive out side of the mother's body it is a more human way to end a situation before more damage can be done. My view is not very nice to here it may even sound inhuman but all the people who say adoption instead of abortion are not adopting the hundreds of thousands of those babies that are now children stuck in, or going in and out of foster homes, group homes, orphanages. Some of their parents tried to do the right thing and not so call kill their unborn child but you cannot console that child who did not ask to be brought here with good intentions. My mother was 16 when she had me, we basically grew up together, she is my best friend. I am sometimes sad at how she missed out on a lot of things because she chose to raise a child at such a young age. I told her once she should have had an abortion because I feel I would have come along again later when she was better prepared and more mature. My mom works in the industry where all those children end up, the neglected, abuse, handicap and diseased. The children that are not wanted as they get older and become more distressed on why have they been born. I use to think I could not ever do such a thing, but it was okay for those who chose that path because in the end they are the only one who have to face themselves and their god.

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I don't think I'll ever get an abortion myself, (I don't plan to lose my virginity unless I plan to have a child).

But I am 100% for people practicing abortion. I'm especially for abortion in cases not involving rape, or incest, or medical. Because those cases of abortion not done for those reasons, 50% chance the woman in question and her sex partner are lacking in brain cells, and self restraint. And I am all for them not pushing their stupid genes out into the world. Who cares about what could have been. I'd rather an aborted fetus than another unwanted, neglected, abused child.

And I don't consider it murder, unless the fetus is capable of living outside the womb.

Depends on the situation. If it's a REALLY bad situation then it would be acceptable. Otherwise I'm totally against it.

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But I don't understand, abortion is either legal or it isn't. You can't make exceptions based just on opinion.


Or perhaps my brain works too rhetorically. I rely too much on fallacies.

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"maybe in certain circumstances"

agree with rape, incest or life endangerment

though with rape i think if the victim is brought to the hospital in the first 24 o 48 hours, they can make like a vaginal wash (am i saying it right? sounds weird o.o), before the sperm get to the fertilized eggs

but still i think that the little yet-to-be-baby inside doesn't have the fault of the actions that us outsiders do...

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I'm pro-choice. Obviously, proper instruction on birth control is the best option, but I don't believe a cluster of cells barely more complex than the bee I would kill without a second thought (And far less complex than the cows who are bred only to be killed later) is a good reason to infringe upon the rights of another person.

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Pro-choice! As a woman, I support a woman's choice to have an abortion or not for whatever reason. That being said, I don't feel it should be used as birth control. Health depts across the US, Planned Parenthood, etc. give out low cost to no cost birth control. College health services will give out condoms, at least mine does. So there are a plethora of options to prevent it and to control stds. I feel men have little say in the matter overall, individually as it pertains to that man. Men have no say in what women do to their bodies when and if they give birth to a child in general. Adoption is not always a great choice and there are also other social issues that come from unwanted pregnancies that lead to unwanted children.

Also, personally speaking as someone who has been raped, if I had become pregnant there is no way in hell I would carry through with that pregnancy. I wasn't given anything at the ER to prevent it (even though I should have been) when I was raped and was on edge till I knew I wasn't.

I'm decidedly pro-choice. There are a variety of decent reasons already presented here, but this is one of my core thoughts on the subject. You cannot eliminate abortion entirely. That's just a fact. It exists, and because of that even if you outlaw it you'll have women who want to get them, and become desperate enough to go for the unsanitary and dangerous back-alley version. Obviously we can argue over the semantics of the term "born" and whether or not it's morally acceptable indefinitely, but from a slightly more pragmatic standpoint I'm more concerned about the lives of the people who have been living for a decent amount of time.

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True! It is all about education. Those who have the knowledge are fully aware of their options. With all your options known and every preventative available, most times it wouldn't be needed. Though it is my belief that a woman, who owns her body, has the right to do with it as she pleases. Situations are unknown and people are all different, it isn't our place to make those decisions for the individual.

There are too many arguments to be made. It only boils down to the fact that those who want or need it should be able to get it safely and without worry. If someone doesn't believe in abortions they don't have to get one.

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About people not agreeing with war but then approving abortion - the door swings both ways - Those who are pro-life but go out and bomb a clinic full of already living breathing human beings, now that I don't understand....

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Last edited by chibilin at 3:41 pm, Dec 15 2012

I completely agree with you *nods*
I get really mad when I see girls my age getting pregnant aborting the baby, and then getting pregnant again a couple moths later.

If it can't think, it can be killed.
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