Look, I've already explained my opinion about this whole thing enough on this thread, so you can call it "People needing to be fed on a silver platter" all you want, but I'll still think that this is bad writing on Kishimoto's part.

And silencer, you can think about the story in whatever way you want. I don't want you to get the wrong idea about what I typed.

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Is it THAT important? This is just a case of letting the readers interpret of what they think truthfully happened.

You can imagine countless of possibilities of why they came alone. Maybe Yahiko kind of suspected it was a trap, and to keep his (weaker) subordinates from harm's way, he made them stay back a (great) distance. They were presumably the three strongest members of their gang, anyways. Maybe because of carelessness on Yahiko's side or stupidity on Konan's side that made her get captured...

Another possibility would be that Hanzou said that only the top leaders (authoritive figures) will be meeting each other. But then he suddenly captured Konan, and made his men come out. I could think of more ways, but this isn't worth it.

Meh, at least that's how I see it. This isn't really a big error on Kishi's part. What is an error, is Sasuke's sudden appearance of Chakra at Deidara's fight!



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DAMN IT DOC, STOP COPYING ME.
But yeah, I realized it was retarded arguing about it seeing how Yahiko was going to be dead either way.



Now THAT is something we can all agree on.

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You are free to do so, but that doesn't make it less naive.

And on the Deidara thingy. Many authors chose to show the explosion (or whatever) first then tell uss how the "hero" got away. I've never liked this short of plot device 'cause it's used far too many times by far too many authors, but thats not what I'm getting at. My question is: How do you know Sasuke was out of chackra?


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@ dr love : countless possibilities you can think of came solely from your imagination(it's not bad at all, but indeed a waste of time) since it's about why they came alone (which is not mentioned in the manga).Practically, if you think about the possibilities of whether they came with their gang(in the manga,they apparently didn't),i suppose 3 possibilities are enough generally and specifically (although there could be other branch possibilities for you to fabricate )

Is it that important? Actually i haven't spent one second thinking about whether it's important (because i used that one second to think about the 3 possible cases ),and it takes several minutes (not including grammar mistakes correction) to type my opinion and have a rather "interesting" argument.(if we think about it positively anyway).

So,it's not important (or it's retarded) arguing about "it",but didn't "it" make people (who thought about "it") exercise their brain rationally? However,believe me,obvious things can become brain teasers,lol,if we change our way of thinking

One more thing, i am a big fan of Naruto so i won't forgive anyone who bad mouths it. *begin the vendetta*

Just kidding i actually dropped Naruto a long time ago when people still idolized Naruto or Sasuke...i think it's overpopular.After that more people started to criticize it,and esp. when it came to this Pain arc,i curiously came back to read it,lol
And about what happened at Deidara's fight,well, if i hadn't dropped Naruto before this arc,i would've joined that dispute (normally i 'd be on the minority side, to keep a fictitious balance )

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i think what's gonna happen is that team guy and the other konoha ninjas will appear (because katsuyu will tell them naruto's location) just when naruto is about to resolve matters with nagato and they will attack and kill nagato, completely ruining naruto's plan, and as nagato lay dying, he will acknowledge naruto as the child of prophecy and that naruto will be the one who will bring peace to the world...

what do you guys think?

Oh come on! Do you really need a chakra meter drawn on the page to be able to tell that Sasuke was almost out of chakra.... He fell to his knees from using Chidori and the cursed seal so many times. And he even deactivated his Sharingan. He was in a horrible state to be able to pull off such a huge summon and sharingan hypnotize it, in such a short time.

On another note Deidara's final explosion really was a blast! I liked his catch phrase and that little black smiley face was awesome right before it blew up. Re-reading those chapters made me appreciate Deidara more.

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Not really naive, but more on the lines of "We'll never know what exactly happened to the gang offscreen, seeing how the only times they were mentioned was when Nagato told Naruto how Yahiko quickly formed one, and how Nagato himself took over it after he finished raging." They could have been attacked off screen and were too injured to go with Yahiko, or Kishimoto could have made Yahiko too stupid by having him trust Hanzou too much, thus making him decide to not bring the gang with him. It could go either way.



Not to mention that he was just a few feet from Deidara when he exploded, and that would mean that Sasuke would only have a few seconds to summon Manda, use genjutsu on Manda to control it, and then use time-space jutsu to teleport himself inside of Manda. Then there's the fact that the blast radius covered at the least 10 km. And even if Sasuke wasn't out of chakra, he was fighting Deidara for a while, and used techniques that needed a lot of chakra, so there was no way he could have enough chakra left to do all the things he did to escape Deidara's kamikaze attack.


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And how come Manda wasn't disintegrated even though he was exposed to Deidara's jutsu? If every living creature turns to dust after being blown up from the inside by Deidara's microscopic bombs, then why is Manda still intact when Suigetsu arrived? Major inconsistency don't you guys think?

dude, deidara is without question the greatest naruto character. and has one kick ass finishing move. even manda died. why did sasuke even survive being covered by that mountain of flesh? his chakra must def been empty by then or are there magic emo reserves that only the most emo can draw out?

Dude... It was hardly the same attack... /facepalm




What I'm calling naive is the conclusions you intitially started this thread with, not assumptions.



As Is asid this is a plot device used by writers to decieve the reader/viewer. It's done countless times in movies and shit. It's mainly too fool the audience sense of sequencity (in lack of a better word for it). I really never liked it.

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What's funny is all he had to do was include the line "I had Chakra after all" and this discussion is meaningless. That's how I took it anyway when I read it since it was more than implied...

Sasuke: I had Chakra after all

Orochimaru Inner Voice: NO sasuke you didn't, I just gave you a bit of mine, but don't worries, we will meet in your dreams and that ass is going to be my reward.

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Of course, he had chakra. Or else he wouldn't have made it out, no? It's just that it's so farfetched and an "easy-way-out" for Kishimoto.

I think the readers were more annoyed at Sasuke's superiority, even when fighting against one of the Akatsuki (who defeated Gaara nonetheless, be it by a sleazy trick).

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This is when i decided to read these chapters of Deidara's fight.
Your hypothesis is more than a smart joke...

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