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Most depressing......


Anyone remember "Paranoia Agent"? Well...it's not a manga, but it's the most depressing anime i ever saw.....It's more depressiing than watching an episode of DBZ .. biggrin

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Post #2255 - Reply to (#2210) by ares6
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Anyone remember "Paranoia Agent"? Well...it's not a manga, but it's the most depressing anime i ever saw.....It's more depressiing than watching an episode of DBZ .. biggrin


LOL, im not sure what to say because that can be interpreted so many ways, and some DBZ fans might get offended if i interpret it wrong xD

But that asides, a lot of animes being posted, lol. Its cool, but post some more rare, depressing, not too well known manga's ^^. i got a great list already, but can never have enough =D

on a related note, is the elfen lied manga as sad as the anime? cause the anime was so depressing (imo if there are those who disagree bigrazz)

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on a related note, is the elfen lied manga as sad as the anime? cause the anime was so depressing (imo if there are those who disagree bigrazz)

Ya I know what you mean... I stopped watching the anime after maybe 4-5 eps? It just ... was too extreme I guess for my tastes.

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The manga? Yeah...it gets pretty sad...and since it goes farther than the anime, it get's worse...I could spoil who dies, you know~

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    Most depressing......


Anyone remember "Paranoia Agent"? Well...it's not a manga, but it's the most depressing anime i ever saw.....It's more depressiing than watching an episode of DBZ .. biggrin


I saw Paranoia Agent, and i realy liked it, and it is very sad sometimes. BUT nothing is as depressing as watching a DBZ fight episode!!!!!! biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

P.S. Paranoia agent really was a good anime, and there were one or 2 pretty depressing shows.

ares6, do you remember the one woth the 3 suicides who couldn't manage to kill themselves? I loved that one, even though it was pretty sad in between.

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I don't consider Hikaru no Go as a depressing manga because it IS about Hikaru's playstyle in the world of Igo. Rather, the story alone is about Hikaru's triumphs and failures as he plays Igo initially out of fun and habit and eventually into an obsession to master Igo.

Likewise, Paranoia Agent (the anime) isn't considered depressing mostly because it's a collection of stories about a bunch of nutcases whose ills and woes in the world are almost entirely self-inflicted.

NHK ni Youkosou! is depressing even though it is supposed to be funny and amusing. I'm currently at a point where I DO understand what the main protagonist is going through and it's just... depressing in that respect.

Full Metal Alchemist was annoying and sadistic. I say annoying because it's about 2 dumbasses who learned the hard way why people should NEVER try to resurrect other people. Chapter 1 all the way to the end was almost entirely about Al and Ed whining about getting their bodies back to normal regardless of whatever tragedy or near cataclysmic event was going on.

I believe I've mentioned this before regarding Elfen Lied. Elfen Lied is a gory psychotic drama. It's not comedy and it's not depressing. I mean, am I supposed to feel sorry for Nana who in the middle of a deathmatch with Lucy decides to save that dumbass girl from certain death and thus losing her arms and legs? I'll agree that the girl's stepfather was a child-molesting bastard and that her mom was a bitch but hey, that part of the story was glossed over so quickly that I can't say I know enough of what went on in her household to be able to feel sorry for her.

Fruits Basket is an excellent choice of drama and chicken soup for the soul. It has its depressing moments but for the most part, it IS about breaking of emotionally negative bonds from the self no matter what your position in society is. It's more of a problem and emotional solution sort of story.

I'll reiterate that Violinist of Hameln and Pita Ten are very very depressing. In fact, I recommend that people go out there and actually read VoH up to wherever ScytheGP has scanslated to. If you find yourself craving for more Hameln, there's an image archive somewhere online where another group has scanslated the entire 37 volume series.

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Likewise, Paranoia Agent (the anime) isn't considered depressing mostly because it's a collection of stories about a bunch of nutcases whose ills and woes in the world are almost entirely self-inflicted.

I think I'll put in the effort for an argument here. First of all, only three episode ( about three, its been a while since i've seen it ) had completly individual side storys, and they were used to illustrate what kind of occurences where happening in the county. There wern't all that many nutcases either.

for example the inspector
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Remember the story of the inspector that got fired and his wife who was unable to become pregnant? They both try to make it easier for the other one and a both sad, and in the end the wife manages to enter his dream world before she dies?
No one crazy, pretty depressing.

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I vote for Saikano and Nana as the most depressing.. >.< mad

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I don't consider Hikaru no Go as a depressing manga because it IS about Hikaru's playstyle in the world of Igo. Rather, the story alone is about Hikaru's triumphs and failures as he plays Igo initially out of fun and habit and eventually into an obsession to master Igo.

Likewise, Paranoia Agent (the anime) isn't considered depressing mostly because it's a collection of stories about a bunch of nutcases whose ills and woes in the world are almost entirely self-inflicted.

Full Metal Alchemist was annoying and sadistic. I say annoying because it's about 2 dumbasses who learned the hard way why people should NEVER try to resurrect other people. Chapter 1 all the way to the end was almost entirely about Al and Ed whining about getting their bodies back to normal regardless of whatever tragedy or near cataclysmic event was going on.

I believe I've mentioned this before regarding Elfen Lied. Elfen Lied is a gory psychotic drama. It's not comedy and it's not depressing. I mean, am I supposed to feel sorry for Nana who in the middle of a deathmatch with Lucy decides to save that dumbass girl from certain death and thus losing her arms and legs? I'll agree that the girl's stepfather was a child-molesting bastard and that her mom was a bitch but hey, that part of the story was glossed over so quickly that I can't say I know enough of what went on in her household to be able to feel sorry for her.


lmao, that's a mouthful right there mahouneko. quite cruel and to the point about your opinions on most series, gotta be careful of some words you use though, else you'll end up makin quite a few enemies as those are some pretty well-liked series you're talkin about >:-). Though you're free to express your opinions whatever they may bet, aggressive comments do tend to offend others who feel strongly about something and cause unecessary disputes, and i find that it ruins the atmosphere for those who are reading the comments.

On another note, do you happen to have the url for the entire Hameln series? or should i just google it a buncha different combinations of "image archive" and "hamelin"? if you have the link it would be very helpful, as im very interested in this series.

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If people want to pick a fight with me simply because of my critiques of a series that they like, then they should sit down and think a bit more about what I've said. I say it as I see it. Most animes/mangas are catered to be as popular as they can and therefore it cuts into creativity and thematic strength. I have listed a number of series where I've pretty much explained how they fall short of being a "depressing" series. A sad story arc does not make for a sad story. A depressing story is made through circumstances that were beyond its characters' control and made worse with other factors pounding on the characters at once.

Pita Ten fits the criteria exactly because Shia, Misha, and Kotarou are all very much related on a spiritual level hence their current suffering or atonement for what they have done.

Violinist of Hameln also fits the bill because despite all of Hamel's antics, he knows exactly who he is and but not what he must do, sort of. I checked the site that used to have the entire archive online... and it's no longer up anymore. The closest that comes to it is: http://manga.abildsoe.com/index.html

But I'd recommend that you download the torrents from ScytheGP instead, I think. I haven't checked their work in a while ever since my VoH manga set arrived in the mail like... 2 years ago or something.

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Well, i'm not saying you shouldn't express your opinions, im just saying that certain choice words may seem more insulting than it should be, as this is the internet and tones can be interpreted differently. Feel free to say what you want, its just that the way you say it might cause unnecessary flaming back and forth. Cause there's objective criticism and subjective criticsm after all, what you say just seems more personal opinion the way its worded.

Thanks for the link, i'll most likely read the first 18v from ScytheGP and continue using the site.

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I'll agree with mahouneko about not finding Elfen Lied the slightest bit depressing at all. Sadistically bloody and gory, yes. But depressing, not at all.

Actually, I haven't found any mangas that really depress me. Of course, there are some things that I've seen the anime of, but haven't read the corresponding manga (eg. Saikano).

Speaking in terms of anime, there are many series' with a few depressing episodes/moments. However, one depressing moment does not make the entire series depressing. For me to consider a series "depressing" would require that the general mood for that series (or for the most important parts of it - usually the end) to be depressing.

Saikano would certainly fit that bill. I would also put Kanon (the first anime version; I haven't seen the more recent release) there, on the basis of the last 4 episodes. But something like Seikai no Senki II, where the only depressing moment was in the first episode, doesn't really count. I'm also hesitant to label Juuni Kokki as depressing, though it has its fair share of moments.

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I'll agree with mahouneko about not finding Elfen Lied the slightest bit depressing at all. Sadistically bloody and gory, yes. But depressing, not at all.

Actually, I haven't found any mangas that really depress me. Of course, there are some things that I've seen the anime of, but haven't read the corresponding manga (eg. Saikano).

Speaking in terms of anime, there are many series' with a few depressing episodes/moments. However, one depressing moment does not make the entire series depressing. For me to consider a series "depressing" would require that the general mood for that series (or for the most important parts of it - usually the end) to be depressing.

Saikano would certainly fit that bill. I would also put Kanon (the first anime version; I haven't seen the more recent release) there, on the basis of the last 4 episodes. But something like Seikai no Senki II, where the only depressing moment was in the first episode, doesn't really count. I'm also hesitant to label Juuni Kokki as depressing, though it has its fair share of moments.


Saikano is a tragedy drama. It's hard for me to personally consider Saikano as a depressing series because Saikano was made to be a tragic love story between two youths. As such, I'm still going 50-50 with my opinion on Saikano.

Juuni Kokki is an epic. It's in the class of epics like Legend of the Galactic Heroes or Five Star Stories or Ginga Sengoku Gunyuuden Rai. Epics tend to cover a broad range of issues such as politics, government, and philosophy of right and wrong.

I thought Haibane Renmei was thematically depressing because it IS about purgatory; at least what aBE considers is purgatory.

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Most depressing......


Anyone remember "Paranoia Agent"? Well...it's not a manga, but it's the most depressing anime i ever saw.....It's more depressing than watching an episode of DBZ .. biggrin (/quote)

I saw Paranoia Agent, and i realy liked it, and it is very sad sometimes. BUT nothing is as depressing as watching a DBZ fight episode!!!!!! biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

P.S. Paranoia agent really was a good anime, and there were one or 2 pretty depressing shows.

ares6, do you remember the one woth the 3 suicides who couldn't manage to kill themselves? I loved that one, even though it was pretty sad in between.




HEHEHEHE...The fact that they just can't seem to kill themself make that episode depressing....hehehehe....remember that dad who was spying on his own daughter's room with a hidden camera? That was pretty disturbing..... biggrin

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that dad was disturbing in more than one way,

i really liked that show, this thread made me remember a lot of stuff

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