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Post #512941 - Reply to (#512937) by Hanae
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I'm a Roman Catholic, the kind that actually goes to church every Sunday and does most of the other stuff the Church says are supposed to be done (I clarify it because I know there are people who say they are Catholic but don't do any of this).
However, I'm not the kind who attends all these meetings and groups to talk about God (I accidentally went to one and these people were really weird), or tries to talk to strangers and convince them to become Christian (because it doesn't work, I think giving a good example is more effective).

The same here. bigrazz

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Atheist. I don't believe simple as that.

But I don't have anything against other people's religions since they are free to believe in what they want.

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Atheist. I don't believe simple as that.

But I don't have anything against other people's religions since they are free to believe in what they want.

Sameeee... laugh

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I'm kind of against religions in general, because I haven't come across any that favour females. And I refuse to believe that I am worth less than a man due to the simple fact that I was born a woman.

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Post #512955 - Reply to (#512952) by WandereroftheDeep
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I'm kind of against religions in general, because I haven't come across any that favour females. And I refuse to believe that I am worth less than a man due to the simple fact that I was born a woman.



Those are my exact views, and the fact that war causes so many wars, i believe it should just not exist.

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Post #512966 - Reply to (#512955) by AnjuxKuran
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I'm kind of against religions in general, because I haven't come across any that favour females. And I refuse to believe that I am worth less than a man due to the simple fact that I was born a woman.



Those are my exact views, and the fact that war causes so many wars, i believe it should just not exist.

Not every religion is like that. If you actually look and ask people who are real members and know what they're talking about that is, mine has issues with both statements.
We believe that women are equal "helpmeets" with men, and that war is evil.
A "just" war is hard to find, and is classified as defending yourself, family, free will, religion, and property from obvious attacks from another person or group. You can build up defense all you want, but no fighting unless attacked.

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Technically, I should be Greek or Coptic Orthodox
I stopped attending church about 5 years ago though, and really don't tie myself to any religion.

I enjoy religion as a philosophical conversation/investigation piece. That's all.



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Post #513056 - Reply to (#512966) by atem4yami
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I'm kind of against religions in general, because I haven't come across any that favour females. And I refuse to believe that I am worth less than a man due to the simple fact that I was born a woman.



Those are my exact views, and the fact that war causes so many wars, i believe it should just not exist.

Not every religion is like that. If you actually look and ask people who are real members and know what they're talking about that is, mine has issues with both statements.
We believe that women are equal "helpmeets" with men.


I don't know your religion, but since you used "helpmeet" I'm going to assume you're Christian; please correct me if I assume wrongly.

Even if you say women are "equal", it doesn't change that they're still just the help (because that's what "helpmeet" means; a "help meet for man"), and it doesn't change the fact that women are still expected to do most of the housework and to take care of children. Nowadays there is this notion that men and women are supposed to be equal, but women are still being paid less than men; women generally hold jobs which pay less, but sometimes women are paid less than men even if they're in the same position.

The Bible literally states in Genesis that God said unto Eve "you will desire your husband, and he will dominate you"; I dare you to name a religion which explicitly puts women above men.

People make a big fuss about racism, but sexism is often overlooked, even though it's still present. Tell me, how is being looked down on because of your gender any different from being looked down on because of your race; you don't get to decide whether you are born a man or a women just as much as you don't get to decide whether you are born black or white. Even though the Law prohibits any kind of discrimination, it doesn't mean there's no discrimination in everyday life. And even whether or not men and women are equal before the Law is dependent on in which country you live.

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I believe there's a God, but I don't know which religion has the right God I would believe in. So as of the moment, I'm stuck with my family's religion: Christian--Catholic

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...I dare you to name a religion which explicitly puts women above men.

i dare to say that you can find some odd primal unknown religion with a matriarchal culture
but religion sanctioned sexism is blamed for everthing yet it's not the cause
for example in Islam even if in lot of places the koran state that people are equal male and female , white or black but the culture of the people is more influencing then what you think
even of other distant ethnic groups (in Asia or even in south America) were so called religion based inequality is absent yet they as sexist or even more sexist than in the middle east and europe (it was more pronounced especially clear in in the middle ages or before that)

Post #513084 - Reply to (#513081) by jasperv
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...I dare you to name a religion which explicitly puts women above men.

i dare to say that you can find some odd primal unknown religion with a matriarchal culture
but religion sanctioned sexism is blamed for everthing yet it's not the cause
for example in Islam even if in lot of places the koran state that people are equal male and female , white or black but the culture of the people is more influencing then what you think
even of other distant ethnic groups (in Asia or even in south America) were so called religion based inequality is absent yet they as sexist or even more sexist than in the middle east and europe (it was more pronounced especially clear in in the middle ages or before that)


Yes, it's more with culture than to do with religion. Islam states that they are equal but they fit into different roles, like women don't lead the military, they think differently than males and no matter how much you fancy the idea, war will always exist and will always exist for a reason, expansion, resources, and projection of power.

Since old times women were always seen as caregivers and males the workers... those views still hold today, women are just trying to grow out a role they have been playing since old times, they are always exceptions to this of course.

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Cradle Roman Catholic. Unlike most raised in the Catholic Church, I still practice, too. I was going to agnostic route for a bit there, but then I heard my Dad explaining some little-known Catholic Church theology and such to this protestant neighbor of ours (My Dad has a doctorate in theology and is one of the ranking member of the Catholic Church -- he is as high in the Church as a layman(not ordained priest/deacon) can go on a local level) The Catholic Church actually has this rule (it has this fancy name I can't remember) where you can actually disagree with some of the practices of the Catholic Church (because the Catholic Church believes the majority of your faith is between you and God), and that as long as you don't preach these disagreements to other members of the Church, then you're free to disagree, and even encouraged to do so. He also explained to her that she didn't need to take the bible literally (she was from a Christian sect that did), and was actually not supposed to, since Hebrew was such a complex language that no matter how precise the translation, multiple shades of meaning were probably lost, and that even without that the bible was more of a guideline/parable, rather than an actual rule. (He illustrated this with the places in the bible it says to stone your children, never shave your beard, to murder your wife if she commits adultery, etc) Obviously if you disagreed or didn't believe in the core aspects of the Catholic Church (for example, anything in The Nicene Creed), then you would probably be better off in a different religion, but it would still be alright if you stayed.
I had disagreed with some practices and minor theological issues of the Catholic Church, and just knowing I was allowed to disagree suddenly made me view my Church in a slightly more positive light, and made me feel less bad. Because at my heart, I love my Church. I wanted to agree with it, and most definitely wanted to be a part of it. I love the tradition of it, and the knowledge that no matter where I go in the world, the Mass will remain exactly the same, albeit in a different language. There is something just so fundamentally comforting in that. Whenever a protestant friend of mine moves and is like, "yeah, I need to find a new church one of these days" I die inside for them, because just the thought of finding a new belief system like that all willy-nilly is so terribly sad.
So yeah, I'm a cradle Catholic, and I love my religion, even though I disagree with some practices and theologies of it.

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Post #513104 - Reply to (#513084) by AA2109964
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Yes, it's more with culture than to do with religion. Islam states that they are equal but they fit into different roles, like women don't lead the military, they think differently than males and no matter how much you fancy the idea, war will always exist and will always exist for a reason, expansion, resources, and projection of power.

Since old times women were always seen as caregivers and males the workers... those views still hold today, women are just trying to grow out a role they have been playing since old times, they are always exceptions to this of course.


Ok...this reeks of the "seperate but equal" idea from the time the US were segregated, which in the end turned out to be seperate and not so equal.
By the way, I never said anything about wars...

About gender roles, there is no problem as long as women are happy fulfilling their assigned role; there's a problem when women are no longer satisfied taking care of the housework and the children. It's just not fair that women who don't want to live this kind of life anymore are discriminated against. And just because it's been going on for so long doesn't mean it's right; slavery was legal for hundreds of years, but I think most people would agree now that slavery isn't a good thing.

@jasperv: It's not possible to name some odd primal unknown religion with a matriarchal culture bigrazz .

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I am spiritual, but not religious. I believe in energy smile

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