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@dark mage: it's just aya's personality. but aya did make some other expressions, but that's only when she is with her brother or sister rit? haha

anyway, i've just finish I''S again. so i think i can answer ur question on why not as many ppl wan a marriage in I''S now. firstly i shall just state the similarities between the 2 mangas, lots of ppl have said this online. but these are few that i thought myself.
1. Both of the male protagonist are really way to nice, this gave them lots of trouble. Manaka just want to help Kozue get over her fear of guys but ended up making her falling in love with him which shocked Aya cuz of amachi's prediction. manaka also went to help Yui immediately after his film trip without getting enough rest. although nothing happened in the end if it were to happen in any other romance manga i dare say it would give the protagonist loads of trouble. Ichitaka was worried about Iori's photoshoot and went to help her even when he is on a date with Itsuki and he planned to confess to her. He helped Asou go all the way to some place 4hours train ride away to help her confirm her "boyfriend's" feelings. Ended making fall for him(though she ask him to stop before she fall for him i think she already did). this make ichitaka think about whether he should remain in love with Iori or he should just go for Asou as a replacement since iori is "untouchable"

2. this brings me to the nxt point, both of them have some degree of inferiority complex. for manaka was when everyone around him is chasing their dream while he isn't, that made him think if he is worthy to be nishino's boyfriend(actually i only vaguely remember something like this, so im not too sure, feel free to disagree). while for ichitaka it's roughly throughout the whole story, 'nuff said.

3. both stories have a pushy girl. satsuki in ichigo 100% and izumi in I''S.

4 Childhood friends who help the protagonist at crucial times. Yui with bra. Itsuki while ichitaka is feeling down and daydreaming. she appears in his dream, or something like that. btw help meaning leads to the eventually pair up with the final girl, not always making the protagonist feeling good(manaka failign exam cuz of yui and bra)

5. both pair broke up because of wanting to follow dreams. nishino for baking and manaka for film making and becoming a better man for nishino(aha, maybe this is to cure his inferiority complex). in I''s Iori for acting and ichitaka, well, if we sort of twist it, is just wanting the one he loved to be happy, in this case being able to act.

now for the part they differ.

1. ichigo 100% is mainly between 2 girls. you may argue 3 but i personally don think that the focus on satsuki is that great. where are I''S is mainly focused on one girl. and other girls just come in and out of the main story without staying till the very end. you see, ichigo is sort of resolved because manaka is able to choose nishino over aya whereas I''S ended because Ichitaka and Iori realised their love for each other is more important and anything else. Ichitaka didn't waver between 2 girls as much as manaka did cuz the thing with itsuki ended pretty early in the series where aya and nishino is towards the last few chaps.

2. ichigo 100% is not a cliche. whereas I''S follows the pattern love at first sight=unrequited love=permanent love=happily ever after.

3. the I''s is a cliche, i feel that it's also rather realistic as well(hmm sounds contradictory). in i''s they made sacrifices to achieve love in the end, iori gave up her career, ichitaka almost gave up his life. but in ichigo, nishino and manaka both achieved their dreams and love. you may say manaka gave up on aya, but in the end the managaka hinted, or maybe said explicitly that there is still lots of opportunity for manaka to interact with aya, though it may not be same as before. BUT...but it's impossible to be have the same level of relationship as before with aya if manaka wan to be with nishino. so i guess that being able to work with aya means manaka did not lose her? only my opinion though.

4. in i''s the 2 main love interest, itsuki and iori, got paired up. izumi doesn't really count as one since ichitaka's reaction to her is mostly physical attraction not from the heart. in ichigo, aya dint.

so from those reason, im thinking that fans doesn't demand a wedding in i''s as much because it's pretty much set since there is only one love interest, it's a cliche so they can imagine the perfect ending, they sacrificed alot and also they both thought its an unrequited love for 3 year so the love between them is really strong probably stronger than that in ichigo and wont change easily. in i''s, ichitaka cant fall back on itsuki since she got a bf too.

they wan a wedding in ichigo more because manaka wavered between aya and nishino too much so they wan some definite ending to it, like to kill off any possibility of a break up and change of love interest.( though i admit die hard aya fans may say,"oh manaka is surely gonna divorce nishino and marry aya" but you can have that many diehard fans) 3rd point enforces 2nd point since manaka still has lots of opportunities to interact with aya. 4th point further enforces the previous 2 since aya is still single and available. oh also if there is a wedding in ichigo and aya went there to give manaka her best wishes then i think we can say it's over, like in suzuka, honoka(the childhood fren at the temple) and yui(the co work in the cafe) both went to yamato and suzuka's wedding to give them their wishes.

well.. that's the reason i have come up with. i may be wrong, since im one of those that demand wedding in ichigo but no i''s, i actually wan to see a wedding in both cuz i always thought it would be a nice ending.

and here is my personally rant, i generally dislike ichitaka from around the middle until the last 2 volumes. his inferiority complex is too annoying mad and he thinks like kozue too except kozue is cute and ichitaka is not

oh yea, feel free to disagree with me, afterall it's just my personal opinion (yea, first post on page 18 and it's not take by kisstine haha)

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LoL Congrats for making the first post in the page biggrin . I agree with almost all your points but I disgree about #3 in how they differ. Manaka never gave up on Aya, he simply came to love Nishino more than Aya. Its as simple as that. Aya was the one who gave up on him.
The mangaka never said, that Manaka has lots of oppurtunities to interact with Aya. Can you please provide a link where she said that. As far as I know she said "That Aya's future was bright" and "it was hard to keep love once achieved but then she said that she was just kidding with us". And Manaka won't have that many interactions with Aya, that is they are unlikely to have casual chats on the phone due to them never having much to talk about since an early age, or meet up for no reason, when they will be both busy with their different careers and in Manaka's case Nishino and his career. The only time, Aya and Manaka might meet up again and cross paths is when he is going to make that movie but as Manaka said, it will take atleast a decade for Japan to have proper facilities in order to make that movie. So is it really realistic that a beautiful girl Aya will still remain single for 10 years and not meet any man who is worthy of her, specially when there is no promise between her and Manaka and Aya has moved on? (Do you think J.K Rowling has alot of interactions with the directors making the movie Harry Potter?)And like I said Manaka is highly unlikely to have a change of heart and the same goes for Nishino. For Aya to once again be a candidate for Junpei's heart, they have to have alot of interactions and like I said, they have no reason to do so as Aya and Junpei never were the ones to have casual chats and the only time they will work together, is ten years from the time of their reunion. Oh sure, they can still meet each other after a long time in a reunion like the one in the last chapter, but apart from that they won't have that many oppurtunities to interact with one another as their careers, paths and dreams are now different. If Nishino wasn't Manaka's Girlfriend the same would've applied to her, i.e they would be unlikely to cross paths again and have that many oppurtunities to talk. Also, if Aya hadn't given ip on him and Manaka was single, she might create oppurtunities and such but if they don't talk with each other, they wouldn't even know if they are still single or not, for example, Manaka doesn;'t know if Aya was still single at the reunion or not, or Aya didn't know that he had broken up with Nishino before she left for France or Aya is also unlikey to know that Manaka had once again started to go out with Nishino after she returned and the reason is, they simply don't have any reasons to talk with each other. To start seein each other again, Manaka and Aya fist have to know that they are single and free to mingle, they have to get back those feelings, have to get over the awkwardness of being confessed and rejection, break out of their "friend Zone" when they both agreed on it. Junpei considers that he is happy that every one is happy to support him and were behind him like here http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/167/14/
http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/167/15/ (which essentially means he sees Toujo as a special friend who is also there to help him out and support him in his dreams and that he wasn't alone) That means Toujo is highly unlikely to be more than that as they are both happy and satisfied with their current relations. BTW, I really loved Aya in the last chapter, she seems so much cooler than her teenage self.

And if you believe in destiny and such, there were a fe foreshadowings in Ichigo100% that Manaka and Nishino would eventually get married ---
remember Nishino's wish in the Lake of Marriage?
Manaka and Nishino exchanged the charms in the shrine that were said to make those two people exchanging them forever lovers.
Manaka's mom said she preferred Nishino as her daughter-in-law over Aya.
Manaka accidentally called Nshino's mom as "mother"
And they spent quite a few nights alone together .

Most people tend to say that they aren't gonna be together say it because of what the author says here --- http://www.onemanga.com/Ichigo_100/167/omake4-08/ but she does say (just kidding their futures are bright too)

So to sum it up the reasons they want a wedding is based mainly on Manaka's wavering heart, right, but I think at the end of Ichigo100% Manaka has become a better man than Ichitaka for I"s, why? --- because he went through alot of troubles with the girls and learnt from them, matured, became responsible, determined, got rid of his indecisiveness, respects, trusts and loves Nishino so much that he wants her to continue working on her dreams, and choosing Nishino out of 3 girls was a tough feat for him and he took a long time to make that decision and is likely to stick by it and shown it by becoming a better man worthy for Nishino to stand on equal footing with her, and Nishino, is more than likely never to have a change of heart as she has rejected advances from numerous good-looking boys and men since she was a teenager and during her stay in France and her love for Manaka never once wavered (coz at the end she asked Manaka if he would once again make her heart flutter?, that means Nishino had never met anyone other than Manaka who made her feel that way), she essentially acted as his girlfriend even after they broke up and started seeing each other once more. So all it needed was a little effort from Manaka's end which he is now fully prepared to commit himself to Nishino and his film-making. Nishino and Manaka know each other very well and knows what the other wants and what both of them can expect from their relationship. Such a bond is tough to break for someone who won't get oppurtunities to talk with Manaka that much. Like its more plausible and realistic to say Higure-the pastry chef might make Nishino fall for him as they both work in the pastry industry and are likely to cross paths while Aya is only set to cross paths with Manaka after 10 years.

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Yeah that's what I said, everyone sees what they want to see, but tend to overlook what the author said in those (just kidding) lol. And like I said in my previous post even if they did break-up, the chances of Manaka getting back together with Aya are very slim(almost non-existant) its more than likely Manaka will start dating one of the hot actresses he will be meeting when making movies
And I think from the author's point of view, I guess she started writing this manga thinking of Aya but as the story continued to play out, the author herself started to like Nishino's character more and more to the point, that it seemed very importnat for even the author to give Nishino a happy ending biggrin

And I never said, there weren't any cute moments between Toujo and Junpei, I just said that Aya always had the same expression on her face except when she was acting naturally around her cousin and brother but aroun Manaka, she had almost the same expresions, but you have to admit the moments between Junpei and Nishino almost always had that romatic atmospheere to them

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ok i'm just hypothesizing here. maybe the same thing that happened in suzuka might happen. like when honoka found a new man he wanted to check to make sure that yamato is not giving up on suzuka and may turn back to her. probably u can imagine it going on between aya and manaka.

but then again i have to agree with dark mage that they have very little chance to interact now that i think about it, i missed out the fact that it's gonna take a decade for manaka to start making the movie. and probably even when they meet it will just be small talks and strictly business. oh well it's still fun to think about it. it's keep the fans happy thinking that this is not the end. this is still a chance no matter how small for their dream pair up haha laugh

@kisstine actually i dint really refer to that part :/ because from what i understand from that is that nishino and manaka stay together while aya finds someone other person who is good. i didnt skip the just 'kidding part' lol

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@mammothb,
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what do you think would've happened if Yamato said he gave up on Suzuka and still loved Honoka? I really want to know what Honoka would've done in that case. Would she choose Yamato or the new guy.I personally think, she would've chosen Yamato. For the record I liked Honoka more than Suzuka although not by much and was rooting for her but I didn't feel that sad at the ending because I kind of liked Suzuka too. :) and Honoka did get another guy


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Talk about suzuka here.

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@dark mage: k i replied in that forum


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@kisstine, I just came across what an Aya fan wrote and wanted to hear what you thought of it. here ---


I personally waver. Nishino definitely did a lot to and for Junpei over the course of the manga, but even though I hesitantly agree that she deserved him more than Aya (it hurts me to write that), the final scene just doesn't sit well with me. Perhaps it's the way she says "I guess," when he asks her to be his girlfriend again (for the third time). It makes a kind of sense, after all, it's frikken time for him to make a move and start chasing her and doing things for her for once (which he does by sweeping her off her feet), but I just don't see a truly happy future in store for the two of them. Nishino is not flighty, she waited 4 years, and fended off many boys to stay with Junpei, but dangit why does she seem so blase at that final reunion? (frustration)

I personally feel, Tsukasa was, in reality very excited but was acting her ag and showing her maturity as suited her age and didnt want to go all high-school girl on Manaka and Tsukasa has always been one to reply with brisk and clipped tones. Anyways the reason I said she was excited but didnt show them, was because, right after she said "I guess" she asked him "will you once again excite me?"

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I was rooting for Nishino Tsukasa from the very beginning. I skipped a big chunk in the middle when it got boring, but I can't believe Aya did anything worthwhile to make Junpei prefer her. Strong, independent girls who follow their own paths instead of allowing a guy to influence them are far too rare in manga. Go, Nishino, go! laugh

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@dark mage: i think onemanga translation is not able to bring across the feeling very effectively. i dled the scanlation from fydm.net, and their translation for that scene was, "Well...Yeah," "Can you make my heart flutter once more...?" so i thought this shows that nishino is definitely very excited.

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@mammothb, Thanks alot for your help, I wanted the whole chapter but it seems loike its in irc which I cant use or for some other reason, it doesnt work for me. You are right it sounds alot better when she said it like that but even in the OneManga version when she said "and...will you once again excite me?..." it meant that infact she was very excited underneath but wanted to tease Junpei a bit and not show her excitement on the surface i.e she was keping a straight face as befitted a woman of her age. LoL
Also, Nishino was never really portrayed as the "girly" excitable type. She isn't shy like Aya so she isn't going to stand there teary and doe eyed waiting for Junpei to run to her and she isn't very aggressive like Satsuki so she isn't going to run and tackle Junpei either. The fact that both show up after four years speaks for itself, so they can joke around with it.


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now that you mentioned it. i feel that it would actually be nice if she go all teary and doe eyed and run towards manaka. that will really show how much she love him since it is how she will normally act. like a really cliched/classic ending to most romance stories haha.

hmm, you cant use http://www.narutocommunity.net? the whole volume is there

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