Aaaaaw, what's wrong with Kuroko?! xD

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The very idea of teleportation is moving to another location without a path between the two points. Thus no vectors involved. Since he alters movement vectors of matter instead of alterations in the fabric of the universe.

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Kuroko wasn't put in the sisters/accelerator arc probably because the author wanted to introduce Misaka as a love interest for Mr.lvl 0

But when teleporting, is it the object moving, or space itself?

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It's teleporting. Nothings moving. Space can't move since it lacks form, but it is being altered.

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one of the supposed "scientific logic" in which the people in the index universe accepted as it's explanation for teleportation is to be able to calculate the 10th dimension and above. it's because of this complex calculation that kuroko requires great concentration and needs to know the location of an object or place beforehand to teleport, why one teleporter can only teleport behind his opponent after he confirms his/her position, and why one potential level 5 failed her test and ended up greatly traumatised after teleporting half her body into a wall.

taking this 10th+ dimension calculating into account, as long as Acc.keeps moving in the battlefield (usually fast), if a teleporter does intend to teleport something into him, they'll most likely messed up the location. but what if they caught Acc by surprise when he's standing still or predicted beforehand where he'll be and by luck got it right, you ask?

now i didn't get much on the whole 10th dimension article on Wiki, but what i do know is that one of the things in common between the 10th to 26th dimension is this; it is related to force, a form of vector.

"but wait! calculation of the 10th dimension and above has little to nothing to do with teleportation!". if this is your argument, then i won't deny it. in real life, these calculations are actually just theoretical. as for actual theory on teleportation in real life; if anything, with the exception of one, there is no plausible theory to it. that exception?

in '04, scientists were able to teleport a photon from one point to another. to explain this, let me put this in a simpler example, and rather than use a photon, let's say through this procedure, our technology are more advanced and is capable of performing on humans; what they basically did is read the blueprints of every atom in your body, disassemble you, and reassemble you back according to the blueprints at another location. in a more simpler term; they kill you in point A by disintegrating you, and make a perfect clone of you in point B.

so, according to the logic of teleportation in the Index-verse; yes, Acc. is capable of deflecting objects teleported into him via the theoretical calculation of the 10th-26th dimension, which makes use of force, a vector. while this logic may not coincide with actual theories on teleportation, remember this is fiction. and in this fictional universe, that's the accepted truth.

The real life stuff isn't important. You've now given an actual reason pertaining to the series explanations why they didn't just bring the teleporter, as I asked. Thank you.

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you're welcome.

Bloody 'ell, mate.
That's definitely something refreshing to wake up to...
Thanks for the explanation! =D

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that was one detailed explaination. But I think it's best not to worry considering this is fiction. I mean I was constantly wondering why when touma fought accellerator he didn't just grab accellerator with his imagine breaker to dispell his vector power and just keep punching him with his free arm. It would of made life a lot easier for him.

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Because that wouldn't have been very cool!

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Very well, i am interested, though i have a little knowledge about quantum teleportation. The things about 10+th dimension of calculation is just i have never heard of how it would relate to teleportation,in the real physics that is, but it's not a bad idea to use string theory on a quantum-related procedure.

So, in real life, what is that exception ?
The explanation of dematerializing and reconstructing the object is appreciable, though not the most interesting part of teleportation. With out that most interesting part, teleportation would still remain as a joke in science fiction.

How does one get the sufficient information (dynamic information does not only involve location) from an object - say, a photon, in order to create a perfect replica and send it. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle said that it is impossible to do this directly i.e. the deeper you scan into that photon, or use "10th dimension calculation" lol, to get its information, the greater the information itself will be deformed by your measurement.

That's why the idea of teleportation was not taken seriously by scientists for decades. And sometime in the early 1990s, some guys ingeniously found out a way to get around the uncertainty principle using a third proton, which is entangled to the desired replica. The process of direct scanning the original is executed halfway, the remaining information is transferred through that 3rd photon by a fascinating effect called quantum entanglement. Interestingly, this awesome effect results from the EPR paradox, an attempt of Einstein to overthrow quantum theory lol

btw, they started to do stuffs with photons before 2000, i'm sure.

So, in this Index-verse, how does one extract information from an object and teleport it ? i have no intention of reading this manga and wouldn't ask that question if the physics in that universe doesn't seem to be based on ours, but it does seem to show some attempts. Ah never mind, perhaps it could be done by some kind of magic/paranormal wave from the brain.

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EDIT: welp, didn't occur to me to google "nth dimension, teleport" to see if it had any connection at all, so instead i ctrl+f on the wiki page for string theory, searching for teleport and found nothing. i'll gladly retract my statement.

the physics in the index-verse is after all, merely fiction, and being that, you don't exactly get that deep an explanation into everything, aside from it's just magic/paranormal phenomenon. the supposed source of their abilities comes from deep within the brain, and that's all they ever did explain so far, from what i've read. at best, whatever actual existing theories they do present in the series, as you yourself have said, are merely attempts at making it sound plausible, and i emphasized on the word "attempts". heck, i still don't see how Acc managed to erase a computer virus out of a clone's brain. also consider his power's to be conveniently described as a form of psychic ability, and that's all that was ever said.

as for that '04 experiment, it was from an article i read from cracked.com a few months back, so that killing and making a clone elsewhere was a paraphrase from said article. i'm sure i made it clear i was no expert on quantum physics and the like as i referred to wiki, looking to see if any form of vectors are present in string theory.

as for my initial explanation, aside from checking to see if there are any form of forces in string theory, the whole 10th+ dimension thing came from the author's description of the ability in the novel, which is all he ever explained; they were required to calculate it and then just teleport. i doubt he has any sort of deep knowledge on the subject. and no, i don't exactly take their explanation that seriously, it's all just an attempt to make it sound eligible rather than take the easy road of "it originates from my chi/ki/chakra/reiatsu/haki/nen/etc."

if you're looking for a manga that actually has physics that's based on ours, i suggest you look away from a shonen series featuring super-powered humans. rarely do i see them do any sort of in-depth look into science, aside from the basics.



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She can't win possibly win against Accelerator.
Kuroko said it herself, she needs to know the exact position of her teleportation target. It has to be somewhere visible, or somewhere she's been to. Thus, there's no such thing as "instant" here, instead, she calculates coordinates in her head before teleporting. And accelerator can repel any vector involved abilities.

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@ Diokhan Your explanation is nice and adequate in term of clarification, i just want to add something for the part that relates to real physics

Okay then, i will take that advice, perhaps i will start reading this manga when i m bored.

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