Why in hellz name should it be monitored?

I've stated this before, but how a person reacts to something is on them.

Two people could watch a scary movie, one might laugh and snicker, while the other one might be scared shitless.

Its all on that person and how they've grown.

And, as far as I'm concerned, monitoring it and stopping things from coming to the public, is just not fair.

@lemondude

If you want everything to be monitored, you should go find your self a totalitarian country.
This is exactly what they do. If you want everything that might make disturbed people snap censored, you should go there.
Controlling the media, newspapers, art, freedom of speech...

You use the Internet to find information, right?
Think of a world where that right is gone. Censoring art/manga would be just the first step.
I mean, if you allow a controlling body take over the natural human rights for information and freedom of expression, what would be left?
A person in power can easily hide what he wants nobody to know, nobody to speak of and leave only his view on things,and how he wants the situation to appear.
Imposing ideas on people who know nothing else is not difficult.

You disrespect this freedom and are willing to cast it away so easily, that it shocks me.
I want to see you, monitored every hour of the day and then we will talk.
It seems like you have created this thread only to talk about monitoring context in general.

Do you want to live in a cage?
If you start monitoring one thing, you will do the same to other things.


Some people who were abused at their childhood abuse their own children.
Would you deprive the right to have kids from them?
Would you not allow anyone to have kids at all?



This is very funny, and very true.



This is so straying away from manga...
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I remember reading a similar study. I don't think that violent and grotesque media = murder neccessarily but I think it's silly to say there is no connection. I mean if all these things are a common factor doesn't it make sense that there is some correlation?


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loling at everyone that doesn't think media influences you. :/ Try again. No one is so insular that you don't get influenced.

i watch violent porn but i'm not violent at all, so that doesn't mean squat. = I smoke but never got cancer so smoking doesn't cause cancer. Right? :rolleyes

I think monitoring is okay and censorship I'm on the fence about.

I do believe you should monitor what your children read, what is placed in schools, in libraries but I don't think we should stop people from drawing/writing things? The U.S. doesn't have that type of gov't (and well Japan doesn't in that respect, but they can censor parts of wars but w/e w/e) I think it is up to the publisher. I do wish that U.S. based publishing companies would not liscense certain titles though. Especially things like lolicon but as simulated child porn isn't illigal and the trend is of people becoming more depraved I won't hold my breath. (I really don't care if it is a literary work or not. It's rather disgusting.)

I totally disagree with those that say violent media doesn't influence people. That is a load of crap. The media does influence people, why do you think wayfarers are popular? It's just the trend currently. Because popular actors and actresses started to wear them. The amount of time you spend doing something will influence you. Most people spend most time on the internet or watching tv. If a child spends over 28 hrs a week watching tv and only 3 talking to their parents. What is going to influence them more? If all you have coming in is violence of course you'll get desynthesized. That's why we don't have small children watch very violent shows. It predisposes them to violence.

so op yeah I'm with you :0

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@people saying that murders are mentally unstable - I don't agree with this necessarily, I think people that murder can be perfectly sane but believe the ends justify the means, or don't value human life. (Which raises the question do people that kill not necessarily murder have a disregard for human life as well? Which is a whole diffrent topic =_=)

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Since everyone's going off to media in general instead of just manga, I'm moving this to chatterbox

If this was about making manga, and other forms of media, specify what kinds of content it has, I would have no issue with that. Parents should be able to see what their children might be exposed to before they buy it for them. Negima might star a ten-year-old boy, but it is certainly not suitable for a ten-year-old to read with bloody violence and sexual situations.

However, implying manga has anything to do with violent crimes and should be censored is very much like how Dungeons & Dragons and Magic: the Gathering were accused in the past to contribute to a crime.

In one case where the criminal had played Magic the night he commited murder, Magic had been suggested as a motivating factor even though the victim had not played the game with him, the murderer was high on drugs and there was severe issues within the family. But, oh it's not that he had personal motivation and used drugs to mess with his own mind-- it's little bits of paper that made him commit a 'random' murder against his family.

As pointed out in other places, the suggestion to censor manga makes little sense when the country of origin of these 'violent stories' has far less crime per person than the United States. There are manga filled with grotesque mutlilations and mass rape of underage children, yet Japan's crime rate for those type of crimes are nearly non-existant.

It should also be pointed out the crime rate in the United States is NOT increasing. In fact violent crimes have been steadily decreasing since 1993. Murder has gone down by one third, from 24,530 in the United States during 1993 to 16,929 in 2007. Saying there's an increase is an issue of preception from increased news coverage and short-attention span of the average person.

I would not argue against violent manga or games being a trigger to a violent act, as there are cases where the murderer followed fictional accounts to kill someone. However, what is often ignored is that the person was likely to commit the crime anyway. The fiction provided the means, not the reason.

No matter how much you try to censor the media, if a person wants to kill someone, they're still going to kill them. I have never seen any accounts of murder that only had violent stories or games as the direct or only cause. There were always other reasons for the crime that gave enough 'reason' for the act without needing Gunslinger Girl or some other manga, movie or game to 'push' them.

The fact the V Tech killer wrote violent fictional stories could've been his cry for help. However, if you judge everyone by what they write, then you may as well arrest every free thinker. Describe a mass murder? You're sick and need to be locked up. Write about sex? Then you must want to rape a girl, and should be arrested for her protection. Compile an article that suggests the president a socialist dictator? Well, that's high teason and you should be shot.

Freedom to express yourself does come at a price. You will come into conflict with others who don't agree with your expression. Sometimes that conflict can lead to violence. However, oppressive censoring and control has a price as well. Too much control and people will lose their creativity until they rise up to fight for their freedom.

There is no perfect solution to the availability of violent manga. Censoring it would lead to other media being censored where there is no line that everyone can agree to. The only suggestion I have is that parents should pay attention to their children, have control of what they read and see and only allowing certain types of content when the parent feels the child is ready to see it. An adult should be emotionally able to handle the first arc of Yu-Gi-Oh! manga with deaths and torture, while an eight-year-old boy is might not be ready to understand why setting someone he hates on fire is not a good way to deal with the person.

Lol, gotcha. Whenever someone says to do something "for the better of teh Warudo", shivers run along my spine. I was right. Your reasons dont stand a chance.

Better monitor the FAMILY and the upbringing (the place where a kid grows, in short) environment, not a place of freedom (and greater justice, might i add XD) like the intarwebz.

Lemondude, no offense of course, in the place where you live, do you think there's enough space for some more people? I'd love to sell you the Vatican City for 1$, no, better, I PAY YOU to keep them with you

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