i chosen to stay believing to my religous belief of evolution. human is from the soil of earth, and when they die, they'll return to earth.

i try not to question it. but it is matter to me. i'm not religous or anything but i refuse to believe i'm a decendent of those naked apes.

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I think we're in the same religion >_>
You said everything I wanted to say D:

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LOL. the fish ate another fish!!!

okay okay... on topic. The origin of humans matters to me now that I watched the video (including the Simpsons one). I want to know the truth! Then I could tell people "I'm sure humans came from fish!" <--- only if it's true and all my business buddies would go, "huh.. we don't care"

I voted "no" as if it were to affect my daily life but in discussions of evolution such as in this thread I guess it matters as my attention is towards it at the moment.



Yes I'm verrry aware of that. AP Bio student here...well was... then I got bored...short attention span.

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really? what religion are you? nice to see a friendly quote in this kind of topic.

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I don't really care about the origins of humans. Cause us humans live an extremely short life span. So i think, all that matters is that your here now.

it'd be interesting to know our origins and whatnot, but like most everybody here i'm more interested in where we're going. I'm not in one of those branches of science so i really don't have to worry about it anyway

did wanna say tho about all the evolution talk, it is the theory of evolution. Don't wanna get to far into it, but it hasn't been proven yet(not trying to bring an uber christian perspective, just stating)

Gravity hasn't been proven yet either.

Just FYI, the flimsy stuff is called a hypothesis. Theories are backed up with experiments and logic while hypotheses are backed up with guesses.

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I believe all knowledge is important, so I clicked yes. I'm the type of person that likes knowing things, and learning things. I'd like to know where we've been, how we got here, where we're going, and how existence itself will end (Although there are many theories on that one, such as the big freeze theory (That states all suns will die out and the universe will become an infinitely dark and cold place), or the the big rip theory (in which the universes expansion itself will start causing it to rip and start destroying everything) are vary interesting reads).

Oh, and Dark_Sage, gravity was proven to exist along time ago, mostly by Issac Newton (Although a bunch of Johannes Kepler's work on Celestial Objects and their orbits, and the various laws he created to govern them did in turn provide some foundation for Newton's law of Universal Gravitation).

Although his theory has been superseeded many times since, his theory is stil used in modern calculations, most notably Einsteins theory of General Relativity, which has been used, in turn, in various theories of Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Gravity, String Theory, and M-Theory.

Of course, all these theories really mean nothing as they are just theories. Without hard evidence, alot of people will not believe it.

Oh, and also, Dark_Sage, Hypothesis are what lead to Theories. The whole of science is one large guessing game. People hypothesize, study, then theorize.

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Proven long ago. Evolutionism is an autonomic branch of science now. Tons of books about it were written. Modern technology confirms this 'theory' almost every day.

I wouldn't like to go to the evolutionism section at any university and tell them hold on, people, you're only theorizing, give back the funds


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WELCOME TO MIDDLE SCHOOL.

Gravity is still a theory. It is not proven to completely and utterly exist as a law, but it's pretty damn close. Regardless, it's NOT a law, so don't try to treat it like it is one.

Try not to patronize me, kid. I know what hypotheses are (yeah, that's what the plural of hypothesis is. ;)). A hypothesis is an "educated" guess. Theories have evidence behind them. Oh, and just FYI the scientific method is: Observe Something, Make a Hypothesis, Test Hypothesis With Experiment, Analyze, Conclude, Report Results. You can't just study something, you have to create an experiment.

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If you don't think gravity is a law...then how do you explain it? o.O In your own terms, I mean. You could just be the next Newton if you actually can
I treat it as a law. If you don't want to accept that, then what about "god's pulling us to the ground" ?

P.S - did he just call Kaioh a kid? >.<



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Gravity is a ghost. It is only there because people believe in it and someone gave it a name. If no one thought about it, we would still stick to the ground, we just wouldn't be able to esplain its intangibility to each other.

It's like trying to prove hapiness.

FTR - Humans are silly and wherever they came from isn't as relevant as where they are going. Their creation by "god" is just another tool of the establishment to maintain control.

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That's all well and good but scientists still label it a theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity <- Even Wikipedia does. Lawl.

When people act like kids I tend to treat them as such. Kai-chan has obviously not had the education that I did, so I was probably accurate in calling them a kid. Either that or I'd have to explain the deficiencies in intelligence by means of calling Kai-chan stupid, and that would be mean.

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Theory in a scientific context means something entirely different than the word in everyday use.

Quote from http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_stat.htm :

"The theory of evolution is not just a "theory":

Words in English often have multiple meanings. Words about origins are no exception.

- "In the American vernacular, 'theory' often means 'imperfect fact' —part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess." 1

- "A theory is defined as a 'speculative idea,' 'a formulation of apparent relationships or underlying principles of certain observed phenomena which has been verified to some degree,' or popularly, 'a mere conjecture'." 8

- In the television programs NYPD Blue, or Law and Order, a "theory" typically means a hunch by one of the detectives. It may or may not pan out.

However, in science, a "theory" is a belief that has been verified by actual experimentation and/or observation.

There are many levels of scientific theories. Some, particularly new and emerging theories may be based on little evidence. Others, like the existence of evolution, the laws governing electricity, Newton's laws of motion, genetics etc., are supported by so much evidence from such a wide range of sciences that they are very firmly held beliefs. They have existed for many decades, or even centuries. Some, like the theory of evolution, have been relied upon by generations of physicists, geneticists, cosmologists, biologists, geologists, etc. They are accepted as true facts by essentially all scientists.

And here is a link to 17 indicators that evolution didn't happen with rebuttals:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_noway.htm

The fact is, if you could disprove evolution you would be one rich man. Anyone who could do it would, but it needs to be backed up by the scientific method! Not just random things written in a bible that is debatable whether or not it should be taken literally or symbolically ie. genesis.

For those who don't know it here is the scientific method:

"The foundation of science: the scientific method:

It is difficult to comprehend any aspect of science without first understanding the scientific method. This is a very important problem solving technique which has been extensively used by scientists in their quest to build their knowledge base and gradually gain insight into the workings of nature. The scientific method has general application throughout human life as well. 2 It typically involves a number of steps:

- Observing something that is unexpected or unusual. Perhaps something that has been detected for the first time.

- Gathering as much evidence as possible about the phenomenon.

- Creating one or more hypotheses that might explain the observation(s), using intuition, analytical methods, trial and error, etc. The hypothesis is based upon the assumption that only natural forces are at work. That is, there are no supernatural forces intruding into the world causing unpredictable results at random times. If such forces did exist, it would make the study of science impossible.

- Designing a test that will give predictable results if the hypothesis is true. (Sometimes the opposite is done: a test is designed to attempt to prove that a hypothesis is false, in order to eliminate it from consideration.)

- Conducting the test; check the results. Determine if the hypothesis has merit.

- Restarting, if the hypothesis has no merit.

- If successful, publishing the results in a peer-reviewed journal.

- Independent duplication of the above steps by others to confirm that the conclusions are reproducible."

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