Well, I've been watching the anime and it just went over the part with Teresa and Priscilla. Now that I've gone over it again, it's raised some questions for me.
Irene thought that Priscilla had more potential than Teresa, and that she would someday surpass her. Teresa thought the same when she fought Priscilla, saying that there's a monster in her and that she might not be able to beat her next time.
But then we see during the last part of the fight where Priscilla goes berserk and goes after Teresa alone. The other claymores arrived and said both of them had huge yoma auras, but one was significantly larger.
Judging from what was said earlier, this larger one should be Priscilla. But then we see that Teresa was completely overpowering Priscilla. And she's only at 10% while Priscilla was close to awakening.
How do you explain that?
Also, I remember back in the beginning of the manga that Clare said they never refer to themselves as claymores. But now that's what they call themselves. Is this just to make it easier to translate?
On an unrelated note, I can't stand the suspense music in the anime.
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In that battle Theresa already use 80 % demon power equal with Priscilla but she use demon aura sense ability. That ability was use by Claire when she fight with Kakuseisha for the first time, and really nice ability
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well i dont know the answer for the second one but the first is pretty easy if you think about it.
Teresa special ability is reading the youma energy of other. so shes at her best when she hasnt released her own youma energy. this is because her own youma energy would blot out the energy of her opponent. so if she had released all of her power i bet she wouldn't have been able beat the person with the quick sword. the proof to this is when ever clare tried reading youma energy. she had trouble going on the offensive because to read youma energy she had to keep her own pretty low.
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Teresa special ability is reading the youma energy of other. so shes at her best when she hasnt released her own youma energy. this is because her own youma energy would blot out the energy of her opponent. so if she had released all of her power i bet she wouldn't have been able beat the person with the quick sword. the proof to this is when ever clare tried reading youma energy. she had trouble going on the offensive because to read youma energy she had to keep her own pretty low.
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If you want real answers you could read the manga it. I dunno if they will change the storyline along the way though see as the anime is catching up to the unfinished manga pretty quickly.
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In that battle Theresa already use 80 % demon power equal with Priscilla but she use demon aura sense ability. That ability was use by Claire when she fight with Kakuseisha for the first time, and really nice ability
Priscilla was the one fighting at 80%, Teresa was still at only 10%.
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well i dont know the answer for the second one but the first is pretty easy if you think about it.
Teresa special ability is reading the youma energy of other. so shes at her best when she hasnt released her own youma energy. this is because her own youma energy would blot out the energy of her opponent. so if she had released all of her power i bet she wouldn't have been able beat the person with the quick sword. the proof to this is when ever clare tried reading youma energy. she had trouble going on the offensive because to read youma energy she had to keep her own pretty low.
Teresa special ability is reading the youma energy of other. so shes at her best when she hasnt released her own youma energy. this is because her own youma energy would blot out the energy of her opponent. so if she had released all of her power i bet she wouldn't have been able beat the person with the quick sword. the proof to this is when ever clare tried reading youma energy. she had trouble going on the offensive because to read youma energy she had to keep her own pretty low.
Well, in the manga and the anime, it clearly shows a scene where Teresa and Priscilla had their swords locked together, but Teresa pushed her back. Which says to me that Teresa at 10% has more raw power than Priscilla at 80%.
Could everyone have overestimated Priscilla or underestimated Teresa, including themselves? After all, supposedly Teresa had never released her power before, so maybe she didn't know how strong she was.
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I don't know up to where you are in the manga, and I don't know where the anime is at right now... But there are weirder things in my mind than that later on in the story. (I'll post a list of them later possibly)
But as it was said, for Teresa, the stronger the opponent yoma energy the easier it is for her to deal with him. She only needed 10% of her strength to deflect the attack. She probably did not really take it head on. Picture the old guy in Kung Fu movies who can seemingly counter any attack. It's just that as all the other characters said, Pricilla has more raw power, she just lacked skill and experience compared to Teresa. And that makes the difference most of the time.
(Well those where my interpretation)
But as it was said, for Teresa, the stronger the opponent yoma energy the easier it is for her to deal with him. She only needed 10% of her strength to deflect the attack. She probably did not really take it head on. Picture the old guy in Kung Fu movies who can seemingly counter any attack. It's just that as all the other characters said, Pricilla has more raw power, she just lacked skill and experience compared to Teresa. And that makes the difference most of the time.
(Well those where my interpretation)
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Well, I have a lot of questions about things later on in the manga too. But those were fan-translated (props to 10sigh) and I don't know how accurate they are. So I didn't want to mention them.
I guess I'll have to accept your explanation, even though it looks to me like Teresa overpowered her with brute strength at some parts of the fight.
I guess I'll have to accept your explanation, even though it looks to me like Teresa overpowered her with brute strength at some parts of the fight.
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Well my questions have really nothing to do with the fan translation...
I mean no matter how bad he could be, my question would still be unchanged.
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I mean no matter how bad he could be, my question would still be unchanged.
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How come Clare was able to beat Rigald just by awakening her four limbs? He is clearly stronger than her, he was a #2 before awakening, while she did awaken 4 limbs, he is FULLY awakened... shouldn't that make him stronger? And rank wise, her awakening should be less powerful that his anyway... Doesn't make much sense IMO... but maybe there is a secret to Teresa's flesh?
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Well, I don't think that the rankings at this point are quite accurate. For certain, Clare isn't dead last anymore. She's the equal of a single digit, at least according to Miria after their first awakened being hunt. And she did seem on par with Flora when they had their duel.
Then look back at the fight with Duph. Riful observed that a purposeful awakening is more powerful than an accidental one. I assume that this would mean all or at least most of the ones who awakened before were accidental ones, or else she would have know this already. And it would also mean that going into their awakened form after they've already awakened is not the same as Clare's purposeful awakening.
Riful also said at the end of the fight that she wanted Clare and Jean to grow stronger in their half-awakened state, so that when they do completely awaken, they would be even stronger awakened beings. So that means the strength of your awakened form can change depending on when you fully awaken.
So Clare has been getting stronger and stronger. At the time of their fight with Rigald, she was at the same strength as a number 8, or higher. And consider that Clare's awakening is stronger than a normal awakening. There's also the fact that Rigald lost an arm at the beginning because he was caught by surprise.
Well, this might not be enough to explain how she can beat him. In any case, I support your opinion that Teresa's flesh has some effect.
Maybe we're not considering the full implications of awakening. Right now, Clare is 1/4 yoma, other than 1/2 like the others. So if she awakens and become 100% yoma, wouldn't she gain twice as much strength as the awakening of anyone else? The reason she was ranked last was because she had the least yoma strength. But when she awakens, maybe she would have the same strength as an awakened Teresa, since the yoma in her is the same as for Teresa.
Then look back at the fight with Duph. Riful observed that a purposeful awakening is more powerful than an accidental one. I assume that this would mean all or at least most of the ones who awakened before were accidental ones, or else she would have know this already. And it would also mean that going into their awakened form after they've already awakened is not the same as Clare's purposeful awakening.
Riful also said at the end of the fight that she wanted Clare and Jean to grow stronger in their half-awakened state, so that when they do completely awaken, they would be even stronger awakened beings. So that means the strength of your awakened form can change depending on when you fully awaken.
So Clare has been getting stronger and stronger. At the time of their fight with Rigald, she was at the same strength as a number 8, or higher. And consider that Clare's awakening is stronger than a normal awakening. There's also the fact that Rigald lost an arm at the beginning because he was caught by surprise.
Well, this might not be enough to explain how she can beat him. In any case, I support your opinion that Teresa's flesh has some effect.
Maybe we're not considering the full implications of awakening. Right now, Clare is 1/4 yoma, other than 1/2 like the others. So if she awakens and become 100% yoma, wouldn't she gain twice as much strength as the awakening of anyone else? The reason she was ranked last was because she had the least yoma strength. But when she awakens, maybe she would have the same strength as an awakened Teresa, since the yoma in her is the same as for Teresa.
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Clare only got stronger because she keeps collectng and adding other people's body parts.....
When she turned into a Claymore, the blood was from Teresa. And she got that arm from Irene.
Also, Teresa lost because she let her emotions interfere with her work.
When she turned into a Claymore, the blood was from Teresa. And she got that arm from Irene.
Also, Teresa lost because she let her emotions interfere with her work.
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When i read until Volume 13, Clare is already as powerful as top 5 single digit. The mysterious power behind Teresa's power is still unknown therefore when they put her fresh and blood into Clare, it created some unknown element inside her. Perhaps, which may make Clare become really powerful if she is fully awakened.
Clare right now has Teresa's fresh and blood within her body plus Irene's arm just like Ares6 said. On top of that, looks like she has obtained a bunch of technique from all single digit one. Like the Yomo energy reading from Teresa-well apparently Clare processes it without much hardness since Teresa is inside her. Second, is quick-sword technique - Irene's arm. Third, is her new technique which she learned from observing Galatea- don't know how to describe it, butt it just help her control the Yoma energy once one is awakened. Forth, her new quick sword derived from Jean - volume 9. And last is her windcutter technique from Flora - also from observing. I really don't know what else Clare processes but looks like she is really getting stronger and stronger. I can't wait to see her release
Clare right now has Teresa's fresh and blood within her body plus Irene's arm just like Ares6 said. On top of that, looks like she has obtained a bunch of technique from all single digit one. Like the Yomo energy reading from Teresa-well apparently Clare processes it without much hardness since Teresa is inside her. Second, is quick-sword technique - Irene's arm. Third, is her new technique which she learned from observing Galatea- don't know how to describe it, butt it just help her control the Yoma energy once one is awakened. Forth, her new quick sword derived from Jean - volume 9. And last is her windcutter technique from Flora - also from observing. I really don't know what else Clare processes but looks like she is really getting stronger and stronger. I can't wait to see her release
Talking about Teresa, it's too bad she has to die so early as for this series. She is my favorite character of this entire series of course along with Clare.
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Yes, there are some gray areas in the story line that can be loosely explained by speculation, but I still like this manga. Hopefully, things will be explained more when the story advances. To tell you the truth, the explanation why the Claymores are more powerful than the Yoma seemed a very weak to me and didn't explain anything at all.
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this migth have deviated from the original question but here is my theory on teresa overpowering pricilla ever seen whta happens when a gas pipe is blocked and preassure builds it'll eventually explode or when you remove obstruction the flow will be much stronger than normal of all those years of relying on her own strength and stedialy increasing her powered while keeping her yoma energy sealed the yoma energy preasure concentrates compresing to make room for more that is generated so now teresa has incredible amounts of yoma energy stored 10 % of 1000 is more than 80% or 100% of 10 and now when those amounts of energy touch muscles normally used to working without its existance the power originated is tremendous pricilla had been just recruited and she probably was touht to use power in training while realising on how to supress it can only currently so terefore the energy realese wasnt the same as teresa (this migth not make sense to you but it clicks together in my mind just fine ofcourse i add other things in like visualizing yoma energy flow and understanding basic biology)
claymores are just called that because of their swords which are claymores if they used zweihanders they'd be called zweihanders (but thats ridiculous since it means to handed sword in german)
claymores are just called that because of their swords which are claymores if they used zweihanders they'd be called zweihanders (but thats ridiculous since it means to handed sword in german)
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Actually I think your theory kinda makes sense... But that would kinda make Raphaela into some kinda of super powered monster. Since she has been suppressing her yoma energy the longest.
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Raphaela is a monster...
and kana503: I think the key to claymore being more powerful than yoma is control, their human brain exerts control on the yoma power inside of them, it's like teresa's control over her power vs pricilla's wild outbreak of power. Awakened beings are obviously more powerful than a claymore because they retain the smarts of the previous human brain while being able to release as much energy as they want.
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she released all her powers on her sister who is an abyssal one, even tho she was on the brink of death, a former #2 will never be able to kill an abyssal one, so the amount of energy raphaela released has got to be phenomenon.
and kana503: I think the key to claymore being more powerful than yoma is control, their human brain exerts control on the yoma power inside of them, it's like teresa's control over her power vs pricilla's wild outbreak of power. Awakened beings are obviously more powerful than a claymore because they retain the smarts of the previous human brain while being able to release as much energy as they want.
