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4:21 pm, Feb 16 2012
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I see no purpose for the definition of god.

God being a creator god who created the universe. at some point of origin. the big bang? The big bang isn't a point of origin, there was before. before the big bang our current universe may not have existed but our universe was created by natural forces likely a black hole being created in 4th space and being folded into 3rd space

Either accidental or intentional by a race that can make quantum computers this way, and the universe exists for such purpose.

If you believe in an afterlife, I see no basis for such study, yes someone alive is different than someone dead in more ways than just energy running thru them, but even if a soul exists, to assume a soul is maintained uniquely after the container is dissolved? that goes against what we've learned of gasses and other things. Maybe the soul isn't like a gas that fills to fit its container, but if thats the case what is the soul like?

the soul is not the mind, the soul is NOT the body, so if there is an after life what is there that MOVES on?

I've been told a theory the soul may be in the quantum, which sounds nice, but is really just throwing it somewhere where we can't test for it. and is likely just sugar coating the unknown which is pandering science really. I can't find the soul, but I don't know everything in the quantum, so ... maybe its there?

I guess you can't say a soul doesn't exist if you haven't looked EVERYWHERE for it, so its not really pandering, but I don't see WHY it would be in the quantum either.

Now onto the 'meaning of life' because without god, we need some purpose to stop some christians from going on killing sprees or killing themselves. Seriously they threaten losing morality simply because theres no afterlife/god enforcing it. Its probably the most infantile arguement I've heard FOR god.

regardless if 'the universe' was created by some people making a quantum computer for whatever reason you'd need one the size of a universe to calculate. you can speculate on what its meaning is.

But if the universe is a ...harddrive and life is its data, it probably hasn't even finished booting up yet.

Remember the universe 3rd space being containing inside a black hole, time inside passes much ... faster to almost stopping outside the hole. so the eons since the universe started isn't really that long outside the universe, where theres different time, and quite likely by design the universe wouldn't really have any extractable data until it collapses at its end.

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Post #523911 - Reply to (#523646) by Myuym
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I see a lot of people talking about "believing" in evolution. I like Mr. Darwin, read the book.

It really amazes me the fact that many think science=evolution. If you study, you will realize that the theory of evolution has a lot of cracks and that the evolutionists themselves have become a religion. I don't understand how they still teach it at schools as an absolute truth. And Darwin wasn't as proud as that, IT'S A THEORY, he was very clear about that.

Regarding religion... it sucks. Because, well, as everything else people are involved and we aren't holy, so nothing we do can be.

I recomend reading "The Screwtape Letters" by CS Lewis. I believe as he does.


You have no idea what a theory is it seems.
http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm


I think you've just proven my point with your link. It's exactly what I said. It's a theory, not a fact. Did I say something different? And that's what I don't agree with, people treating it as if it were a fact and thinking closed-mindedly that because you believe in it you're scientifically correct and more intelligent than others.

That's my whole point. Believing in this or that doesn't make you smarter or dumber. It doesn't give people the right to call others stupid because they don't believe in a certain theory, which isn't a fact.

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I see a lot of people talking about "believing" in evolution. I like Mr. Darwin, read the book.

It really amazes me the fact that many think science=evolution. If you study, you will realize that the theory of evolution has a lot of cracks and that the evolutionists themselves have become a religion. I don't understand how they still teach it at schools as an absolute truth. And Darwin wasn't as proud as that, IT'S A THEORY, he was very clear about that.

Regarding religion... it sucks. Because, well, as everything else people are involved and we aren't holy, so nothing we do can be.

I recomend reading "The Screwtape Letters" by CS Lewis. I believe as he does.


You have no idea what a theory is it seems.
http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm


I think you've just proven my point with your link. It's exactly what I said. It's a theory, not a fact. Did I say something different? And that's what I don't agree with, people treating it as if it were a fact and thinking closed-mindedly that because you believe in it you're scientifically correct and more intelligent than others.

That's my whole point. Believing in this or that doesn't make you smarter or dumber. It doesn't give people the right to call others stupid because they don't believe in a certain theory, which isn't a fact.


The point is that a hypothesis is only elevated to the level of a theory when there is enough evidence to suggest that it is a fact. In fact, if it weren't so logistically difficult to meet the requirements, it would likely be a law at this point. It's essentially "absolute truth" as far as can be proven within the limitations of modern science, so presenting it in schools as the system supports seems to be the logical course of action.

That is what you're failing to walk away with. We've moved beyond a "belief" level, which is why in the vast majority of the industrialized world this has ceased to be a debate. Because, let's be honest, the only staunch opponents are those who take religious texts literally, despite the fact that as recent as a thousand years ago all story was essentially intended as allegory. Religious texts in general are allegory. They're made to be interpreted, not seen as records, so evolution is entirely compatible.


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I see a lot of people talking about "believing" in evolution. I like Mr. Darwin, read the book.

It really amazes me the fact that many think science=evolution. If you study, you will realize that the theory of evolution has a lot of cracks and that the evolutionists themselves have become a religion. I don't understand how they still teach it at schools as an absolute truth. And Darwin wasn't as proud as that, IT'S A THEORY, he was very clear about that.

Regarding religion... it sucks. Because, well, as everything else people are involved and we aren't holy, so nothing we do can be.

I recomend reading "The Screwtape Letters" by CS Lewis. I believe as he does.


if you like mr. darwin you should read mr. dawkins too.then you will see that evolution is actually a proven fact.with a lot of prove.
a scientific theory is only allowed to call itself thus if it is proven
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I wouldn't like to read Dawkins book, he just targets creationists (according to the summary) I don't even know in detail what the creationists arguments are, so I wouldn't be interested in a book that tries to crumble those arguments. And yeah, I know that a theory is the best explanation we have up until now for x phenomenon, but it just that, as any other theory, it isn't a fact. It doesn't turn you into a stupid person just because you think that there's possibly something that we haven't yet learned or seen.
It's like people believing in Galileo's relativity theory, but now we have Einstein's. Still, it's just the best explanation. Even Einstein welcomed people to disprove his theory. So thinking of something as a fact is just cockiness. Now, if someone mentions faith, there's nothing to say about that.

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I see a lot of people talking about "believing" in evolution. I like Mr. Darwin, read the book.

It really amazes me the fact that many think science=evolution. If you study, you will realize that the theory of evolution has a lot of cracks and that the evolutionists themselves have become a religion. I don't understand how they still teach it at schools as an absolute truth. And Darwin wasn't as proud as that, IT'S A THEORY, he was very clear about that.

Regarding religion... it sucks. Because, well, as everything else people are involved and we aren't holy, so nothing we do can be.

I recomend reading "The Screwtape Letters" by CS Lewis. I believe as he does.


You have no idea what a theory is it seems.
http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm


I think you've just proven my point with your link. It's exactly what I said. It's a theory, not a fact. Did I say something different? And that's what I don't agree with, people treating it as if it were a fact and thinking closed-mindedly that because you believe in it you're scientifically correct and more intelligent than others.

That's my whole point. Believing in this or that doesn't make you smarter or dumber. It doesn't give people the right to call others stupid because they don't believe in a certain theory, which isn't a fact.


The point is that a hypothesis is only elevated to the level of a theory when there is enough evidence to suggest that it is a fact. In fact, if it weren't so logistically difficult to meet the requirements, it would likely be a law at this point. It's essentially "absolute truth" as far as can be proven within the limitations of modern science, so presenting it in schools as the system supports seems to be the logical course of action.

That is what you're failing to walk away with. We've moved beyond a "belief" level, which is why in the vast majority of the industrialized world this has ceased to be a debate. Because, let's be honest, the only staunch opponents are those who take religious texts literally, despite the fact that as recent as a thousand years ago all story was essentially intended as allegory. Religious texts in general are allegory. They're made to be interpreted, not seen as records, so evolution is entirely compatible.



Yeah, but still. I think it's closed minded to think of it as a fact. I quote "Any scientific theory or hypothesis must be proved first possible, then probable, then certain. To be a possible theory, it must be reconcilable with many facts; to be a probable theory, it must be reconcilable with many more; to be a certain and proven theory, it must be reconcilable with ALL the facts. Whenever it is irreconcilable with any fact, it should be rejected, as it can not be a true theory."

So what about Mendel's Inheritance Law? How does that fact reconcile with the theory of evolution?

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Trey21
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12:29 am, Feb 21 2012
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people say evolution is just a theory well so is gravity and to this day it hasn't been proved wrong I tried walking on the wall next to me the results were painfully obvious eyes

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people say evolution is just a theory well so is gravity and to this day it hasn't been proved wrong I tried walking on the wall next to me the results were painfully obvious eyes


eeeeeeeh. Gravity IS a law not a theory.

Or where you joking by saying that it's a theory? If so, I don't get it.

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Gravity has both a law and a theory, they are not mutually exclusive.


So true, but was the example given just about the attraction between two objects (law)? or the why they were attracted (theory)? smile wink grin

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Post #525194 - Reply to (#525189) by ashi
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people say evolution is just a theory well so is gravity and to this day it hasn't been proved wrong I tried walking on the wall next to me the results were painfully obvious eyes


eeeeeeeh. Gravity IS a law not a theory.

Or where you joking by saying that it's a theory? If so, I don't get it.


Gravity has both a law and a theory, they are not mutually exclusive.


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10:36 pm, Feb 25 2012
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I wasn´t raised with a religion. My mom wanted us to choose one we liked when we grow up. In the result, only 1 of my siblings is Roman Catholic, the rest are non-religious people, exept my aunts and cousins, they´re all Catholic.

I think there is a god. But whatever his nature, or agenda are - we will never be able to understand it. We´re just a blink of an eye in Earths history, how could a small species like ours solve a mystery like the reason why we are here and where we´re going, who or what the entity is that is responsible for the existence of this or other universes, or think it gave us rules, TALKS to us, punishes us, expect us to do particular things, or makes us behave after some rituals. This whole thing with god too big to even think about it so i concentrate only on one thing - to be a good person. There are no other rules.

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5:35 am, Feb 26 2012
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I grew up without a religious influence, so like most in my position, I am not religious. Religion makes me laugh. smile

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11:17 am, Feb 29 2012
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Different type of people have different type of culture. I like Hindu culture. In this culture people go to temple for worship. people celebrate many festival like diwali, holi, rakshbandahan and so on. Hindu people have kind, honest and co-operative.

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Christian. And studying in a Christian school. XD

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Buddhism ,love it smile

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10:49 pm, Mar 24 2012
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I'm Muslim and proud of it. I don't wear the hajib but I am respectful of those who do.

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I'm baptist and a fundamentalist, praise the Lord.

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Religion is offensive to logic.

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