size is a problem too. that may be too big. You need something like the motors they use in RC cars; that goldenmotor site wasnt bad. If u use such a big motor might as well just make these; http://artofdesign.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/motorised_roller blades.JPG

we are not going to wear that!!!!!!!
lol
thats huge

XD, I saw a video of some guy riding that! It looked disgusting. But anyway, I talked to my friend and he's going to try a blueprint for us. I already know it won't look exactly like the AT's, but it'll be a nice prototype.

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in america it depends speed limits are like country roads 35 mph cities are like 20 -40 tops highways normally 55- 70 (max) but i have herd in some places signs being (drive at own risk) (sorry double post)

@ikki-san
is your friend an engineer
tell him to make blue prints but it doesn't have to look like the air trek in the anime tell him that he could make it bulky
and it doesn't have to be in-wheel and it doesn't have to be small motor we could stick the motor at the side of the skate.....
but not as big as this
http://artofdesign.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/motorised_roller blades.JPG
lol





btw wall ride is not impossible if our air trek have enough power we could do the wall ride its not impossible believe me!!!!!!!!
I saw a video from video zonkers that motorcyle and cars are running on a concave shape wall....
but I don't think its possible in a plain wall

That's completely different, that's like doing a loop. That wouldn't give AT's any trouble but going straight up a flat surface even with rotations and any other tricks you wanna try, it won't work. You simply can't put pressure on a vertical wall cause it would just push u off the wall, and unfortunately, without pressure your wheels won't have enough friction to propel u up the wall. This is of course because gravity only goes down and not sideways. Without a force continuously pushing you against the wall there will be no traction.

Now a problem with mounting a motor on the side is that;
1-It would be awkward having something sticking out on the side and it would get in the way during tricks.
2-It would demand an entire customization of the skates, they would have to be made of metal to make sure the frame of the skate can hold a motor and not have it ripped off the bloody skate every time fall or hit it against a rail or something.
3-once again, if it were chain driven, it would be more dangerous, the chain would get in the way during grind and if the chain were to get jammed while cruising down the street the results could be lethal.

As with an in-wheel motor AKA hub motor;
1-it doesn't take up extra room.
2-it won't jam because of debris on the road.
3-your left with more room to attach the batteries.
etc.

Also just so you guys know i have a page here with a motor listed measuring just under 5" or 12cm diameter and 5cm width, it requires a 12v-24v power supply which could be supplied by some higher voltage laptop batteries, power output is 75W, speed(rpm) 1600, current is 10.2 A. There are more powerful ones, in fact the next step up has a power output of 180W and needs a 24v power supply, it's speed is doubled unfortunately it's 6" in diameter. We could use it but i don't know where we could get a power supply for it that would fit on the skates, so we would need back packs and we would have to use 2 different sized wheels so that they would still fit on a rollerblade. Thank you mcblaise for bringing up the pancake motors, otherwise i wouldn't have found these. Now these aren't in-wheel motors but they could be with some slight modifications. They are called printed motors.

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so...........
our plan is to make not in-wheel??
that would be great!!!
we could modify it later

Hey, I'm fine with that. I'd rather start somewhere than nowhere. By the way tokuin, can I get the link to that page you were talking about. I wanna show my friend so he can get a starting idea on the blueprint.

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is these what your talking about
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/205667077/DC_Printed_arm ature_motors.html
and this
http://www.printedmotorworks.com/

yes those are the same thing but the ones i found are on the golden motor website. now i have a couple ideas on how to use these, if we use one motor on each skate, it would have to be pretty strong. I still think in-wheel is the best way to go, so with that in mind, we could make the axle stationary modify the power cables so that they dont wrap around the axle and make it so that the motor spins instead of the axle. Or we could use two smaller printed motors. stay with me on this one, if the two motors are facing each other and u put a wheel in between them, you would have them working together to propel that wheel. To do this, all u have to do is, on one of the motors, reverse the negative and the positive power cables. This will cause the axle of that motor to spin in a different direction. However, to fit these on a skate would demand some major modifications to the bottom of the skate and could compromise the structural integrity, because the wheel with the motor would be much wider than the one without. But if we were to use a 6" in-wheel motor with a 4" normal wheel on each skate and lowered the axle for the normal wheel, your wheels would still be level. If you don't quite understand my dual motor idea, don't worry I'll probably make a 3D image and post it. That's if it is even possible to post images on this forum?

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http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm465/air_gear143/sc2_49 .jpg
the maker of that motor is also the maker of le wheel motor



message to tokuin:
you say it would be dangerous..
BUT we could trick the authority or the government .....whatever you think that would stop us we could show them an air trek with a speed that would be suitable for the speed limits in streets.................
or we could show them faster air trek and let them make rules about using them WHO CARES if they make rules......if we succed,do you think they could catch us??
just think about drag racer who breaks speed limit rules and sometimes escaping from cops, cars are more larger than air trek"if cars could do it we also could"
we could follow them,or just think about the game "NEED FOR SPEED MOST WANTED"

you cannot look at a video game or an anime and think "I can do that" it just doesn't happen that way. the reason games and anime are so popular is because they let us touch things that we could never hope accomplish in real life. You doubt they could catch us if we were on AT's but your just underestimating authority. When your outnumbered by cops, it doesn't matter how fast you go, they will catch you. A runner can tackle you to the ground before you even see them. They'll cut you off when you come out of an alley or they'll chase you till your battery dies. Saying you'll run is just irresponsible. If they had all these rules and laws for AT's that also means the ones you buy from stores will be seriously under powered, and you would not be ABLE to go over the speed limit so that also punches a hole in your plan. The only way to have AT's that go faster than 20mph, is to build them yourself. Also cars are a lot less dangerous than a high powered transportation devices that you wear on your feet. You can't fall off a car, you can't grind rails, you can't perform wall rides, you could try and hit jumps but you might get arrested for it.

The fact is your losing sight of what we want to accomplish with these, we want to go faster right? So let's work together and build them so they can push us faster. We have several options, some of which can be found almost anywhere. Now let's stop arguing about the future and make our prototypes now. If anyone wants to work with me my e-mail is Bonfield_beaver@hotmail.com




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Look im BRAND NEW created today. i love the anime, i dream every night of having a pair of air treks.

i love idea that your making them, im 100% behind you. but really money wise for the start. you will need A LOT. gradually they will get so popular they will be the method of transport. take for instance cars. sure their expensive, but look what their made out of they weight more then 1000kg... of junk. take that away. take the polution away. their u have the future system of transport. once popular air treks will cost maybe. 1000 a pair of fully built ones.. im not right i live in a single story house, but $1000 can easily be paid by the population. hold of a birthday and get AT's as a joint gift. Gettinga pair of wheels for them after all will be $200 (since they have the motor if they break down.)

breaking and accelerating. wearinga pair of rollerblades. you push off, what do you use? well of course the front of your foot, the toes. breaking, the back, the heel. have button pads specifically front of the AT is for acceleration and the back button pad for breaking. Acceleration would go to. well how much pressure you put down.

in current day game consoles. eg PS3 the controllers buttons a pressure sensored. play a racing game, put a slight amount of pressure and the car goes rought 30km/h, push it all the way down, shoot off to 300km/h. how big are the sensor and control mechanisms? tiny!

power supply. current day Formula 1 cars have a special storage of kinetic energy they create from the friction of the breaking systems. match one of these with a battery pack and well. the battery will be small, able to be easily carried. also make the power pack rechargable. recharge it with kenetic energy so it lasts longer.

i also forgot to state the stationary state. well as i said before with the pads for acceleration and breaking. the break pad will be at the back. where is all the body weight pressure focused when standing still? the heel of your foot.

a way in which to fit all this into a small inline skate.. is a problem, no doubt attainable.

being able to jump will have to use hard suspension. preferably spring. when pressure applied the strings will contract and tighten, attemt a jump they expand giving extra force.

engines.. unfortunately i have no idea.. im only 15. im not sure of anything that small with such power.

with the pressure pad i stated, u will have no need for gears/transmission and clutch since its all on 1 straight gear. less shifting gears gives longer lasting durability.

i know this is a long post but....... DAMMIT ITS MY DREAM!

sorry if their any spelling mistakes and the structure is all over the place, but read it properly and you'll work it out.






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So, has anyone made any blueprints (based on real equipment... not what's shown in the anime)? Is it decided to use le wheel motor, or are you using these pancake motors? Does anybody even know if the pancake motors are strong enough?

first off all what justice said has already been said, we are way past that point. Also ive said before but if ur new, go back and read the last 3-4 pages. But he's wrong about one thing, u don't land on ur heels, that would be a big mistake especially during high jumps. You land on your toes to slow the impact with the ground, if u land on ur heels you'll end up like me with a broken ankle. now the problem with this is that it will activate the motor, this shouldn't cause too many problems unless u are going relatively slow during your jump. The alternative of landing on ur heels (which i don't suggest) will cause you to brake and do a flip. Now the only way to really solve this problem of the motor activating is to attach a cut off switch to stop the power flow so when u land u don't get a burst of speed and land on ur ass. now unfortunately that would make the pressure censor pointless so we might as well go with the hand controls., which are problematic in there own way but don't pose any threats to our health. If you wanna be a daredevil like me, use a pressure censor but don't use a high torque motor or you will land on your ass every time u land. You don't need to accelerate quickly just as long as you can reach higher speeds, torque would on be useful for starting from 0mph but since there skates you don't need torque, uy can use your leg muscles instead. sorry if I'm rambling i don't have time to proof read im in a hurry.

Now to answer jay. The pancake motors i found are specifically for electric motor vehicles but that doesn't mean u can use any pancake motor, you'll have to do some research before u purchase a set of motors. For the ones i found, go on goldenmotor.com and click printed motor on the side bar.

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