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NEXTLOVER
Post #479140
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11:10 pm, Jun 29 2011
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Dude, if his heart ain't in it, then no way can he get his p e n i s up for when he finally loses his virginity. Seriously! It's an ugly truth, but at least he's honest with himself. So every one would rather he deceive the... uh, the good girl (forgot her name) & pretend he likes her due to the social pressure he's under?
She's a boring broad, sorry to say :/

He's one of those few protagonist characters that's willing to be honest. Y'know what? That's hard to come by these days...

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Post #479145 - Reply to (#479123) by Dorchet
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Okay, first, icethegreat, firestalker, and tactics, I had thought we were kinda on the same wavelength during our ch. 140 discussion, but I can see that I am way off your wavelength.

The break-up was handled poorly. I mean, have you ever been on the receiving end of a break-up like that? I have and it hurts like hell, yes Asuka is really broken up over her first boyfriend, but she has every right to be if he throws her away like garbage after 2 years together.

And I completely agree with Kiyomi, Nanami, Akari and whatever his name is. He dumped the perfect girlfriend for the bitch that nearly ruined his life. Don't get me wrong, I liked Eba, at first. But after what she did to Haruto, I never wanted to see her again. But she keeps rearing her ugly head.

I know I should've seen this coming, but I can't help but think, "What the HELL are you doing, Kouji?"
Seriously, why destroy something so perfect?

Anyway, my rant is over, sorry about that.


Well, I might not agree with you on the break-up [I think Asuka stopped him short of his speech], but I do agree with on the other stuff.

He's nuts for going with the crazy bitch over the sweet, perfect girl.

Just saying.

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Okay, first, icethegreat, firestalker, and tactics, I had thought we were kinda on the same wavelength during our ch. 140 discussion, but I can see that I am way off your wavelength.

The break-up was handled poorly. I mean, have you ever been on the receiving end of a break-up like that? I have and it hurts like hell, yes Asuka is really broken up over her first boyfriend, but she has every right to be if he throws her away like garbage after 2 years together.

And I completely agree with Kiyomi, Nanami, Akari and whatever his name is. He dumped the perfect girlfriend for the bitch that nearly ruined his life. Don't get me wrong, I liked Eba, at first. But after what she did to Haruto, I never wanted to see her again. But she keeps rearing her ugly head.

I know I should've seen this coming, but I can't help but think, "What the HELL are you doing, Kouji?"
Seriously, why destroy something so perfect?

Anyway, my rant is over, sorry about that.


I see what your coming from, but all I was trying to say that all of Harutos friends are gonna betray him because of a break-up. They are too naive and way too inexperienced to understand Harutos feelings. They dont want a proper breakup they want to force Haruto and Asuka back together. None of them have even been on a date let alone had a boyfriend/girlfriend. I understand them being dissapointed and mad. I also understand how u can hate Eba. But I think its incredibly stupid for Harutos childhood friends to excommunicate with him because of a breakup. Asuka has every right to be mad or sad. But the friends are going way too overboard.

I also believe Haruto was good for making a decision and sticking with it. The breakup did seem way too abrupt, but mangas dont always show every single detail of the story. Also, Asuka was easily my favorite character; But I read so much manga that I dont take anything to heart or personally in any story anymore. I do think it sucks that they brokeup, but I quickly got over it.

P.S. When is Nanami gonna make her move. She said she wasnt gonna give up on him. But shes no where to be found.

Another thing, Haruto seems to have a stubborn personality, which helped him bounce back after repeatedly getting rejected. It is for that reason he never let Eba go, he was aware Eba was trying hard to stop troubling him. But everytime she would try to leave him alone, he would draw closer. The reason they are together is because Harutos unwillingnesss to let her go. Not her being a manipulating bitch. But I still can understand why so many fans dont like Eba anymore

Dorchet
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12:59 am, Jun 30 2011
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Okay, first to tactics, the drama is awesome, I totally agree I love good drama and romance.

And yes, I would do exactly what Haruto's friends have done. In fact, I have. In order to not make myself out to be a complete jackass, I will elaborate. I had a friend who was dating a guy a year younger than her. When she went off to college she stayed together with him (long distance) but got together with another guy. So when she found out he wanted to go to her school, she dumped him. Shortly after that, the other guy dumped her, claiming he only wanted to sleep with her. If that wasn't bad enough, three weeks later, she was back with him. So she dumped the best guy for her, and got with a scumbag, twice. So yeah, I no longer speak to her.
That anecdote also goes to Icethegreat.

Second, to firestalker, I see where you're coming from, but when you've been on the receiving end of mostly bad break-ups you'd understand how I feel about that break-up. But this isn't about my horrible luck with relationships.
And I'm glad we agree that he was stupid to leave Asuka for the bitch.

And finally to Icethegreat, I agree that Haruto is admirable for making a decision and sticking to it, but I hate him for trying to play the nice guy to the hilt. There is no way that playing the nice guy in that situation could lead to anything good.
Also, Nanami is completely out of the running, she probably hates him now too.
And I see where you're coming from about Haruto's stubborness, but Eba lead him around the nose in the beginning, and then as soon as she wanted to leave, she dropped him hard and sent him spiraling into depression.

God d*mn it, me and my fricking essays, sorry about the wordage here.

FormX
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2:03 am, Jun 30 2011
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Why is everyone's posts so long. Not gonna read them.

This is Seo Kouji's style. He finishes it with the girl he started with. Enough said.

Personally I think he did it in a lame way. But it's romance we're talking about here.

Go read Suzuka if you hadn't.



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Dorchet
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Quote from FormX
Why is everyone's posts so long. Not gonna read them.

This is Seo Kouji's style. He finishes it with the girl he started with. Enough said.

Personally I think he did it in a lame way. But it's romance we're talking about here.

Go read Suzuka if you hadn't.



well, most people won't read them, but those of us still carrying over the discussion from last chapter will, we might be a little to serious about this.

But Kouji is pissing me off, I know this is his style, but he could at least handle the break-up properly.

akitsukikun
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4:02 am, Jun 30 2011
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Kiyomi should have used bitch slap.

firestalker
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Quote from FormX
Why is everyone's posts so long. Not gonna read them.

This is Seo Kouji's style. He finishes it with the girl he started with. Enough said.

Personally I think he did it in a lame way. But it's romance we're talking about here.

Go read Suzuka if you hadn't.



You know some authors/writers change their style around as they progress professionally. But, unfortunately, Seo Kouji seems to like his little niche and is intent on running it into the ground apparently.

Saying something is some one's "style" is not an excuse for bad storytelling.

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First things first. Haruto is mainly at fault for not being honest w/ everyone (including himself). He plays things to close to the vest and doesn't get emotional. B/c he was disingenuous w/ his feelings everyone was blindsided by his decision.

Still, I'm glad he weathered the storm and took the tongue lashings he got like a man. Old Haruto would've just caved in apologized to Asuka, or ignored his feelings and eventually be browbeaten back into his filler relationship w/ Asuka.

My main problem w/ this chapter though was the hypocrisy of Akari, Takashi and even my sweet sweet Nanami. they were so ready to be Mother Teresa and forgive Yuzuki when Haruto was being played for a fool, but then he mishandles a break up and they're ready to throw away a lifetime of friendship.

And I'd hate to have bros like Takashi. Betraying your best friend at the behest of some one-dimensional piece of ass (Kiyomi), and your harpy childhood friend (Akari) is just low.

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11:31 am, Jun 30 2011
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I really liked Asuka and I do think that he ended things in a bad way with her but I just can't see how staying with someone you don't love in order not to hurt their feeling would be the right thing to do... in the end the both of them would have been hurt by this relationship if it kept on going

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Quote from Criminal Intent
First things first. Haruto is mainly at fault for not being honest w/ everyone (including himself). He plays things to close to the vest and doesn't get emotional. B/c he was disingenuous w/ his feelings everyone was blindsided by his decision.

Still, I'm glad he weathered the storm and took the tongue lashings he got like a man. Old Haruto would've just caved in apologized to Asuka, or ignored his feelings and eventually be browbeaten back into his filler relationship w/ Asuka.

My main problem w/ this chapter though was the hypocrisy of Akari, Takashi and even my sweet sweet Nanami. they were so ready to be Mother Teresa and forgive Yuzuki when Haruto was being played for a fool, but then he mishandles a break up and they're ready to throw away a lifetime of friendship.

And I'd hate to have bros like Takashi. Betraying your best friend at the behest of some one-dimensional piece of ass (Kiyomi), and your harpy childhood friend (Akari) is just low.



You know Criminal Intent, I agree with you on almost every point you've made. Haruto does play things too close to the vest, and you're right that the Old Haruto would have caved under the tongue lashings. He really has matured.
But the one thing I don't agree with is that Takashi isn't doing this to please Kiyomi or because Akari told him too. Takashi agrees with the girls that Haruto didn't handle that right. He doesn't think that getting back with Eba is a good idea considering everything she did to him, and now all the trouble they caused for Asuka.

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1:42 pm, Jun 30 2011
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I seriously don't understand why everyone is hating on Haruto for this. I think he behaved like an honest good guy. He broke up horribly?? What the hell? He simply explained that with his current feelings it would be best for the both of them to be apart. That's obvious right? What everyone is saying is that he should be with one girl while loving another? That'd be despicable.

I'm sort of happy he's back with Eba. Sure she made some bad decisions but she did it because she thought she had to be there since the guy was about to die. The thing she should have done was explain things which she didn't and indeed it created quite an unnecessary mess. But I think that now there's no problem in them being together. They both loved each other from way back so why not.

I never thought he'd have the guts to end things up like he did. I respect him more for it.

Damn I just found this author recently but I'm loving his work. Kimi is probably my favorite romance (even though I dislike some things in the story like that girl in tokyo who tricked him and stuff. happily Seo Kouji understood the mistake and she hasn't appeared in a while) and I'm in the middle of Suzuka which is also very good.

mdmunoz
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1:51 pm, Jun 30 2011
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I think the two sides of the story are people who have read it from the beginning and wait, week by week, for a chapter. these people I have realize start to hate Eba. While if you reread Kimi or have recently started it. this manga is a fast read where your still head over heels for Eba(In my case Nanami and the chef girl).
But Break ups are messy, I think this break up was as good as you were gonna get.

Dorchet
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I seriously don't understand why everyone is hating on Haruto for this. I think he behaved like an honest good guy. He broke up horribly?? What the hell? He simply explained that with his current feelings it would be best for the both of them to be apart. That's obvious right? What everyone is saying is that he should be with one girl while loving another? That'd be despicable.

I'm sort of happy he's back with Eba. Sure she made some bad decisions but she did it because she thought she had to be there since the guy was about to die. The thing she should have done was explain things which she didn't and indeed it created quite an unnecessary mess. But I think that now there's no problem in them being together. They both loved each other from way back so why not.

I never thought he'd have the guts to end things up like he did. I respect him more for it.

Damn I just found this author recently but I'm loving his work. Kimi is probably my favorite romance (even though I dislike some things in the story like that girl in tokyo who tricked him and stuff. happily Seo Kouji understood the mistake and she hasn't appeared in a while) and I'm in the middle of Suzuka which is also very good.


Just to defend my stance, I don't hate Haruto, I hate how he handled everything. And he didn't properly explain to Asuka the situation. All he said was that he wanted to go out with someone else. He didn't explain his feelings at all. That is despicable. And I can't see how he could just stop caring about the girl he was in love with for 2 years, I could never do that. Haruto's problem is that he buries his feelings when it comes time for him to do something difficult, so he tries to play the nice guy and be as kind as possible, but some times that hurts more.

And mdmunoz, you're right. This discussion is pretty much populated by those of us who've been there since the start, or close to it. Also most break-ups are messy, but they don't have to be. If Haruto explained his feelings properly, the break-up could have gone better. He probably would've been b*tch slapped though.

claudiofd
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2:26 pm, Jun 30 2011
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@Dorchet Well yes maybe Haruto could have explained things more thoroughly but he said the truth - he likes another girl - which means that he can no longer be in a relationship with Asuka and then apologized. Probably if he explained things more carefully it would've been more painful for her, so he just said the general truth and didn't need to say any more. Imagine how painful it would be for Asuka if she had to hear how he fell back in love with Eba after being with her for just some moments, how that made him question his relationship. Despicable would be if he lied, or if he was rough while breaking up.

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