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MangaStream Drops VIZ Media Licensed Series

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maine12329
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1:41 pm, Feb 12 2012
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Faith in humanity lost.

ink junkie
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2:21 pm, Feb 12 2012
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This is sad news, I'll admit, but this changes little. Let's see you keep up with the entire online anime and manga community, Viz.

T1
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2:26 pm, Feb 12 2012
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So...I guess scanlators screaming, trolling, watermarking couldn't do anything in the end. Oh well, that's what you get when you got online mangareaders posting "free manga at mangafox" as ads everywhere on the net.

Manga isn't free, you know...yes, yes, I know you pay for the electricity, the computer and the net to read your manga on the net but still...that's not how you buy your manga.

Welcome to the future you deserve, fuckers. Go thank websites like mangafox for letting the companies know that scanlation is a threat to them and they should just sue our asses if we don't drop the titles. biggrin

Anyway glad I learned japanese enough to read raws...woooooot~

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Post #539378 - Reply to (#539376) by ink junkie
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Actually they can only keep up with the titles they release...cuz viz owned by three of Japan's largest creators and licensors of manga and animation, Shueisha Inc., Shogakukan Inc., and Shogakukan-Shueisha Productions, Co., Ltd.

So yes they can sue your ass for their titles only.
Now if the other companies start doing the same then...ouch my balls >.<

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Post #539379 - Reply to (#539375) by maine12329
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Was there any faith to begin with? O.o

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Post #539380 - Reply to (#539370) by YamiRi
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GO FIND OUT WHO VIZ MEDIA IS!!!

I guess this is also one of the reason why they sue people >.>

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Post #539381 - Reply to (#539368) by auriga
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You know it would be damn funny to see you telling that to VIZ face to face.

illegal means illegal, it doesn't mean that it's fine to do it sometimes and sometimes not. They shutdown cuz they got enough. Kinda like how scanlators are warning you to stop supporting mangafox and you don't give a crap, and then they stop scanlating the shit or start putting watermarks on it.^^

I bet ya, MS is the first to get that heavy a threat but won't be the last one. >.>

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Post #539382 - Reply to (#539367) by Saracin
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Ya, but the problem is that until China doesn't join ACTA/SOPA/PIPA/EAR they can't really do anything about mangareaders placed in China like mangafox^^

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Post #539383 - Reply to (#539365) by derpMonster
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Internet has borders, Japan showed that with the Rapelay incident. biggrin

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Post #539384 - Reply to (#539361) by RevanRevanchist
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You do know that if they drop too much then they will just drop the title but since it's owned by Owned by three of Japan's largest creators and licensors of manga and animation, Shueisha Inc., Shogakukan Inc., and Shogakukan-Shueisha Productions, Co., Ltd. so if the titles drops too much even in japan they just axe the title, like they usually do.

Lord Jure
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2:57 pm, Feb 12 2012
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Alright, just what is wrong with you all?

Hoping that sales of VIZ's manga will drop because of this? VIZ is a business company that release manga (among other things) in english language. Unless you understand Japanese, you should be glad companies like VIZ exist and be glad that they release a good quality products. Yes, their releases are in much better quality than any scanlations you have seen, they also started releasing few weekly titles only 3 weeks after they are released in Japan. Even though it's only available online in USA, it's still a considerable improvement. Despite what anyone else say, they ARE trying. As for their printed releases, yeah you have to wait few months for new volume. But guess what, so does everyone in Japan. VIZ release most of their ongoing manga at same pace as in Japan, but 1-3 volumes behind. People who think VIZ should hire scanlators because they are fast are fucking retards. If VIZ could and would want to release manga faster, than they would do it.

Despite whatever you think, Mangastream has NO RIGHT to release scanlations of any VIZ titles. VIZ paid money to have rights to produce and release manga on english language. Mangastream did not. That means, if VIZ tells mangastream to stop it, they didn't do it because they are cheap bastards who are just after money, because they want to bully scanlators or because they don't want competition (seriously, this last one is just ridiculous). They are enforcing their god damn rights.

There are also people who say that VIZ should go after manga reader sites and not after TRUE jump fans. First of all, I think that "true" Jump fans actually buy and spend money on merchandise related to series runing in Jump. So, unless you have bought a manga volume or anime DVD or even a console game, you are full of shit. Secondly, VIZ did go after manga reader sites. But it's sites like those that are actual greedy bastards that you should hate. VIZ is not the bad guy, manga reading sites are the bad guys, because they earn money from scanlatins. Most of manga reader sites decided to simply ignore VIZ's demands. Mangastream did the right thing.

People who are actually mad because of this are people who wouldn't pay a single dollar even if somehow all scanlations magically dissapear and only way to read newest chapter of manga they like is to pay money and read it either online or on paper. I am pretty certain that even if VIZ manage to release whole WSJ magazine only an hour after it's released in Japan, fully translated, in perfect quality and only 2$, most people wouldn't bother paying those 2$ a week just to read that. So yeah, don't be full of shit and demand improvement, when you don't plan to actually support manga industry.

Scans of all those titles are still easy to find online for free, even without mangastream releasing them. Not to mention that there will probably bew few new groups, trying to gain some popularity by releasing those.

Sure, VIZ is no perfect, but all this hate is complete bullshit from immature and cheap pirates. It would be great if their online reader have more titles and is available worldwide. Not to mention if their printed releases get a dollar or two cheaper. Also, I hope they reprint some of their volumes that are impossible to find anymore. I am no saint eather. I read bunch of manga, but only buy a selected few. The rest of them, I download for free. But at least I am not bitching like a little girl every time I am denied my free fun, because that fun was not supposed to be free in the first place.

I said what I wanted to say, I am now out of here.

brigee88
Post #539386 - Reply to (#539370) by YamiRi
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3:18 pm, Feb 12 2012
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... oh my gosh. i don't blame viz at all if there are people like you

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Post #539387 - Reply to (#539385) by Lord Jure
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3:19 pm, Feb 12 2012
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A+ post.

Too bad the forum you chose to post it in is filled with mostly silly posters who can't see further than their own noses.

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auriga
Post #539388 - Reply to (#539381) by T1
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Tell them that they are afraid to compete? I would, actually. Not like they can do anything to me, lol.

Yes, it is illegal; I already said that. There are no exceptions, no double standards. Am I sad because of this news? Yes. HOWEVER since I choose to read scanlations I understand that this is part and parcel of the illegal scanlation community. Viz has every right to tell MangaStream to stop and MangaStream did good by following suit.

But it doesn't change the fact that Viz needs to do better.

Think about it: would Viz be this aggressive if they were making a lot of money? Or we can look at it this way: if Viz is making a lot of money, that means their services satisfy their customers; If customers are satisfied by Viz's services; would illegal scanlation groups like MangaStream be this active? I doubt.

I can't help but feel that Viz is sourgraping that some no-name amateurs who don't get paid are beating them at their game. But instead of modifying their business model to be able to compete better they choose to eliminate their competition. Well their competition is using illegal means so it's justified, but in the end this is just a temporary measure for Viz; If they really want to increase their profits and attract more customers in the long run they should suck it up and admit that they need to work harder.

And for the record... I don't even go to MangaFox unless my duties as a release mod require me to do so. Heck, I don't even read online. You can even read my opinion on watermarks and legal manga in the watermark news thread. bigrazz

Jeoxx
Post #539389 - Reply to (#539385) by Lord Jure
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3:30 pm, Feb 12 2012
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Untill the, quite frankly, stupid region restrictions on Manga, Anime, TV-shows, movies etc. is gone, there actually is a need for these "illegal" means to enjoy these products. The truth is that the laws that apply to this are horribly outdated, and new ones that are pushed for right now only make things worse for the online distribution. Instead of easing the access to these products in a legal way what is happening is that it gets harder and harder to buy/subscribe. The best would be for the publishers to simply have a subscription service which is available ANYWHERE and reasonably priced. I would happily pay up to maybe $30 a month for a service like that. The problem is laws that restrict growth (even if they claim to protect intellectual property, they do as much harm as they do good) and outdated business models and no real willingness to update them. As someone said earlier, this is the 21st century, time to figure out what actually benefits everyone! The best RIGHT NOW would be a good discussion between creators, publishers, customers... everyone connected to this really.

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