I'm just throwing this out here. >.<

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I'm going to chime in with a modification to the above.

I think the genre section should be locked after a certain number of changes (or by request), and then considered to be 'under review' to decide what the manga's specific genre(s) actually is(are), and then lock that chosen list of genres as permanent (unless evidence later surfaces to the contrary).

Maybe it could be locked after a set number of releases and/or when the series completes? After the first five chapters it's still hard to tell what's going to develop in the future, but after a while things do get more locked in place.

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yeah, we're more talking about putting a stop to things like "This isn't a romance" "yeah it is" *change change change change change*.

I wouldn't see any of this really coming into play until a series gets at least 2 or 3 volumes down the road and there can be a valid argument made. And perhaps until then, it should be locked as only the broadest of categories (like 'action shounen' for example), and can then be opened to further genre specifications.

Yeah, I was thinking one of the problems with locking it would be if new genres were made. Then, you wouldn't be able to add that genre to those manga anymore. Sure! the MU staff can do it but that's a lot of work and they have enough work as it is.

Sometimes groups release a whole series at once. If it's a shoujo series then all it'll really have is the genre shoujo or too many genres because people are trying to fit too many genres into that time frame.
Well, I hope I made sense.

Actually, we can already lock the genre (and every other field on the series page, including photo, author, description, etc)

For now though, you'll have to alert us to the series that just need to be locked down a little because too many people keep debating what the genre is

Just to clarify, admins can STILL edit the genre even if it's locked, so if we locked something wrong, tell us

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Maybe we should only get the completed scanlated series locked? Or if it's a long series, at least more than 4 volumes scanlated?

Determine which genres fit with the manga, and then lock the manga genre list, untill someone else disagrees and has strong and valid arguments to back it up.

Then a mod could change it, I guess.

I suggest that we at least start to evaluate the completed series. So you're more than welcome to give your opinion. ;D Let's start with the more known completed series like Death Note, so that everyone else can talk about it.

Right now, Death Note is under the genres;
Drama, Horror, Mystery, Psychological, Supernatural and Shounen.

Let me put up the definitions of those genres that MU decided upon:

Drama: A work meant to bring on an emotional response, such as instilling sadness or tension.

Horror: A painful emotion of fear, dread, and abhorrence; a shuddering with terror and detestation; the feeling inspired by something frightful and shocking.

Mystery: Usually an unexplained event occurs, and the main protagonist attempts to find out what caused it.

Psychological: Usually deals with the philosophy of a state of mind, in most cases detailing abnormal psychology.

Supernatural: Usually entails amazing and unexplained powers or events which defy the laws of physics.

Agree or disagree?

Well, there's no debate about Shounen, but judging by these definitions, I don't think that Drama and Horror fit with Death Note. >_>

I do think that Mature fits with Death Note;

Mature: Contains subject matter which may be too extreme for people under the age of 17. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

And Tragedy;

Tragedy: Contains events resulting in great loss and misfortune.


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I agree the Mature and Adult are slightly the same to me, and I don't really understand how the two are different from Smut when they deal with sexual content.

Most Hentai series have for genre : Adult, Hentai as a base, and then specifics such as Comedy, Drama, etc.
Should Yaoi series as well? Yaoi is quite self-explanatory in term of being Adult (although in certain case it's not), but Hentai as well.


While editing genres, I found a type of story that I had hard time to classify. These were stories with a little angst, but shortly resolved with comedy. And there was a comic relief character all along. I'm not sure whether that should be Drama, Comedy, or both.
Could a genre Tragicomedy could be added, or something along the line? You know, the kind of story which get really serious in the middle, but have a happy ending.

Drama only fits when the story ends sadly.
Comedy only fits when there's no angst in the middle.

Therefore I feel that it lacks a category for those stories which deals with both. Some authors are real specialists such as CLAMP with so far Chobits being under this category, but on Hiatus Clover looks as though it could be as well.
Josei and Seinen titles often deals with both angst and happy ending, so a new genre could really help.


Another probleme is that Doujinshi is now a Type as well as a Genre.

Doujinshi is defined on the genre page as:


IMHO, Doujinshi means a story privately published by a mangaka or a circle of.
Meaning it includes original doujins.
So what about Doujinshi as a Type refers to whether the story has been published by a publishing company (Manga), or by a mangaka himself (Doujinshi) and Doujinshi as Genre is switch to Fandom (Doujinshi) ? (or something, I'm no good with titles)

Either that or add a Original Doujinshi genre or type.
It's still important to know whether a story has been publish by an editor or self-published, it tells whether it's easy to find, and some author are more creative in their Doujins than their Mangas

Right now all doujin by NAONO Bohra have been mod-locked for Genre and Type, but they ARE Doujinshi even if they don't follow a fandom, and regardless of those, Renaitsuu -Akka- IS a Doujinshi of Renai tsuu

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I also think that Mature and Adult need better description or be substituted by something else, more concrete.

Smut is currently applied to Shoujo/Josei titles that have implied/actual sexual situations. These titles are not Hentai they are usually "Romance". Sometimes I see the tag applied to Yaoi, which basically means that there is not plot only sex. I think it could be removed, but there has to be a tag will imply non-explicit sexual content in a non-pornographic sense. "Smut" kind of sounds derogatory to imply that and the yaoi fans have it associated with completely different thing.

I'm not sure I understood correctly, but Yaoi is not Hentai. if you mean that, you are thinking in a broader term of pornography, this is not the case. I can think only one anthology where both Yaoi and Hentai could be applied. As for "adult" tag, almost all (if not all) of Yaoi is printed in magazines for 18+ audience, however I find the "Adult" tag to be problematic as the majority of yaoi don't have explicit sexual scenes.

I agree with term Tragicomedy if it will eliminate the Drama, Comedy combo tagging.

And I also agree with Doujinshi meaning self publication and not necessary "Fan based art inspired by official anime or manga." So I think splitting the genre into Fandom Doujinshi and Original Doujinshi would be nice.




I'm not so fond of Tragedy tag, because for one it get abused, for another, it's a huge spoiler for the series. I think Drama is enough.

Also I'm seeing Drama being implemented in Slice of Life sense way too often, with which i don't agree.

As for Slice of Life tag, should it really be applied to titles with strong "romance" or strong "comedy" focal point? Personally I don't think so, as I think it should be a tag for titles that focus mainly on character development and don't have any other specific orientation.

I understand the difference between Yaoi and Hentai as I read the former and not the latter.
What I meant is that Hentai titles are classified as Adult, Hentai, while Yaoi titles are usually classify as just Yaoi (even those with graphically explicit sexual content).
I usually consider that Yaoi is self-explanatory in term of content and that we don't need to add an Adult tag, but at the same time, Hentai is self-explanatory too, yet, there is an Adult tag to most titles.

Should I tag as Adult content obviously offensive to some (BDSM, etc), and as Mature titles with graphic sex content?
Yet I still don't really understand the line between those 2.
So far the Mature tag is mostly used for violence while Adult is used for sexual content, so what about renaming those Violence and Sexual Content? (Again, I'm really not good with coming up with names for genres)

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Oh now I see, yes I'm on the same boat with this one, mainly confused.

I don't really see the need for Adult tag on Hentai or Yaoi titles, it's redundant. I'm mostly seeing Adult tag reserved for titles that are neither Hentai nor Yaoi.

To tell the truth, the way it's classified now I don't really see the need for it at all. There is big confusion about Adult and Mature tags. From what I see most use Adult for sexual content and Mature for excessive violence and gore. And then you have yaoi, where sometimes you do need to warn the readers who are used to much more softcore situations or you will end with something like Love Prism, which isn't all that explicit, but disturbed many readers who weren't used to such topics. However I'm a bit skeptical about using the Mature tag for such incident, the word itself is associated with mental maturity rather than sexual content, so your average 13yo might think "oh well I'm mature, everyone tell me so". Maybe it would be better to just add a warning line into the description.

Our current definition of doujinshi still stands. The term "original doujinshi" does not exist in terms of this database. We consider those oneshots

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Which I find unfortunate . I also use MU as a database to know what to buy and doujin aren't available from the same retailers than regular manga, while oneshots aren't available at all.
Could original doujin be considered to be added somehow? Even if it's not your top priority?

What about the redundancy between Doujinshi as a Type and Doujinshi as a Genre?

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There will be no consideration for "original doujinshi". End of question

The redundancy will be taken care of later once Manick gets a chance to do some unification of data

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