"None of the above". Many of these tropes are used to develop the story itself. If I let myself be bothered by them, I'll miss out on seeing how exactly the mangaka deals with the issue or situation.

So to hell with the Gender Wars and SJW. Let me enjoy my manga how ever I want.

Didn't think that would be possible, but this poll is even worse than the last one. Not only is it poorly worded and has poor choices, but it does so in a way that riles up a lot of people.

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They were treating me favorably. That was my point: Treating people differently based on race isn't inherently bad.

My family was evicted from their homes and imprisoned in internment camps based entirely on their race, not behavior. Many were born and raised in the U.S., and many didn't even speak Japanese. At one point, they had to fill out a survey asking if they would "renounce their allegiance to the Japanese Emperor", which was difficult for the Japanese immigrants who would have no citizenship anywhere if they answered in the affirmative, and was insulting to the born-and-raised Americans who never had allegiance to the Emperor in the first place.

Being "model citizens" meant creating a peaceful community within the camps, planting gardens and patching up the makeshift barracks that were their new homes, surrounded by fences, guard towers, and armed patrols. It meant serving in the military with distinction if called upon, risking their lives for the country that denied them the rights of citizenship. It meant making an American flag for the schoolhouse so they didn't have to face the corner and pretend when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.

In the end, the government formally recognized the internment as a "grave injustice", with an official apology and compensation for the survivors, and the military servicemen were awarded for their exemplary service and conduct.

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You juxtaposed your experience with that of forced displacement and internment and said that "I wasn't offended when people assumed I didn't speak Spanish in a predominantly Hispanic city."

Of course you weren't because there is a difference between social discrimination and your experience, in fact, they are not even comparable. You couldn't get offended when there was absolutely no reason to be offended. By using terms like "offended" in the context of your experience makes it appear as if someone could have interpreted the situation as "discriminatory" which it was not regardless of whether race was involved. After all, it's obvious that there are differences in race relations.

Comparing your experience with Japanese internment in World War II, which was social discrimination, was ridiculous and not a proper example of the issues which is at the essence of this poll. They're just fundamentally different and I couldn't believe you bothered to use that as an example, is all.

Last edited by ThirySixChambers at 6:04 pm, Sep 23 2014

Isn't it funny that most of the tropes listed mainly exist in shoujo manga? But I wonder if people believe accidental falling over on top of a girl is "sexual assault/rape portrayed as a joke"?

It becomes sexual assault when the character does it tens/hundreds of times of the course of a series.

Most manga even lampshade the fact that its become so common that its become a cliche in and of itself. (ie. The "public morals" officer gets sexually assaulted herself and does little more than tsukkomi it.)

So you're saying it's not rape if it happens once?

This was a terrible poll idea.

The sides are extremely divided and feminism isn't exactly popular with most people these days.
Especially with the Gamergate fallout.

Seriously, terrible choice.

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No idea who 'most people' are, but why should the rest of the world care about the sensitivities of those people who don't believe in supporting the right of women to have equal rights with men? There's a reason why Malala Yousafzai has won dozens of human rights awards and honours and was one of Time's top 100 most influential people in 2013, and it isn't because anyone with even half a brain hates feminism.

This poll was a horrible idea. This poll itself is sexist against men and is exemplary of the war against men going on by so called "women's rights" advocates. They want to exterminate the male race.

Shame on you mangaupdates. Please leave your sexism at the door.

You are what is wrong with feminsim. You're a privileged girl brought up to think women are special and should shame and grind men into the ground. Please grow up and learn how the world works.

Oh my - and here I thought it was just an insignificant internet poll written by a well-meaning user empathizing with her gender in fiction. Please, when you flee to a bunker during the femdom apocalypse, bring your computer so you can keep ranting online.

We both agree that there's no good reason to get offended, but people do. They feel discriminated against not just because people are underestimating their abilities, but because people are assuming anything about their abilities based solely on race. I've seen plenty of Hispanic people get offended when people assume they don't speak English, and other Hispanics offended when people assume they speak Spanish. It doesn't happen anymore, but Japanese Americans used to run into people who were stunned Japanese people even could speak native-level English.

That this treatment is "just fundamentally different" was the point of the example; if you can't see how it could possibly be offensive, then you've already internalized the distinction between different treatment and discriminatory treatment.

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That's the thing, I don't know if "discriminated against" is the proper context in which to gauge those situations especially in comparison with something as severe as the Japanese internment example. I've also been to several places where I look different and not been approached similar to most people there, yet I never took it as discrimination or even felt it was in its realm. Perhaps it's dealing in stereotypes, but those are unavoidable especially in a multi-ethnic, multi-national, multi-cultural place like the US. Discrimination is just an entirely different, malicious concept that I don't feel those examples belong or are appropriate indicators of the subject. Now, if I had been treated in a poor manner (as sadly I've been a party too) then I would concur outright. If the people in your examples and I were asked if we spoke a certain language in a hostile manner or harassed all because of how we look then I would agree.

I see what you were tying to say but the wide net that you cast I believe hurt your statement. As I mentioned, the difference in race relations are always apparent. We sometimes act different around people that don't look like us or we aren't too familiar with. That is the power of groups. Bringing your initial example within the spectrum of discrimination especially into such a loaded issue like sexism I feel belies the significance of both issues, racism and sexism. Although each one is an entire case onto itself.

Last edited by ThirySixChambers at 6:32 am, Sep 24 2014

I feel like we agree but there's miscommunication somewhere. My main point was that some people are overly sensitive and treat issues that don't matter as repressive discrimination. It sounds like, if anything, my use of an actual example of significant discrimination was what derailed it for you.