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Post #652806 - Reply to (#652768) by hkanz
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This poll was a horrible idea. This poll itself is sexist against men and is exemplary of the war against men going on by so called "women's rights" advocates. They want to exterminate the male race.

Oh my - and here I thought it was just an insignificant internet poll written by a well-meaning user empathizing with her gender in fiction. Please, when you flee to a bunker during the femdom apocalypse, bring your computer so you can keep ranting online.

Agree. wink

Post #652830 - Reply to (#652587) by scarletrhodelia
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My most disliked trope isn't here, and that is the shounen harem - the idea that an average guy can have tons of women competing for his attention. I find that more offensive and unrealistic than the other choices, as there are few legitimate plot reasons to support it. Is it so common that its offensive nature is waved away?

And shoujo/yuri/yaoi harem is realistic and fine?

Yes.

Yes in shoujo, when the plot supports it. Usually they have the appearance of harems, but only one or two of the guys is actually romantically interested in the heroine.

Wow. Dat double standard.

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You and this guy should hit it off. laugh

Do you mean to imply that I'm somehow affected by this thread? If so, no sir.
In fact, the first thing I did when I saw the poll was laugh out loud out of the ridiculousness of it.

But hey, what do I know, right? These days all I read are cooking manga, alongside a few long running "mainstream" shounen series - and that's if I can even find the time to read them. I don't know wtf kind of titles the creator of the poll has been reading to even get "sick" of it all, but from where I'm standing, some of these options mainly occur in hentai/yaoi/yuri ie. genres covering immorality - so if he/she came up with the poll after reading a ton of them, then...
it's like sticking your hand down a sewer pipe and then complaining that your hand stinks right after.

I tell you what though, my vote definitely went to the NTR option - but not because I think it's "sexist" , since it's not a scenario that only happens in straight H, but because that shit is just disgusting.

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Post #652854 - Reply to (#652830) by Scyfon
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But you are, sir...

Or do you mean to tell me that your first post in which you used the term "Feminazi" and said "Great job on singling out your own gender" to lambchopsil was all in jest? Seems to me like you had your biting commentary at the ready, yet somehow, you were unaffected by this thread... hmm. In fact your post was one of the first outright hostile ones. Yes, because hurling pejoratives is quite the indicator of indifference. laugh

It seems to me from reading this thread that there are genuine gripes regarding certain tropes and plot devices in manga found in all types of demographics and genres. Yet if you noticed, not many people are saying that these have to change or that these are bad for manga or that you are a bad person for reading them. Seems to me like you got quite agitated by people having a critical discussion of one of their favorite mediums. Yet it was just that, a discussion on a manga message board. How audacious of them.

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I feel like we agree but there's miscommunication somewhere. My main point was that some people are overly sensitive and treat issues that don't matter as repressive discrimination. It sounds like, if anything, my use of an actual example of significant discrimination was what derailed it for you. ...

Perhaps... I just think using those occurrences alongside such a drastic example is kind of lazy and doesn't make for the best argumentation.

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Post #652876 - Reply to (#652854) by ThirySixChambers
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But you are, sir...

Wow, sounds like you know me better than I do - from just one post, which was on the first page, before many of the other posts you're referring to, assuming I had an inkling of what people were going to post in the future, and that I've read them all?
All from one post?
My god, go solve some world problems, man. What are you doing wasting your time on some internet forum?! eek

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Post #652879 - Reply to (#652876) by Scyfon
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Wow, sounds like you know me better than I do - from just one post, which was on the first page, before many of the other posts you're referring to, assuming I had an inkling of what people were going to post in the future, and that I've read them all?
All from one post?
My god, go solve some world ...

No, I don't know you sir, but your posts tell a different story from your claimed indifference. You even mentioned how your first reaction was to "laugh out loud." Or is laughing and hurling pejoratives how you demonstrate your apathy, you came into this thread quite the stoic didn't you? Doesn't seem like you were unaffected to me. laugh

Were you indifferent to my post as well? Why not throw in an insult to round it off? That is how you approached this thread, right? That is you not being affected.

Also your post is on the third page...

... and don't worry, I'll solve some world problems (hunger, war, lack of meaning, people falling into traps) after I'm done with yours. I can only do one thing at a time. After all, I'm only a time wasting human, sir. laugh

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Post #652894 - Reply to (#652466) by Reyalsdog
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Haha...LoL

though I wasn't talking 'bout “Hentai”...and don't remember that I mentioned the term anywhere...
and absolutely not Yaoi...don't even mentioned the term to me...though I don't hold anything against it...I'm not in it either...you see buddy Yaoi us somewhat annoying...ya
I was just talking 'bout non-H mangas that goes under the Mature/Adult/Smut genres...Rolf

but...ammm....Whatever...Rawr

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Post #652896 - Reply to (#652553) by nightazday
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reverse harems are completely realistic


Yeah...but, I would rather love to not see it on mangas...
It would just lessen the fun...talking about Comedy genre...yo

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Post #652902 - Reply to (#652698) by Anthop
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Ugh, this wasn't there, so I voted on something else instead, but I'm most annoyed by the Faux Action Girl and the Chickified Action Girl:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FauxActionGirl
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Chickification

Like someone who supposed to be or starts the series being totally competent and in charge of her own destiny and then, as soon as the (male) main character gets involved, is suddenly reduced to being rescued, support roles, romantic subplots, deferring to the main character all the time, and "man, how great is that man leading us?". Basically, a character that goes from being a true actor (or at least pretending to be one) to simply the main character's yes-girl.

Some examples:
* Mikasa from Attack on Titan
* Sakura from Naruto (at certain points)
* Kaoru from Ruroni Keshin
* Samus in the Other M
* Lunamaria from Gundam Seed Destiny


But, that's not the case always...scenario differs sometimes...
take Saeko Busujima(oh yeah! I love her...see my signature↘⬇↙) from Highschool Of The Dead for a Great Example...

Well...while, you're certainly right, you're not(always) suppose to expect anything different while reading a Shounen manga like Attack On Titans or Naruto...
Read Akame Ga Kill!(a really good one, love esdese/esdeath) or Black Lagoon or. Claymore(haven't read) or. Maybe Freezing(haven't read it too, is it good ?) for the typical female Characters you're wanting...and please do suggest me some if you can(but, the protagonist should be male)^^

P.S. Sakura is damn annoying btw, for various reasons...but, don't ask me why ? I will not answer...and add Touka from TG to you list along with Mikasa...

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Post #652915 - Reply to (#652765) by hkanz
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There's a reason why Malala Yousafzai has won dozens of human rights awards and honours and was one of Time's top 100 most influential people in 2013, and it isn't because anyone with even half a brain hates feminism.

The reason is that sexism in Pakistan is so blatant, a blind man can see it. Sexism (for both men and women) in developed countries is a lot more subtle.

Post #652934 - Reply to (#652879) by ThirySixChambers
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You. I like you laugh

I haven't visited these forums in a while, but I'm glad to see that these weird one to one, rather off-topic "conversations" still happen.

You're right. You're totally right. I guess I was affected after all, but at least I wasn't perpetually trying to drag it through the mud, right? One idiotic post can be ignored, bringing it up repeatedly, and seemingly attack on everybody who you don't agree with doesn't help the thread at all - which is all you've been doing.
So...I don't know. Maybe state your opinion on the topic rather than shitting on everyone else's? roll

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The thing that annoys me the most is the implicit assumption that women should be subservient to men and/or that a female's greatest aspiration should be to get married to a good man so she can devote her life to being his wife. As though there's nothing else in the world females are good for.

All of the other stuff on the list is bad, sure, but somehow it fails to annoy me as much as this blind assumption that women should become wives, and that's all they should aim for. For example, a girl likes a guy, so now she has to learn to cook so she'll be a good wife for him. Like, really? There couldn't be any other possible reason why a guy might want to date/continue dating a girl? roll eyes

It's just the way too commonly assumed view that women are only good for becoming wives and waiting on their (eventual) husband that drives me nuts.

The "but you're a girl!" option on this poll was the closest option to that.

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You. I like you laugh

Thank you. biggrin

Although, I must remind you it was you who compared someone to Nazis and demeaned someone for "singling out your own gender." You were never attacked although you do seem intent on making yourself appear the victim for being challenged. You want to call me out for apparently attacking other opinions, yet somehow fail to acknowledge attacking individuals and the entire topic of conversation. Yes, your post was quite the beneficial and thoughtful insight that truly did benefit the thread. laugh

I already voted in the poll and I thought your post was pretty funny and I pointed it out, you responded and I followed in kind. That is how these internet forums work, do they not? laugh



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Oh, this poll pleases me! Before I get into it, I'll just pick the girl solely being a love interest, because it's so common, it's become a necessity. And I hate the cliche.

Let's see... let's start from the top. I'll try to make it short... -ish. "But you're a girl!" only really applies when strength is involved. Women can do just about anything a guy can. I've never seen even a chubby girl operate a a jackhammer (though I have met a tall, obese woman who could work one before... maybe a bodybuilder lady could, too).
Objectify? STFU! Women do it all the fuckin' time as well, most just don't say anything or make it noticeable. Do you think that when she thinks a guy is handsome or likes how muscular he is means that she wants to chat with him? NO! She wants to screw him. Men just don't care. Goes both ways, sexism counteracts sexism. You don't hear anything about how both sexes are sexist for doing something.
Men are notoriously hard to rape, unless it's by another guy, otherwise they'd always fall in love with their rapist. Women falling in love with their rapist is rare, but it happens, just not as much as manga lead you to believe. Too many factors about this, but I wouldn't consider it sexist. Misinformed, perhaps? Mentally unsound? confused
Unless this sentence ends with "...men without dicks, balls, and pride." it wouldn't make sense and is indeed sexist. I only add pride because most men wont share what they think because they don't want to seem weak. Also, I've met a guy who had tits.
I thought I was the only one who found rape and sexual assault funny. laugh Just a joke. Seriously, though, don't wear a whore's uniform! I've never met ONE girl who dresses... uh, conservatively(?) be a rape victim. They always have to wear tight pants and show off cleavage to every pervert out there. Not so much the case with pedophi... ahem, loli/shotacons, but the fact remains that most women who get raped leave little to the imagination with what they wear (source: friends with cops in several metropolises). Also, does it mean I'm sexist when I laugh about a guy getting raped? I'm confused on how this could be sexist.
Many, MANY women do play that game as to not seem like a slut. Thank religion. Can't be sexist if it's true... Ah... social stigma...
What? Damsel in distress is sexist? So, next time a girl is in trouble, I guess I should ignore it as not to seem like a chauvinist, huh? no Color me sexist, then. So long as it's not baby poop green.
This is due to the fact it's a manga for young boys from the perspective of the male MC. That's evident in the fact you rarely see the girl's thoughts, but always see the MC's. Pretty much the same happens in girl's comics. Sexist? Hnnnngggggg..... maybe? Why isn't there a nosebleed emoticon (is this not a manga site?!)? I just had one from the brain hemorrhage caused by overthinking.
Jealous, vain, and/or cruel? Must be speaking of humanity as a whole, so I won't read any further.
Ok, this one is mostly due to religion and social stigma (as I said before about sluts). Personally, I don't like virgins because they're clingy nor whores because they can't clean inside themselves as thoroughly and typically have STDs. Kinda of like how I wouldn't buy a new 48 inch flat-screen TV because it's expensive nor an old box TV because it'll likely break soon. laugh
Most of these weren't even sexist if you think about it and know a little. Picking this poll apart (not that I could go into detail with everyone's tl;dr whiny shit) is only pleasing in the same way that correcting somebody's grammar is pleasing: sub-par. Also, this IS short for me (not trying to write a collegiate paper after all) considering the number of choices, negating the last because everyone who answered it (seriously, jokingly, ironically, etc., don't matter) is a blithering retard. 10%? no

EDIT: After reading a few poorly made posts, I'd like to clarify that I'm simply thinking from a realist's point of view and from experience. For example, I wouldn't find male rape funny if I, or my male family, had been rape, etc., etc. Sure, rape happens no matter what you wear, but scantily clad women are raped more than, uh, heavily dressed(?) women. Just think about what I say. Women can do one thing while men do another. It's not sexist, it's stereotyping. Like admitting you want to have sex with somebody openly. Close, but no cigar. Too many factors for each and not enough time or motivation to write it. They are my opinions (that I really don't feel like editing or deleting because I forget the internet is international time to time and that I'm an insensitive, closed-minded asshole lol) and that's that. Take it with a grain of salt, I guess. I hate everyone equally... except religious fundamentalists, the stupid bastards. smile wink grin

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Post #652955 - Reply to (#652768) by hkanz
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Wow... I can't fully put into words how perfect your response was! I only wish that people hating on my opinion made even 50% of the impact as the reply you made (maybe I'd actually come back to my old posts). I'm not being sarcastic.

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lol. Of course there are people will say "what about men" when this poorly worded poll only includes sexism against women. Anyway, there are some cultural differences that probably don't translate well to Western audiences, so sometimes I feel like calling sexism is disrespectful in some cases. For example, my parents rear boys and girls differently, not because they want to encourage sexism; it's because they know that it exists, so their children can be able to adapt to society despite facing sexism. But I digress because this is real life and not manga, which is what the poll is about. All these tropes are overused and played out badly most of the time. I remember seeing half of these in shoujo manga when I was a big shoujo fan. It made the plots too predictable, honestly.

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