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Post #668335 - Reply to (#668333) by Sayori x3
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MangaLator (Raffmanga)'s raws are relatively a pain to try to de-watermark, since they're down-scaled and most of them have huge circular watermarks slapped in the middle of the pages, in addition to a watermark on the bottom-right. The raws are not worth ripping.


I've ripped them before, and will do again. You're welcome wink

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Post #668336 - Reply to (#668334) by Arleea
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It's very true. XD And in no way am I saying what I'm doing is not illegal. =)

But I must ask. Is MangaLator going to have some respect for legally licensed releases and remove all titles if released by English publishers? I haven't checked the site or anything but from some of the releases I saw o ...

I have no idea. MangaLator primarily focuses on ongoing magazine series that are new.

English licencees don't appear for a series until it's at least 2-3 years or older, and MangaLator itself isn't that old of a site yet.

A scanlation group dropping projects due to English licensees appearing is entirely at the discretion of the group itself. They risk receiving DMCAs and other court actions if they continue to work on the series, but the lack of DMCAs lately have been debated as to whether it's a sign that licensees don't care anymore, or actually find it beneficial (some have argued reasons such as free publicity, guilt that they use scanlations themselves to find good series, etc.).

Since warnings usually occur before anything else, you can always cease and desist when you receive it and stop working on the series in question.

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I've ripped them before, and will do again. You're welcome wink

Your call if you want low quality raws. Just don't go get yourself discovered by some other MU staff for releasing with their raws. You might get blacklisted from releasing here cool

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Sounds intriguing. Always tempted to cut the slow editors out of scanlation. But the current selection of manga raws on that site is seriously meh.

Also, the site's design leaves much to be desired.

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Why is this in suggestions and bugs?

Post #668350 - Reply to (#668348) by Cthylla
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Why is this in suggestions and bugs?

Because there's no real good place to put this thread. If you got a better idea, I'd like to hear it. The thread was originally supposed to help updaters add releases for MangaLators.

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Post #668355 - Reply to (#668336) by Sayori x3
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Your call if you want low quality raws. Just don't go get yourself discovered by some other MU staff for releasing with their raws. You might get blacklisted from releasing here cool


Better than paying $20 shipping costs for a single magazine issue.

By the way, you won't even know if the watermarks are gone lol

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Post #668357 - Reply to (#668355) by -shiratori-
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Since Ciel Scans runs on donations that are not necessarily directed towards the mainteinance of the site and pursuing manga volumes and magazin, the best it could do would be to guarantee the quality scans they talk of, just not to make it seem like a total fraud.

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Post #668358 - Reply to (#668357) by train93
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Since Ciel Scans runs on donations that are not necessarily directed towards the mainteinance of the site and pursuing manga volumes and magazin, the best it could do would be to guarantee the quality scans they talk of, just not to make it seem like a total fraud.


We buy 90% of our raws, but thank you for your concern.

Feel free to donate us a few hundred dollars so we can ship those magazines though.

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Post #668359 - Reply to (#668358) by -shiratori-
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You see, you want me to look like the bad guy. But you're the one who came here cheerfully claiming that you like to rip off raws from other people. And it's not the thing itself that pissed me off, but the way you said it.
I like your group and your work a lot, but nonetheless I don't like this kind of attitude. And yes, I felt free to donate in the past.

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Post #668360 - Reply to (#668359) by train93
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You see, you want me to look like the bad guy. But you're the one who came here cheerfully claiming that you like to rip off raws from other people. And it's not the thing itself that pissed me off, but the way you said it.
I like your group and your work a lot, but nonetheless I don't like this kind of attitude. And yes, I felt free to donate in the past.


Admittedly I'm being a dick here, but the chutzpah to illegally upload copyrighted material on the internet and then claim ownership to it is simply beyond belief.

No, we usually don't take raws from other people without permission, but in this case I certainly wouldn't bother to ask. That applies to everyone who watermarks "their" scans.

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Post #668372 - Reply to (#668346) by cmertb
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Sounds intriguing. Always tempted to cut the slow editors out of scanlation. But the current selection of manga raws on that site is seriously meh.

Also, the site's design leaves much to be desired.

Well, as stated within the three primary reasons why a translator would be on MangaLator, it's not uncommon for a freelance to feel that a series is being scanlated too slow. But it's not a primary focus of the site itself.

The administrator's selection of series is of his own preference. The series mostly focus on shoujo and/or romance manga, but you'll have the occasional non-shoujo series. And they're usually scanned from magazine raws that he purchases himself.

The interface has some inconveniences, but it's still a young site and has room for improvement.

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Because there's no real good place to put this thread. If you got a better idea, I'd like to hear it. The thread was originally supposed to help updaters add releases for MangaLators.

Yes, precisely. For the time being, I will oversee MangaLator releases posted onto MangaUpdates. If I feel that people are not posting the releases adequately, I will update the first post as appropriate to reflect on that.

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So...I just read the thread and I can't stop laughing. laugh

Yes, all scanlation is illegal. We use the grayzon to define that we are not interested in making money for doing this but are sharing the love of this title to others by scanlating manga. Ofcourse they are other opinions on the matter but that's my viewpoint and it's been like that since I began scanlating manga. People who wants donation for running their websites/buying raws/scanlating are trash. Why? Because they make scanlation a business by doing this. biggrin (You know who you are.)

Now that site...if it's like raffmanga then it's crap. I haven't checked the new site and probably won't since the .ch reminds me of raffmanga.ch. The scans were bad, watermarked and the translations were lacking. Even with my skills I could see it was crap. I'm expecting the same since it's the same person. mad

About stealing raws...there is no such thing. If it's public then its' fine to use it. Anyone calling it stealing should stop scanlating or read manga. That action is just as illegal as the previous one. (It's something else if the raws are stolen from the groups' private folder on mediafire and then released) So bickering about this point is quite trivial.

Lastly, if this should be on mangaupdates or not. I don't see why not. All kinds of other crap is here so adding some more shouldn't cause any problems. Wait, isn't MU redefining the policy on what should be on the site? Is this part of the process? Can we await the decision until after MU has cleaned up? confused

Post #668376 - Reply to (#668333) by Sayori x3
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Quote from Sayori x3
MangaLator (Raffmanga)'s raws are relatively a pain to try to de-watermark, since they're down-scaled and most of them have huge circular watermarks slapped in the middle of the pages, in addition to a watermark on the bottom-right. The raws are not worth ripping.


So in short, you are advertising a site that hosts literal crap.
The images are down-scaled, there's a watermark and any wannabe on the internet can add a so-called "translation" onto these crappy raws.
Quality control at its finest.
Thank you for bringing to light this wonderful website.
Even Mangafox is doing a better job.

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Post #668377 - Reply to (#668375) by T1
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So...I just read the thread and I can't stop laughing. laugh

Yes, all scanlation is illegal. We use the grayzon to define that we are not interested in making money for doing this but are sharing the love of this title to others by scanlating manga. Ofcourse they are other opinions on the matter ...

MangaLator and Raffmanga belong to the same owner. He's migrating the raws to MangaLator to keep things separate and to look more like an actual reader than a random site. If you were to visit MangaLator and then check any series, you will see Raffmanga watermarks.

The raw issue was more a concern because the owner of the site purchases, scans, and uploads most of them himself, so they're considered "private raws." The watermarking is just to give the message that ripping them is not welcome.
But as always, piracy is generally illegal, so every scanlation or raw distribution on the Internet is illegal at the end of the day, unless it's a pure translation script and nothing else (e.g. MangaHelpers).

MangaUpdates has always been a hub for "scanlation groups" to announce the existence of their translated series, and for readers to easily find them to read. That's all it is and will continue to be. MangaLator hosts translated series in a bare-bone readable fashion, so it fits the criteria for being approved here, even if the quality is below-par. Readers who don't like it can just refrain from using it.

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So in short, you are advertising a site that hosts literal crap.
The images are down-scaled, there's a watermark and any wannabe on the internet can add a so-called "translation" onto these crappy raws.
Quality control at its finest.
Thank you for bringing to light this wonderful website.
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Off-topic: Hello Zessy. How are you doing? We haven't spoken in a while biggrin

On-topic: Yes, that's precisely what's available from their website. Low quality releases (or as you imply, releases without quality control). But as mentioned, readers can choose not to use it if they don't like it. There's no guarantee of translation accuracy.

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Post #668378 - Reply to (#668377) by Sayori x3
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Quote from Sayori x3
MangaUpdates has always been a hub for "scanlation groups" to announce the existence of their translated series, and for readers to easily find them to read. That's all it is and will continue to be.


Good point.
Then we should delete the crap from MangaLator right away, because it's NOT a scanlation group.
It's an online reader with "volunteers", but there is absolutely no consistency or quality control involved.
Is that what Scanlation has come down to? First machine translations, now we accept crap of unknown origin?
Great. Might as well close down MU if stuff like that is allowed here.
It's nothing but harming the community and you're happily spreading the news. GJ!

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Off-topic: You're the best example smile

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