Thank you! Finally somebody agrees with me and speaks about it. I am nowhere near fond of seeing some of the manga got updated a few dozen chapters ahead, mind you lousy lazy translated, horrible presented releases they were. I tried reading them from the website but like others have already mentioned: Where has the good old scanlation days gone? Regarding "normal" scanlation groups, with or without donations, at least the dialogues are translated refinely and understandably. Since I was an editor before, it's just appalling to look at this being accepted as the same category.

Why don't we just make a weekly poll for the member if they want to have the releases from Mangalator in MU or not? Since even if you hide the releases from a group, the new chapters will still appear on your list anyway and it's rather difficult to keep track of some manga.


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Wouldn't it be better if we had a site filter (instead of just the release page filter) for the group and their updates rather than take away a potential source for those who don't care about quality?

Last edited by Lulubella at 6:35 pm, Jul 6 2015

mangaupdates has this option. You click on the group name, then it'll take you to the group information page. On that page, under the group name, there's a little box and next to the box has a note that says "Hide this group's releases on the Releases page". If you click on the box, then exit the page, you will never see that group's name/releases ever again....

I edited the post to better explain what I meant. Also, as you said, that only works for the release pages (and is something I use to filter out novel translations), and I'm talking about would filter it site wide.

Last edited by Lulubella at 6:56 pm, Jul 6 2015

Unfortunately you still have them messing up your reading list, which is the really important part.

MangaLator sounds like a pretty nice social experiment, like:
How many people would take the time to translate this for other people to read?
Or something to that degree, but it's not exactly a scanlation group and as they jump around on chapters, it's a little jarring when you're going through your manga list trying to see what's updated and I kinda feel bad for the scanlation groups that might start to feel pressured to close the gaps or release things faster so that their projects aren't stolen. Though I will admit I have no actual knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes for these types of things.
In all honesty, I don't really think MangaLator really has place on MangaUpdates as a group since it seems like more of a kind of Wikipedia type of thing where everyone goes in, does their thing and everyone else reads it.
So it kind of feels like you have a group page for a Wikipedia type of place, and it's kind of really weird.

The contributors of the site themselves don't call the translations on MangaLator "releases". Why do we treat them as such? The difference between this site and a group is that there is not a coordinated effort. Everyone does what he wants, whether he is reckoned as qualified by other contributors or not. It's a big mess. It has its good points, but it is nowhere acceptable as a group. I'm really at a loss as to why MU would be willing to track these "releases". At least sites like Wikipedia are constantly checked and corrected. MangaLator is really disorganized.

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My current top 3:
Fullmetal Alchemist
Pandora Hearts
3-gatsu no Lion

Scanlation is a progress that involves scanning, translating, cleaning and typesetting a manga (gonna ignore QC for now).
Mangalator clearly ignores the last two (three) and thus shouldn't be qualified to be a scanlation group, consequently removing them from here.

If you we allow simple translation scripts to be "releases", Mangahelpers would be a "group", too, and the similar method from Danbooru or elsewhere would have to be accepted, too.

These guys are providing raws and translation, but NOT scanlation. Such sites do not belong here.

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Gotta agree with this. Whatever the ML aims to provide, it's NOT a proper scanlation. It's releases shouldn't qualify to be tracked on MU even on technical grounds.

I also agree it's not a proper group to have here on MangaUpdates. You wouldn't consider a raw provider website as a scanlation team. You also wouldn't consider Reddit (or any other blog with translations) as such. I've seen spoiler blogs with the raws and the translation below (it happens all the time for the Shounen Jump series). They aren't scanlation groups. Just fans trying to share their hype with others. So why making an exception here?

Probably, the better option for this would be making a poll for the community to decide what to do. That way, the MU admins wouldn't feel bad about dropping ML after allowing them. If ML is permitted here even after that, the only "solution" for this would be adding a group filter that actually allows the releases to be filtered as well.
I don't want MU to lose any members and it's a possible outcome if our lists can't remain clean while we wait for proper scanlations.

It's nothing against ML. You guys have an idea and you were able to do it. I appreciate your effort. It just doesn't belong with scanlation...

If you let the mass decided, they will just want everything on this site for convenient sake.
The doujinshi were purged without a poll, too, so why bother now?

MangaLator clearly goes against the definitions set on this page. I don't know why it was added to begin with. Bribed?

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So basically, you'll be bitchin' either way. If the majority votes, it's the 'tyranny of the majority' and if the admins decide, it's 'not democratic enough'. The fact that you're not looking for solutions and going as far as accusing someone's integrity is evidence enough that you're just a pathetic whiner with nothing constructive to add to this conversation.


^I second this!

I see your point but I see Prozess' point to. If we make a poll, it would create a precedent. We wouldn't be doing an exception, we would be changing the rules of this site. They would no longer bear absolute value. For example, if I wanted fan drawings to be featured here as well, wouldn't I get the same right to make people decide through a poll, regardless of the rules? If Mangalator doesn't fit the criteria, it shouldn't be allowed, period. I don't mind it that much, but I think solid rules are a strength of this site.

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My current top 3:
Fullmetal Alchemist
Pandora Hearts
3-gatsu no Lion

But this website isn't a democracy, so you have no right to demand a poll anyway. Besides, someone quoted MU's definition of "scanlator" earlier and Mangalator fits it more or less.

I personally think their releases shouldn't be featured either, but in the end it's the admin's decision.

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"A scanlator is a person or group of people who work collaboratively to scan and then translate manga so that fans all around the world can enjoy them."

Raws posted with translations on the side on /a/ count then. Yet MU only includes them once they've been uploaded to batoto or some such. Why? If Mangalator counts, such things should also count.

All I want is a way to filter them out of my reading list. I don't mind if MU wants to include them (I'm not the king of MU), but right now my reading list is basically useless for anything they're covering. Just give us moaners the option and we'll shut up and go away, I promise!