nah son.

and there ain't no such thing as "perfect" polygamy. Someone's gonna get jelly, some even violent. if you wanna screw around with a bunch of people just don't commit to one person.

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Well, you are right about not everyone being capable of looking after more than one family. Truth of the matter is, you have to account for those who can.
It is wrong for someone to try and have just the 1 family they can't financially look after let alone many.
So is it now wrong for you to have 1 family since some can't?
If you are unbiased you will understand what i mean.



When you said women usually want less sexual partners...it kind of made sense with the reasoning you gave but there is no water behind water you said.
Maybe less desire to have multiple husbands (to provide for them) because of the reason you allocated but less sex partners? Not sure about that one.
Womens desire for men sexually would be not too different from men.Great genes.
So yes...she may not make "more" kids but better genes or "different" genes might opt her to want more sexual patners. She won't necessarily realize those reasons but the "desire" is there.

If women do this less then it is probably down to culture portraying them that way. Culture is a huge part of this discussion, no one seems to have really mentioned.
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polygynandry, well...I'm not even going to be partial about this one. It seems screwed up. SO, look at this idea. 2 guys 2 women.
1 guy impregnates both women and other does the same. Now, the child of the mother A has a sister/brother from mother B, so this child would consider the other mother and father to be...?
Seems like one giant incestuous family with no real incest of course but...they are, wait..i...

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wow, everyone's so damn hetero and cisnormative, I don't even know how you cishets function anymore.

Look, people can and have fully and romantically loved more than one person. Some people can't and that's fine, but just because you may be incapable of it, doesn't mean the rest of us are. Not everyone gets jealous or has issues with unhealthy possessiveness!!!

Just like some are gay some are straight some are bi and some are poly, and there are many more, for god's sake. Sexuality is individual and sometimes fluid. We all are different and have different preferences and that is OK. Not a damn one of those preferences is less valid or real than any other.

So long as those preferences don't include raping others and taking advantage of a situation where fully informed, enthusiastic consent is an impossibility, i.e pedophilia/incest, etc.

Love is not limited for some people like it is for others, so don't judge others by what you're capable of or limited to.

The One True Love myth is so damn harmful and overdone. Can't y'all just let it go already or at least let the rest of us live without your ignorant opinions and obsolete legislation reinforcing systems of violence against us in the LGBTQIA community?

just let people live their lives and get over yourselves, please.

And though marriage will not fall apart if you allow polygynandry into the system, marriage shouldn't even be the main focus. Homeless LGBTQIA youth who've been kicked out of their homes by hateful and unaccepting parents, violence, discrimination in the workplace, ignorance and severe under-representation in media, where queer youth never get to see themselves, should be our main focus.

But hey, the so-called sanctity of marriage and all that shit is much more important than creating a safe and accepting space for young poly individuals, right?

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cowsrawesome covers how I feel.

(And there's nothing wrong with being jealous either, as long as you deal with it healthily.)

I make no such judgements or "should/should nots". I was merely replying to someone saying that that having multiple families was feasible. If you want to, go right ahead.


To my knowledge, genetic diversity of offspring is only important in species where only a limited number of individuals within a group breed (ie one female mothers all the offspring). In species where all members breed, such a mediocre reward could be easily negated where tendencies like paternal infanticide or abandonment are present. Not to say females can't crave multiple partners, but the reward for doing so is considerably less than males.

Y'all need to read Sexing the Body by Anne Fausto Sterling to start and then check out works by Paticia Hill Collins, Audrey Lorde, and Bell Hooks.

The transphobia and the cisexist bullshit in this thread is overpowering. Gender essentialism is not a thing. All this shit is socially constructed and though, yes social constructions have huge and real effects on our lives, they can be changed and are not concrete. Women can be extremely promiscuous and enjoy having multiple partners of all different genders. Seriously, many women enjoy orgasm just as much as men do. Some enjoy it even more than the average man. Some women don't, that's fine, but please stop with blanketing all of them under your umbrella of what they should and shouldn't feel.

Biology and science are socially constructed ways of understanding the world. Both subject areas have been and still are repeatedly used to reinforce systems of inequality. They are not infallible.

Asexuals who don't want any partners are also being conveniently erased while you reduce everything down to a rhetoric solely based in a heteronormative western gender binary that's harmful and was created to enforce systemically institutionalized violence.

And if you're straight, cis, and monogamous/monosexual you shouldn't be pretending like you have any type of authority on this topic. I don't care if you have a PHD in science/biology or in gender studies, which I highly doubt any of you do. You should sit down, be quiet, and learn. But I already know common decency and respect towards us poly and queer trans folk is way too much to expect.

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Polygamy is a marriage where a man has two wives, polyandry is a marriage where a woman has two husbands. I guess it depends on the situation and preferences of the people who are involved. They should both be accepted, of course, not one but not the other.

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I don't have any problem with the opinions you've stated but I do feel this comment is a bit out of line. This thread is for expressing personal opinion, so why would you tell people to "sit down" and "be quite"? Have you come into this thread expecting people to filter their opinions to what everyone would agree upon? You can only expect people to "learn" if you come in with an equally open mind. I admit I personally have a tendency to go on long winded replies on my personal views but I try to convey that these are my own uneducated opinions and I always read and respect others' replies and opinions. For the most part, I think people in this thread have as well.

To your response for my earlier comment, I tried to express that this was a trend, meaning at least slightly more likely, which by definition leaves room for a large percentage of counter examples. Your response doesn't even indicate that you disagree with this trend.

You are absolutely correct that cultural and scientific views can have an undue influence, almost like a self fulfilling prophesy, and too often are misused and twisted into weapons to further an argument. This wasn't my intention, I am simply more interested in the biological and evolutionary influences on human mating systems/practices that the politics. Admittedly, it is a bit outside the scope of the thread.

tldr: you're being rude and acting like a big authority yourself. Please disagree with people in a way that doesn't shut them down and while you're at it, try to understand what they're trying to say before assuming they're just attacking you with the same arguments you've heard before.

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I'm being rude and defensive because these are things that have directly affected my life. I have tried being polite in the past, it never honestly works, so I've given up on that. I have first handedly experienced the prejudice, erasure and violence that I'm talking about, so no I can't sit back and pretend like this doesn't affect me and be calm and cool while people talk about us like we're lab rats in an experiment coming from the "biological perspective of studying human mating habits," in a way that furthers the dehumanization of poly AND trans people.

This is all talking points for you and perhaps even a topic of interest, but this is my LIFE. These are my lived experiences, and no I'm not going to be polite when I see statements and stereotypes that perpetuate violence against us casually being talked about by cis straight people who are themselves the perpetrators of said violence.

I cannot remain calm and polite about this topic, because those who have bullied, erased, and refused to hire me haven't ever cared about being polite while doing so. Tone policing is also a way people in power maintain said power and is in and of itself an act of violence in attempting to silence our very justified anger.

So yes, while the person who started this topic wanted to hear your views, I am saying that many of these stated views help in perpetuating a very potent system of violence against us, and no I will not sit back and take that calmly. Straight voices are heard and valued over our own on the topic of our own oppression, we don't need more, even in a forum like this one, trying to explain their misguided views and spreading their ignorance.

And yes, I am talking "like I'm an authority" on this topic, because I am one of the ones affected directly by it, and I have lived it. So, yes I do believe I have the authority to speak of my own lived experiences.

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That's the problem I'm finding, at least where I live. I mean, it's a hard case to go against the muslim religion in the Middle East where women are considered to be more like property than individuals but here, it shouldn't be a big deal. Most mormons are monogamous but recently there's been focus on multiple-wive reality shows. Well, I don't watch them but I somehow ended up tuning in when someone asked why polygamy is acceptable but polyandry isn't and there was no real, good answer. I get that when Mormonism was created, society was patriarchal but it's 2014 now and matriarchal families are on the rise.

I don't support it. I consider polygamy as cheating on your partner, and if you're both going to cheat (if only one party gets to sleep around that's just not fair), what's the point in getting married in the first place? I know I can't stop people from engaging in such relationships, and as long as they're in it willingly, it's their business, but don't expect me to approve of it.
I don't see how you could be happy when the person you love has sexual and/or romantic relationships with people other than you; I certainly wouldn't be.

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Would I ever engage in polygamy? Heck no. Do I fully understand why anyone would ever choose to share their spouse with another person physically and romantically (whether Polyandry/Polygyny)? Not in the slightest. Do I think such an arrangement will last? Nope. BUT if a group of well minded, adults wish to commit to such a relationship of their own free will... all I can say is good luck with that.

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You generalize a lot, don't you? What you managed to say here if i read in between the lines is...Yes you can do it (free will and all that), but i don't think it is "feasible".
I just finished explaining, you have to account the minority who can make it "feasible". (with wealth, babysitter etc)

Therefore weather it is "feasible" is different person to person.



You know, the strange thing about what you wrote, is that what you just said is pseudo science and it has been viewed by many for decades that women are more suited to being monogamist than men.

Did you know that according to studies, women lose interest in their long term partners faster than men do?
interesting, right? I could look into it more but it's really easy to assume things, thanks to culture.



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Yes, certainly for some, having mulitple partners would be perfectly feasible. I just don't think it's much more advantageous now, because of distribution of income and the rise of gender equality. Of course those factors really only apply to the more old fashioned one guy, multiple wives.

I have heard said statistic, and I'm aware and that it does contradict what I said a bit, but I've also said it's impossible to map everything people do to some biological incentive, or at least something to that nature. I was trying to start a discussion to explore the topic with others and state some things I found interesting, not teach a lecture, I know I'm not qualified. And yeah, its entirely possible the things I've said are based more on cultural influences than scientific ones. We can only be as accurate as our information sources, after all.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone with what I was saying, it really wasn't my intention to come across as I did.

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Offended?

You'd have to try a little harder. Did i sound defensive because i wasn't, just clearing up miss conceptions, you know. Sometimes you have to remember, not every conversation is taken from a "personal" stand point.
Problem a lot of people have, they end up having inconsistencies in what they say. Step back and remove the emotional investment if there is any.

Its impossible to map everyone to biological mapping but let us all be aware of why we find pleasure in re procreation.
Positive reinforcement, every time you eat...your brain positively reinforces it by releasing dopamine, same with a lot of other things. So...eventually it is a lot of biology.

Now ask yourself this, Can an A sexual person love someone the same way a none A sexual person does?

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