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pretty sure he used rasengan to destroy that pain
I dont know what u were watching. its obvious that it was all just his newely found sage powers at work
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Tsunade will die, I'm sure of it!
Naruto will kick Pein's ass. ;)
Kakashi isn't dead?!
Wow, ANBU really sucks, huh.
Konan's the true leader?!! D:
Hell Pein's power looks freaky~
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I dont know what u were watching. its obvious that it was all just his newely found sage powers at work
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pretty sure he used rasengan to destroy that pain
I dont know what u were watching. its obvious that it was all just his newely found sage powers at work
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/therhymenoceros_pho tos/17-18.jpg
Definitely Rasengan, see the swirly bit inside the circle?
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Now that's clear, thanks for the red circle, I wouldn't have saw the rasengan without it.
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question(simple and no-hate):why should be it like that?
and lol, finally it doesnt take Naruto 15 mins and 2 clones to prepare a Rasengan
Hey, YOU said it, not ME
Besides, im thinking that the mangaka wants to accomunate Naruto (in his journey to ninjahood completion) to Sasuke by having him lose bunches of people dear to him (like Sasuke lost his Clan/Family). Dunno, but it somehow could make sense...
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since when he's in Sage mode the "poison" of the millions of attacks won't affect him.
question(simple and no-hate):why should be it like that?
and lol, finally it doesnt take Naruto 15 mins and 2 clones to prepare a Rasengan
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Haha Tsunade is so fail =]. Finally Naruto vs Pein, it would suck though if it's like all the other shounen cliches and Naruto ends up beating Pein through a super long and hard battle where he finds his own true potential in a near death experience lol
Hey, YOU said it, not ME
Besides, im thinking that the mangaka wants to accomunate Naruto (in his journey to ninjahood completion) to Sasuke by having him lose bunches of people dear to him (like Sasuke lost his Clan/Family). Dunno, but it somehow could make sense...
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OMG, A vendetta!!!!
Go Naruto, Kick Pein Ass!!!!
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Awesome chapter. Kishi's got a lot going on now and it's all looking good. The Pein Vs Naruto fight will [hopefully] be a great one.
Yes, Anbu is useless. When hasn't Anbu been useless? They couldn't even stop a dunce academy student from stealing an important scroll with secret jutsu.
Tsunade will probably be fine in this fight. Once Naruto came into play to defend her, that was mostly settled. However, with her lifespan being cut twice now, plus she's already pretty old, she likely doesn't have too long to go anyway.
As for Kakashi...I think he's still alive and here' why. Some of it is just speculation, but I think it points towards the conclusion that he's still alive and just near-death.
1) What exactly killed him? Physically, he only had "minor" wounds (many no-name ninja have survived much worse). There's nothing physcial that I could see that woudl have killed him. The overuse of his MS probably put too much of a stress on his body. Don't forget he used what seemed like a much stronger version for considerably more time against deidara, then again to escape the explosion. From what we know, he only used his MS for very short periods of time and not to do anything that would put a lot of stress on it.
2) Tsunade is not the type of person to lie about medical conditions....she seems very straight up about stuff. If Kakashi was completely dead, she likely would have said so.
3) Why did she use her slug to help protect Kakashi's body? If she believed he was dead, why wouldn't she had put the chakra into defending Shikamaru or Kiba or anybody else instead (instead of having Shikamaru break his leg and therefore no longer able to help people escape or get medical help)?
4) Why is Kakashi in nearly, if not every, chapter since he was defeated? There has to be a reason that Kishi keeps bringing him up over and over again.
5) In the fight with the Pein bodies, Kakashi didn't really do much. The manga seemed to skip through a lot of the fighting and only showed some scenes. Yeah, Kakashi had some plans, but he didn't really do much. In the fights with Jiraiya Vs Pein, Sasuke Vs Itachi, Asuma Vs Hidan, and the 3rd's fight with Orochimaru, the entire battle was described in detail. That seemed to be missing in Kakashi's battle. Kakashi's fight just doesn't fit his pattern for killing a character.
6) The scene where he talks to his father is not a definitive sign that he's dead. None of the other characters that died had this happen. Plus, it's a work of fiction where anything can happen, but even in real life people have near-death experiences where they believe to have spoken to a family member that has passed on. Spirits have not played any role in the Naruto universe so far, so why start now with having Kakashi's spirit talk to his father's spirit? More likely, Kakashi is seeing this in his mind.
7) He's the second most popular character. Usually the creator doesn't kill off one of the top 3 characters. It's possible, but very unlikely.
The reasons to suggest he's dead seem to me to be more superficial...he looks dead, he was defeated, etc. There is no evidence that I saw that suggests anything more than that.
Yes, Anbu is useless. When hasn't Anbu been useless? They couldn't even stop a dunce academy student from stealing an important scroll with secret jutsu.
Tsunade will probably be fine in this fight. Once Naruto came into play to defend her, that was mostly settled. However, with her lifespan being cut twice now, plus she's already pretty old, she likely doesn't have too long to go anyway.
As for Kakashi...I think he's still alive and here' why. Some of it is just speculation, but I think it points towards the conclusion that he's still alive and just near-death.
1) What exactly killed him? Physically, he only had "minor" wounds (many no-name ninja have survived much worse). There's nothing physcial that I could see that woudl have killed him. The overuse of his MS probably put too much of a stress on his body. Don't forget he used what seemed like a much stronger version for considerably more time against deidara, then again to escape the explosion. From what we know, he only used his MS for very short periods of time and not to do anything that would put a lot of stress on it.
2) Tsunade is not the type of person to lie about medical conditions....she seems very straight up about stuff. If Kakashi was completely dead, she likely would have said so.
3) Why did she use her slug to help protect Kakashi's body? If she believed he was dead, why wouldn't she had put the chakra into defending Shikamaru or Kiba or anybody else instead (instead of having Shikamaru break his leg and therefore no longer able to help people escape or get medical help)?
4) Why is Kakashi in nearly, if not every, chapter since he was defeated? There has to be a reason that Kishi keeps bringing him up over and over again.
5) In the fight with the Pein bodies, Kakashi didn't really do much. The manga seemed to skip through a lot of the fighting and only showed some scenes. Yeah, Kakashi had some plans, but he didn't really do much. In the fights with Jiraiya Vs Pein, Sasuke Vs Itachi, Asuma Vs Hidan, and the 3rd's fight with Orochimaru, the entire battle was described in detail. That seemed to be missing in Kakashi's battle. Kakashi's fight just doesn't fit his pattern for killing a character.
6) The scene where he talks to his father is not a definitive sign that he's dead. None of the other characters that died had this happen. Plus, it's a work of fiction where anything can happen, but even in real life people have near-death experiences where they believe to have spoken to a family member that has passed on. Spirits have not played any role in the Naruto universe so far, so why start now with having Kakashi's spirit talk to his father's spirit? More likely, Kakashi is seeing this in his mind.
7) He's the second most popular character. Usually the creator doesn't kill off one of the top 3 characters. It's possible, but very unlikely.
The reasons to suggest he's dead seem to me to be more superficial...he looks dead, he was defeated, etc. There is no evidence that I saw that suggests anything more than that.
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Awesome chapter. Kishi's got a lot going on now and it's all looking good. The Pein Vs Naruto fight will [hopefully] be a great one.
Yes, Anbu is useless. When hasn't Anbu been useless? They couldn't even stop a dunce academy student from stealing an important scroll with secret jutsu.
Tsunade will probably be fine in this fight. Once Naruto came into play to defend her, that was mostly settled. However, with her lifespan being cut twice now, plus she's already pretty old, she likely doesn't have too long to go anyway.
As for Kakashi...I think he's still alive and here' why. Some of it is just speculation, but I think it points towards the conclusion that he's still alive and just near-death.
1) What exactly killed him? Physically, he only had "minor" wounds (many no-name ninja have survived much worse). There's nothing physcial that I could see that woudl have killed him. The overuse of his MS probably put too much of a stress on his body. Don't forget he used what seemed like a much stronger version for considerably more time against deidara, then again to escape the explosion. From what we know, he only used his MS for very short periods of time and not to do anything that would put a lot of stress on it.
2) Tsunade is not the type of person to lie about medical conditions....she seems very straight up about stuff. If Kakashi was completely dead, she likely would have said so.
3) Why did she use her slug to help protect Kakashi's body? If she believed he was dead, why wouldn't she had put the chakra into defending Shikamaru or Kiba or anybody else instead (instead of having Shikamaru break his leg and therefore no longer able to help people escape or get medical help)?
4) Why is Kakashi in nearly, if not every, chapter since he was defeated? There has to be a reason that Kishi keeps bringing him up over and over again.
5) In the fight with the Pein bodies, Kakashi didn't really do much. The manga seemed to skip through a lot of the fighting and only showed some scenes. Yeah, Kakashi had some plans, but he didn't really do much. In the fights with Jiraiya Vs Pein, Sasuke Vs Itachi, Asuma Vs Hidan, and the 3rd's fight with Orochimaru, the entire battle was described in detail. That seemed to be missing in Kakashi's battle. Kakashi's fight just doesn't fit his pattern for killing a character.
6) The scene where he talks to his father is not a definitive sign that he's dead. None of the other characters that died had this happen. Plus, it's a work of fiction where anything can happen, but even in real life people have near-death experiences where they believe to have spoken to a family member that has passed on. Spirits have not played any role in the Naruto universe so far, so why start now with having Kakashi's spirit talk to his father's spirit? More likely, Kakashi is seeing this in his mind.
7) He's the second most popular character. Usually the creator doesn't kill off one of the top 3 characters. It's possible, but very unlikely.
The reasons to suggest he's dead seem to me to be more superficial...he looks dead, he was defeated, etc. There is no evidence that I saw that suggests anything more than that.
Yes, Anbu is useless. When hasn't Anbu been useless? They couldn't even stop a dunce academy student from stealing an important scroll with secret jutsu.
Tsunade will probably be fine in this fight. Once Naruto came into play to defend her, that was mostly settled. However, with her lifespan being cut twice now, plus she's already pretty old, she likely doesn't have too long to go anyway.
As for Kakashi...I think he's still alive and here' why. Some of it is just speculation, but I think it points towards the conclusion that he's still alive and just near-death.
1) What exactly killed him? Physically, he only had "minor" wounds (many no-name ninja have survived much worse). There's nothing physcial that I could see that woudl have killed him. The overuse of his MS probably put too much of a stress on his body. Don't forget he used what seemed like a much stronger version for considerably more time against deidara, then again to escape the explosion. From what we know, he only used his MS for very short periods of time and not to do anything that would put a lot of stress on it.
2) Tsunade is not the type of person to lie about medical conditions....she seems very straight up about stuff. If Kakashi was completely dead, she likely would have said so.
3) Why did she use her slug to help protect Kakashi's body? If she believed he was dead, why wouldn't she had put the chakra into defending Shikamaru or Kiba or anybody else instead (instead of having Shikamaru break his leg and therefore no longer able to help people escape or get medical help)?
4) Why is Kakashi in nearly, if not every, chapter since he was defeated? There has to be a reason that Kishi keeps bringing him up over and over again.
5) In the fight with the Pein bodies, Kakashi didn't really do much. The manga seemed to skip through a lot of the fighting and only showed some scenes. Yeah, Kakashi had some plans, but he didn't really do much. In the fights with Jiraiya Vs Pein, Sasuke Vs Itachi, Asuma Vs Hidan, and the 3rd's fight with Orochimaru, the entire battle was described in detail. That seemed to be missing in Kakashi's battle. Kakashi's fight just doesn't fit his pattern for killing a character.
6) The scene where he talks to his father is not a definitive sign that he's dead. None of the other characters that died had this happen. Plus, it's a work of fiction where anything can happen, but even in real life people have near-death experiences where they believe to have spoken to a family member that has passed on. Spirits have not played any role in the Naruto universe so far, so why start now with having Kakashi's spirit talk to his father's spirit? More likely, Kakashi is seeing this in his mind.
7) He's the second most popular character. Usually the creator doesn't kill off one of the top 3 characters. It's possible, but very unlikely.
The reasons to suggest he's dead seem to me to be more superficial...he looks dead, he was defeated, etc. There is no evidence that I saw that suggests anything more than that.
u wrote tat much, I believe u.
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1) What exactly killed him?
His overuse of the Mangekyou Sharigan. He used the last bit of his chakra to save Choji, which in turn killed him...Supposedly.
I'd say its 50/50 at best. Kubo could be flipping a coin right now to decide.
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1) What exactly killed him?
His overuse of the Mangekyou Sharigan. He used the last bit of his chakra to save Choji, which in turn killed him...Supposedly.
I'd say its 50/50 at best. Kubo could be flipping a coin right now to decide.
Very true...he could be designing the funeral scene right now. However, I would say it's better than 50/50 that he's alive because of the reasons mentioned previously.
I understand the MS explanation, but he used MS twice against Deidara to do much more and for longer periods of time. He even stopped an explosion from hitting many team members. Now he overused it to redirect a small object? There's no indication that he used it more than twice on Pein, and it didn't look like it was to do nearly as much or that it was used nearly as long. Plus, nobody else has ever died in Naruto, good or bad, from only overusing chakra. Why start now?
Edit: Also, he used many Raikiri against Kakazu, got beat up pretty bad, and still said he could have used MS on him if he had to, but it would have put him in the hospital again. He wasn't nearly as physically damaged or exhausted against Pein prior to using his MS the second time. Kishi can do whatever he wants as it's his work, but logically it doesn't make sense.
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His overuse of the Mangekyou Sharigan. He used the last bit of his chakra to save Choji, which in turn killed him...Supposedly.
I'd say its 50/50 at best. Kishimoto could be flipping a coin right now to decide.
I'd say its 50/50 at best. Kishimoto could be flipping a coin right now to decide.
Fixed.
But damn, one person Insta Rasengan? Now it's like that instant ramen, except it's "Just add chakra"
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Just posting to say (or type lol) epic chapter. Kinda funny that the robo pain got it's ass kicked straight after being revived. Kinda reminds me of my early final fantasy days lol. 
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Just posting to say (or type lol) epic chapter. Kinda funny that the robo pain got it's ass kicked straight after being revived. Kinda reminds me of my early final fantasy days lol.
Now that I think about it, WHAT TIME PERIOD DO THEY LIVE IN? They have robot ninja, communication headsets, giant scoreboards, and yet, they don't have other things of the modern era that would be useful for them (Like planes, for instance).
Is all of Naruto's universe like "The Village" or something
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Just posting to say (or type lol) epic chapter. Kinda funny that the robo pain got it's ass kicked straight after being revived. Kinda reminds me of my early final fantasy days lol.
Now that I think about it, WHAT TIME PERIOD DO THEY LIVE IN? They have robot ninja, communication headsets, giant scoreboards, and yet, they don't have other things of the modern era that would be useful for them (Like planes, for instance).
Is all of Naruto's universe like "The Village" or something
Maybe they live in the Naruto Period?
They have some things and other things she havnt Its a fiction story after all
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pretty sure he used rasengan to destroy that pain
I dont know what u were watching. its obvious that it was all just his newely found sage powers at work
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/therhymenoceros_pho tos/17-18.jpg
Definitely Rasengan, see the swirly bit inside the circle?
Pshh... I would've never noticed that. It would've been cooler if he just punched him instead... I mean we are all used to the fact that he's dumb and he only has 2 jutsu that he can use freely, so why not give him super strenght at least? If the small frog was able to lift up that huge rock in sage mode shouldn't Naruto be as strong? I guess super strenght is only Sakura's trademark.
Rasengan is soo useless... when it hits sometimes it makes a big dent, other times nothing at all. Didn't Konohamaru just use it against one of the Pain bodies? Nothing there. It was supposed to be the pinacle of chakra manipulation, so it doesn't really matter how much chakra is used. Plus if power is used it would get bigger (Naruto vs Itachi, Sage Jiraya Rasengan). And how come Rasengan can bust up anything except living bodies? Is Kishimoto trying to avoid the inevitable spray/swirl of intestines?
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