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Some of you may wonder why is she stopping now? He cites Mangafox in particular as not obeying her requests to not post her releases on online reading sites. You can read the details at http://www.surasplace.com/
I for one am sad to see the departure of a mainstay of the scanlation community. I haven't personally read any of the series she worked on, but she did introduce the English-reading world to many atypical series such as Intersexuality, or the popular series Superior.
You will be missed
Comments (limited to first 100 replies)
» SlyzertVoltrond on May 16th, 2013, 12:50am
That is all.
» philip72 on May 18th, 2013, 12:59pm
On one hand this woman is an enormous hypocrite. She never asked the mangaka or the publishing company if she could take their work, convert their words to english, and post it on her site; but she expects Mangafox to afford her a courtesy she never extended to others. How arrogant, I'm glad she's finally shutting down.
I visited her site a few times when it was JanimeS, it was a closed, walled-garden fife where she played queen and mod is god. Fuck her, we need less of her type and more of Hox's.
On the other hand, fuck Mangafox and any other online reader site that makes ad revenue from scanlation. Fuck Batoto too and all the whores that line their pockets with a cut of the proceeds. They're all cancer to scanlation.
» LT on May 18th, 2013, 1:26pm
On one hand this woman is an enormous hypocrite. She never asked the mangaka or the publishing company if she could take their work, convert their words to english, and post it on her site; but she expects Mangafox to afford her a courtesy she never extended to others. How arrogant, I'm glad she's finally shutting down.
I visited her site a few times when it was JanimeS, it was a closed, walled-garden fife where she played queen and mod is god. Fuck her, we need less of her type and more of Hox's.
On the other hand, fuck Mangafox and any other online reader site that makes ad revenue from scanlation. Fuck Batoto too and all the whores that line their pockets with a cut of the proceeds. They're all cancer to scanlation.
Sadly there's only a handful of scanlators like Hox. It'll be a sad fucking day when he quits.
» T1 on May 19th, 2013, 6:46am
I would call her enormous hypocrite too if she earned money on the scanlation she did for free. When I started reading her stuff in 2002 (yes I'm an oldie) and till the last time I read her stuff, I never saw any donation button. I may be wrong so don't sue me The only thing she did force people was to become a member of her forum as to read her stuff. Also she was against posted her scanlations in other places.
Now if she did that then yes, she's a enormous hypocrite.
I did scanlation too for a decade so I may be a biased and a hypocrite too. I didn't care until I had my own group. You don't like to hear that people are earning money on what you spent time and work. Work what I did for free because of my love for the author's work and wanting to share this love with others. At the beginning you find it annoying, then you start getting angry/whining and in the end you are so affected that you just quit scanlation.
You see, those online manga readers just run automatically after you set them up nicely. Add ads to it. Have people to upload in the beginning and then let everyone else do that same. This way you sit back, have others do the work and then you earn nicely.
In mangafox's case you make mangahere and other online readers so if people don't go to mangafox the chance they will go to your other sites is big.
You can also as mangafox start making games such as Pocket Ninja and Pockie Pirates, or make a counterfeit shop such as Otaku Zone.
Last 3 are stuff that are directly against any kind of scanlation policy that may exist...it's directly pirating/illegal use of copyrighted stuff. These are done by money made from mangafox. Money they made from scanlators' work that was supposed to be free from people to people.
While readers don't give a damn and call us hypocrites (which was one of the reason I decided to stop.) we scanlators do feel that we are alone with the readers taking the other side, or not helping us taking those that are ruining the scanlation community down with us.
It may be sad to hear it from me but after I stopped scanlation and stopped giving a damn, I have been feeling much better. I'm reading what other scanlates and since I know how much effort they put in I thank them for the job they do. I know how big a fight it is for those who tried their best but didn't have the support from those they scanlated the manga to.
About your opinion on online readers. I agree. If people went to the scanlator's site, downloaded, read it there and commented once a blue moon...just that would affect their motivation good and they would continue for some more time.
» sara.. on May 20th, 2013, 5:52pm
This is really sad :''(
Online saits especially Mangafox ( plus ungrateful people) is destroing the scanlation community I see lots of scanlators complaining about them
For me I go to almost every scanlation group sites of the manga I read and make sure that my gratitude and my love is reaching them ♡
I wish that I can do something :/
» Hespia Klarerin on May 16th, 2013, 1:30am
and i JUST asked her if we can pick up I-ren
i guess this explains why she said yes...
» lambchopsil on May 16th, 2013, 9:08am
and i JUST asked her if we can pick up I-ren
i guess this explains why she said yes...
I changed all the pronouns to reflect this
» Rainy Days on May 16th, 2013, 1:44am
» Hinokai on May 16th, 2013, 1:53am
I always find it a little hypocritical when people condemn online readers or download sites for hosting their scanlations when they're hosting the creator's work illegally to begin with though.
» SlyzertVoltrond on May 16th, 2013, 2:46am
» Hinokai on May 16th, 2013, 3:08am
» ZL11 on May 17th, 2013, 2:19pm
There are NO scanlators (that I'm aware of at least) who feel particularly GOOD about using a mangka's work. That's why they tend to encourage people to purchase the manga when it's licensed and drop it when it's licensed. So when MangaFox and other fxxxking manga aggregator sites like it profit off their work using ads, it's REALLY annoying. Not only that, but many of those site watermark a group's work with their own marks, as if they were responsible for it.
If you spent THAT much time working on a good translation, typesetting, cleaning, QCing, only to have some site just snag it and tag it, you'd be pissed too. ESPECIALLY when it's a solo effort and an act of love, more than just a hobby.
Also, it's a scanlator's hope (most, at least) that a manga will be licensed through exposure. That's the goal: exposure, not profit. That's the difference.
» GuttedGnome on May 16th, 2013, 2:25am
Something that always make me sigh is when I see people linking to mangafox here and anywhere I go that have to do with manga. It sounds pretty much like "Ssssssiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh". A really dragged out and depressing sound.
I can understand using sites like mangafox for series that is almost impossible to get due to the scanlation group being long dead and Google only pointing to dead sites or other manga aggregator sites. But for series that currently active groups have done and perhaps still working on? That's a nono.
» weronique on May 16th, 2013, 2:49am
I also found out about Sura because of Superior, and since then I was addicted. Sura's place was really source of some atypical, intreresting mangas,
» deadphoenix on May 16th, 2013, 4:49am
Those can be saved on your computer easily and can be read easily with acrobat reader. The only thing that isn't possible is adding ads with it or split it up picture by picture decorating it with ads in a ugly way.
If this doesn't work, you can always buy the paid version with copyright protection. And if this isn't working (don't forget to send a complain to acrobat claiming your money back, if they get a lot of complains they will certainly do something against mangafox).
Their are some measurements that can delay them (Mangafox), for example; use uncommon archives like 7zip or tar. This will certainly let their ripping server crash and so it can only being added manually. It's also possible to do this with the pictures (database won't be happy with it).
A last resort is to use passwords, but please don't make it to difficult a twelve year old boy also needs to find it.
Note: if one of the readers complains, then you say: "Do something about online readers within your power, then we can do something about it." ( With a bit of luck the reader might be able to do something.)
» Hinokai on May 16th, 2013, 7:12am
» tgirl on May 17th, 2013, 7:05pm
Those can be saved on your computer easily and can be read easily with acrobat reader. The only thing that isn't possible is adding ads with it or split it up picture by picture decorating it with ads in a ugly way.
If this doesn't work, you can always buy the paid version with copyright protection. And if this isn't working (don't forget to send a complain to acrobat claiming your money back, if they get a lot of complains they will certainly do something against mangafox).
When I think about this, TZA (The Zero-Alliance) tried to have a strict way of releasing things, even if they still give you a download link next to the PDF link. (However, the download link is the one thing I can't figure with TZA and a lot of other scanlation sites.)
I have one of the highest levels of Acrobat (X Pro), but I never once attempted to split up any of TZA's projects. (I super vow never to do so since it's just...wrong.) So, I don't know if they keep theirs with a copyright protection or not. Hopefully, their pdf releases have protection of some form.
As for Sura, I go there to read Siesta, and nothing else. I'm happy that she's accomplished a lot, but at the same time, completely understand her feelings. It's her site and she can do whatever she wants. All her hard work has been abused time and time again by the aggregators much like every other scanlators' work out there. >__< I wish I could use magic to eradicate their stupid money making ads.
» hivemind on May 16th, 2013, 5:48am
» Hinokai on May 16th, 2013, 7:22am
» strixflash on May 16th, 2013, 8:08am
» Hinokai on May 16th, 2013, 8:29am
Not to mention it's specifically on topic as the news post and Sura's Place cites Mangafox hosting releases, which is my main discussion point, and I haven't been particularly rude with how I've been making my posts.
» strixflash on May 16th, 2013, 9:04am
» weronique on May 16th, 2013, 8:13am
First, it's like online readers are stealing money from the authors of these manga, and second - they kind of use the scanlation groups for it, and thus involve them in something that is not their intention. That's why I completely understand if this discourages scanlation groups from continuing their work.
» Hinokai on May 16th, 2013, 9:09am
And, in my opinion, if scanlation groups aren't prepared to have their work used by online readers, they should really take a look at themselves and the fact they were perfectly willing to use the mangaka's original work for their own purposes themselves.
» ZL11 on May 17th, 2013, 2:27pm
A scanlator's "purpose," as you put it, is not to gain money for their efforts. It is generally to introduce new manga into the community and generally HOPE it is picked up by a legitimate publishing house. It's not hypocritical for the most part (although there are one of two groups who have ignored the C&Ds). Most groups drop projects as soon as they're licensed because that's what they are aiming for. Some. Not all groups.
If you don't understand that, if you don't like it, STOP READING THEIR WORK. Damn, talk about hypocritical. If you can't get Sura's feelings, then don't read. Easy peasy.
» babel on May 16th, 2013, 6:11am
Well all I can say is thanks to Sura/JanimeS for all the years and thousands of hours (and dollars!) spent bringing us all those titles.
» xxmichellexx27f on May 16th, 2013, 8:36am
» NightSwan on May 16th, 2013, 9:14am
Regardless, this is very sad news indeed!
I'm not big on manwha, but I've always had much respect for
Sura and have read a number of the series she's worked on.
I'm grateful for her contributions and wish her all the best.
» kurokaze on May 16th, 2013, 9:41am
thanx for opening my eyes to manhwa with "Hot blooded woman".
You will be missed, success with your further endeavours.
» MaroX on May 16th, 2013, 9:56am
You missed one.
» Daichii on May 16th, 2013, 11:27am
I was introduced to the world of manga at about the same time as her group started and because of people like her I decided to contribute with the scanlation community by becoming one myself, so I know what she must feel like when sites like MangaFox makes use of the time and effort the scanlator dedicates to bring all those beautiful stories we all like so much to the language of our choosing and then profit out of it.
I mean, have you worked on a Scanlation Group before? The standards of quality nowadays are most of the time even higher than the English Publishers have, why? because they love manga.
Granted, we take the product off of the mangaka and then work on it, but we don't profit from our work, we just want other people to enjoy the stories we love so much but can't because they can't read kanji.
Granted, we have our own ego and we like it to be stroked from time to time, but that's all we ask.. to see you people smiling and maybe read a word of thanks or chat about what you like of the manga we love, etc.
But well.. I have to stop ranting and say that, it's a really sad thing Sura's place is closing, I have personally read quite a lot of your projects and it's maddening to see you go like this.
Although I'm pretty sure you won't stop completely or maybe that is just a wish from my part, please don't let those ppl strand you away from manga.
I don't know if you will ever read this but,
Love your work, best of wishes.
» MasamiAkane on May 16th, 2013, 12:15pm
Some of you just don't understand, and there is nothing hypocritical about her request. Not once do I recall her asking for donations and having ads on her site. She bought everything with her own money and funded her own site out of pocket. They were not free raws she found on the internet. I don't remember her having any ridiculous membership requirements or hoops to jump either. She shared them to us for free. The intention/purpose is completely different.
It's hard to fathom for readers why scanlators are angry at popular manga reader sites when it's not affecting (you) the readers directly. But I hope it's not that impossible for some of you to just think and put yourself in the position of scanlators like JanimeS. A little understanding should be exercised.
Good luck and enjoy the extra time you'll have on your hands!
» LT on May 16th, 2013, 12:29pm
Some of you just don't understand, and there is nothing hypocritical about her request. Not once do I recall her asking for donations and having ads on her site. She bought everything with her own money and funded her own site out of pocket. They were not free raws she found on the internet. I don't remember her having any ridiculous membership requirements or hoops to jump either. She shared them to us for free. The intention/purpose is completely different.
It's hard to fathom for readers why scanlators are angry at popular manga reader sites when it's not affecting (you) the readers directly. But I hope it's not that impossible for some of you to just think and put yourself in the position of scanlators like JanimeS. A little understanding should be exercised.
Good luck and enjoy the extra time you'll have on your hands!
She is being hypocritical. How you and other people don't see that is mind boggling.
» gundamgundam on May 16th, 2013, 2:37pm
I have always admired scanlators. They spend their free time working for others for FREE, and the only thing they get in return are insults and accusations of being thieves, copyright criminals and hypocrites by people like you. But don't worry LT, that "hypocritical" scanlator won't bother you anymore. Happy?
» LT on May 16th, 2013, 5:15pm
I have always admired scanlators. They spend their free time working for others for FREE, and the only thing they get in return are insults and accusations of being thieves, copyright criminals and hypocrites by people like you. But don't worry LT, that "hypocritical" scanlator won't bother you anymore. Happy?
One less whiny scantard so yeah I'm happy.
» Hinokai on May 16th, 2013, 1:11pm
I have no issue with Sura's Place or how it was operated, on the contrary, I find the amount of releases to be incredibly impressive and the loss of such a group to be damaging. What I take issue with is not the group itself, but the reason for closing - the blaming of online readers and download aggregators for 'hosting against the scanlators wishes'.
The best way for me to explain my problem is thus - I've cleaned around 200 chapters and typeset about 70 in my short career in scanlation, which isn't particularly many, but regardless, for none of those have I asked any of the mangaka for permission. I doubt Sura or almost any other scanlator would have gotten permission from the mangaka of their project either.
So, if a scanlator doesn't get permission from the creator of the manga they wish to scanlate, why should they expect others to get their permission for their scanlations?
That is hypocrisy, and that is my issue.
» Rinola on May 16th, 2013, 2:54pm
Granted scanlation is a grey zone, but surely it's going to adding salt to the wound to a mangaka if you're making hundreds and thousands from their manga compared to if you were only trying to spread manga to people who can't speak the language and at least buy the manga to do so?
I would have thought people like Sura especially, who had a policy of deleting scanlated chapters after a period of time and made the effort to buy the manhwa would find it frustrating that their attempts to bring more attention to a mangaka (without being hugely detrimental to sales) were being used by some unrelated group to make big profits. Where's the hippocrisy in that? If mangafox didn't have ads or were open about how much they earn from ads compared to hosting costs, people wouldn't complain so much.
It'll be sad to see such a meticulous worker go though.
» Hinokai on May 16th, 2013, 9:29pm
And no, scanlation is not a grey area. It's illegal. You can't go rip a DVD and upload the movie without sound or slap your own dub on there and call it fine. If you asked a mangaka what he thought of scanlation, he'd probably tell you that he hates it as it's illegal distribution of his work.
It seems to get in people's heads that they're somehow scanlating to help the manga, yet at the same time they condemn Mangafox and co. for hosting all that manga. But how does Mangafox get the manga? From scanlators. There's only two real differences between online readers and scanlations, the intent, and the fact one profits more than the other.
As for deleting chapters after a period of time, a member of a group I'm in asked me a similar question in relation to licensed series'. Deleting is a gesture, a nice one I guess, but still just a gesture. It's already on the internet and removing it from your site does not undo the fact you released it and doesn't make one any better than a group who proudly displays their downloads on their main page.
Should that mean we all stop scanlation so that the evil online readers can't keep running? Well, ideally not. It's just better if people are able to realize that their hobby is illegal and not some righteous charity work, and that everyone should just focus on doing it because they like manga.
» Rinola on May 17th, 2013, 5:20am
It's a sweeping generalisation to say all mangakas are angered since there are cases where permission has been sought (1/2 Prince novel translations for example), and equally manga which groups have dropped after a mangaka mailed the group to ask them to desist, I recall seeing one recently but at present I can't remember it but an example of an aggregator site would be onemanga. The impression I get is reflected here (shamelessly nicking off wikipedia lol); that at the end of the day a lot of the manga are hindered by their being in japanese and hence the audience being limited to Japan. Would you disagree that many people after reading a manga they enjoyed, are more likely to to buy it, especially if the scans/future chapters are not there compared to taking a leap of faith (I for one would never have gotten into manga had it not been for scanlations)? There are examples of manga which have become licensed following how well it was received after all.
The real issue, as I emphasised before is that the aggregators are making massive profit (without spending in the manga's works) and keeping it to themselves; they're tipping the balance since the users would then opt to read the new chapters for free over buying the work once it's out. Scanlators may not have rights over the work but for example, asking for a licensed work to be removed after the group itself has dropped it and deleted the scans surely in the best interests of the mangaka? You're right, there are the two differences you stated before, but with sites like Batoto, people complain less about it because they will (or at least should do) avoid licensed manga/take them down after licensing. The definite point at which you've trod into illegal territory is when you mess with licensed manga.
Naturally I'm not trying to paint a pink rosy world either; there are mangaka who are angry but I'm pretty sure you'll find the majority of them are more annoyed because aggregators/scanlators are scanning licensed series which would be giving mangaka profit rather than at the scanlation group. Many groups (one hopes yours included) are making little to negative profit both in money and time in buying and taking the time to translate for free; at least the mangaka has more to gain in that scenario. What exactly is the hobby in scanlating?
You want to practice japanese? Pick something less controversial to translate.
You want to read manga? Then read it, why translate it, not like the world having an english copy makes a difference to you? In fact leaving it in japanese would probably incite more leechers to learn japanese if they truly cared.
Want to procrastinate? Dude, there are methods that take less time than cleaning, scanning, translating, typsetting, proofreading, QCing and are less expensive than buying the manga to rip it apart or hosting a site.
It's most certainly not righteous but it's not wrong and bad and should be killed with fire either and I don't see how a scanlation group is being selfish in scanlating a manga (especially unlicensed?) provided they stick to unlicensed ones.
As for deleting chapters, it may just be a gesture but once again it depends on the situation. Back when mangafox and other aggregators had a massive scare and deleted a lot of the licensed manga, it's had the effect of some (true, only to a small number of) manga which were previously scanlated by groups that are now closed being lost, with new translations having to be made of the manga. As for not being any better, I bring up the point of unlicensed vs licensed manga; I agree, licensed mangas being deleted (particularly popular ones) make no difference because everyone will have a copy but many unlicensed mangas were slowly gaining popularity; without sites like mangafox holding a backup copy I don't see why it would thrive? Imagine if groups actually had control over whether their scans stay on or not; then deletion would have a bigger effect and equally the need to sign up or join would probably be less emphasised.
Thus it's still not a 2D problem. It's a sweeping generalisation to say all scanlations are evil and mangakas hate them (would you complain if your work got licensed for distribution in other countries?). I think a real distinction sits between licensed and unlicensed work and scanlation (as reflected by the earlier groups) was beneficial for the manga community. It's simply that recently it's spiralled out of control; a situation exacerbated by aggregators sites, such as mangafox who are profiting and also ignoring anything said at them. You're right in that people do have to face some facts; you could be doing something illegal, aggregators sites like mangafox don't care, and even if you killed them off more would reappear. But scanlators do have a right to whine depending on the circumstance (yes, whining because they uploaded your work and you wanted to keep it on your site is fishy but whining because someone is disrespecting licensing laws/making lots of money off something that is quite altruistic) is hardly wrong. If you don't like it, give up scanlating :/.
Applying this to sura, whilst as far as I'm aware her works aren't largely licensed, I'd suspect she wouldn't want sites like mangafox to get to her translations because once it has, she's lost control over it once it does become licensed.
» Unknown on May 16th, 2013, 2:41pm
» Daichii on May 16th, 2013, 2:52pm
well.. she's closing right?
» LT on May 16th, 2013, 5:27pm
Oh the irony.
» licorice on May 16th, 2013, 3:02pm
» Oehr on May 16th, 2013, 3:21pm
That being said, in case you are going to continue or start again, please use a proper reader on your site. there are plenty available, such as foolreader and many more.
thanks and good night!
» jj11103 on May 16th, 2013, 7:47pm
The reason Sura never used the readers you mentioned is because she did not want her scanlations to be so easily saved and uploaded onto some site like Mangafox. As Rinola said, Sura has a policy of deleting scans after a certain period of time elapses, this is also done for the same reason.
On another note, it is saddening that Sura will be leaving. She has contributed so much in the last few years and will be missed, but I do wish her the best.
» psycho-shocker on May 16th, 2013, 4:07pm
» Rinola on May 16th, 2013, 5:36pm
Take down mangafox and new aggregators will replace it. The root of the problem lies in the readers.. What will make the difference is reducing the traffic to their sites so they make less profit and this means having manga readers willingly make the change from a convenient site with a memorable URL and lots of manga there already. Sadly many users are ignorant and close minded and they have new users all the time. The scale of the problem is a lot deeper than you'd think.
» Cainam on May 16th, 2013, 6:58pm
Or if no one want to hack, just do like A Team with their scans, haha.
» cliff on May 16th, 2013, 9:35pm
» yarn on May 16th, 2013, 10:40pm
» Spearsmen620 on May 17th, 2013, 2:47am
» madmanfreak on May 17th, 2013, 7:47am
» cecropiamoth on May 17th, 2013, 4:39pm
In the real world there's a big Internet demand for manga translated into English. Scanlator and aggregator sites are together meeting that demand. Each kind of site is doing what it's good at -- translating, etc., versus collecting. Would you want all those manga that are so conveniently lined up on MangaFox to have to be searched out, laboriously, one by one, at the sites which translated them? I doubt it. Therefore MangaFox is doing a service for the English manga-reading community just like the scanlators are, and it does seem reasonable that MFox be able to make some money off doing that.
As for the scanlators ripping off the mangaka, well what percentage of the thousands of manga we can read in English on MangaFox now would ever reach us if they had to go though conventional licensing? Very few, I think. Given the differences between Japanese and American tastes and culture, there just wouldn't be enough demand in the USA for any but the blockbuster manga to be conventionally published here.
Oh yes, and if you insist on loving Botato and hating MangaFox, then look forward to living in a Disney-like manga world in a decade or so. Botato employs pretty strict censorship to keep the advertising arm of Google happy. For example, Botato kicked "Nana to Koaru" off its site. Mangfox, by contrast, seems to do very little censoring.
» Daichii on May 17th, 2013, 7:09pm
In the real world there's a big Internet demand for manga translated into English. Scanlator and aggregator sites are together meeting that demand. Each kind of site is doing what it's go ...
BS man!
What do you think bakaupdates is for? We come here to get the latests news about the manga we like and then go to the site of the scanlator group of our choosing..
sites like mangafox aren't needed..
» psycho-shocker on May 17th, 2013, 7:21pm
Damn right!
» cecropiamoth on May 25th, 2013, 5:27am
***
Someone said:
"the whole reason scanlators started was to share love for something and spread it's popularity so that there were more fans (and encourage these new fans to buy the manga too)."
Surely aggregators help do that! On an aggregator site I can quickly scan many, many manga and check out a few pages of each 'til I find something I like. In practice I read only manga I find that way--avoiding "big hits" like Naruto. I bet a lot of readers do that kind of scanning on aggregator sites, and so get to read hundreds of good but obscure manga. It would take much more time to do that by visiting individual scanlation sites one by one, and at most of those there's no way you can read a few pages right away to see if you like something you find there.
However, I now do make a point of visiting the scanlator site for a good manga I've discovered in that way, so I can thank them for their work.
» StarlightDreams on May 17th, 2013, 9:43pm
Though I didn't read many of her scanlations, she has contributed so much to the community and for that, this is sad.
» iamssjvash on May 18th, 2013, 4:39am
» Kurapica on May 18th, 2013, 11:38am
I still remember the days when I first leeched Ozanari Dungeon from their channel and now I find out it's been 6 years since then!
» NightSwan on May 18th, 2013, 1:31pm
It's obvious you don't appreciate where your manga is coming from, so if you don't anything decent to say - keep quiet.
LT, this goes to you especially.
You don't like scanlators to take pride in their work.
Fine.
We got it.
Stop repeating yourself.
Go away.
» LT on May 18th, 2013, 2:03pm
It's obvious you don't appreciate where your manga is coming from, so if you don't anything decent to say - keep quiet.
LT, this goes to you especially.
You don't like scanlators to take pride in their work.
Fine ...
I just find scanlators double standards amusing.
» wanderlustee on May 19th, 2013, 2:54am
While MangaFox may seem like the primary "culprit" for JanimeS/Sura's decision, majority of us readers/fans are to blame too for not trying to know more about the scanlation scene, the ethics (though questionable to some) that guide it, the amount of time and effort it takes to come up with a release.
Opportunists like Tazmo are still active and has multiplied and we readers don't really much care. Forums aren't as active as before and I don't even know how simple "thank yous" reach the scanlators nowadays.
Posting here the link on the history of the scanlation scene for those who haven't read it yet http://www.insidescanlation.com/history/index.html
» loki lee on May 19th, 2013, 10:43pm
I'm sad to see all the old timers go, and sadder to see ethics be ignored.
» Trimutius on May 20th, 2013, 8:16pm
I even have my own list of mangas that are scanlated by some nice guy who don't bother to create a site and track them regularly. (Check out my "Read Other" custom list, well some of those are russian scanlations, but mostly it is such types of scanlations that are not tracked by baka-updates)
» cecropiamoth on May 25th, 2013, 5:38am
Posting here the link on the history of the scanlation scene for those who haven't read it yet
http://www.insidescanlation.com/history/index.html
I read the entire history, and what I discovered from it was there seems to have been a sense of "belonging" that came from subscribing to and reading manga through a scanlation site, getting to know the people there, commenting in their forum, etc.
Unfortunately, having gotten interested in the history of early radio (1900-1930) a while ago, I learned that in any new medium there seems to be an inevitable movement from fun, friendly usage of that medium toward, first, increasing commercial usage of it and, finally, absolute control of it by huge corporations. Most likely the Internet will go that way over the long run. This comes about because everyone needs money more than almost anything else. Add the incredible greed that capitalism rewards and in fact honors, and you have a fearsome force that takes over everything. MangaFox, et al., are the forerunners of the Internet's likely future.
» okigen on May 31st, 2013, 4:05pm
» dwindling on September 30th, 2013, 1:30am
Personally I find these scanlators ethics conversations boring.
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