I'd like to see you attempt this. Whether you agree with it or not, trying to force your gay son into being straight will not work. You will end up with a (possibly even gayer) son that will resent you for life. Even if you did make him "act" straight, he would not be happy due to the fact that he's being forced to repress feelings that he can't help. Having a stripper shake her ass in his face every day will not make him any more inclined to women. Like if you absolutely hate beef, but you're force-fed it every day, will you end up liking it? Doubtful.

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Not need to get so bent out of shape about sexual curiosity, static. Homosexual feelings are perfectly acceptable and we won't think any less of you for fantasizing about having your anus ravaged.

The science really doesn't back you up here.

While there is definitely anecdotal evidence to suggest that psychological trauma could potentially trigger that sort of change in the individual, think for a moment about how absurd it sounds to suggest that 8 out of 10 lesbians are rape victims. There are substantially more lesbians in any given industrialized society than there are rape victims to begin with- rape only occurs, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, about 0.04 times for every thousand people, or roughly 0.004% of the total population of the US, just as an example. Though the estimates can be much higher, a conservative estimate of the number of willingly self-identifying homosexuals is about 4%. Even assuming that women were inexplicably less likely to identify as gay than men (in fact it tends to be the opposite, but we'll let that slide), 1% would be high enough to suggest that your '8 out of 10' comment was grossly mistaken.

Not really something that's 'easy to prove.' In fact I see very little evidence validating your viewpoint.

Obviously I'm being a little ridiculous- you didn't mean just rape, necessarily. It could be an equivalent psychological trauma. But there's just no unbiased statistical evidence to suggest that- the rates of severe psychological trauma just aren't high enough. The whole 'homosexuality is a choice' line of logic is pretty outdated in most industrialized societies. But I guess we don't really need to argue about it here. History will validate that viewpoint over the next twenty or so years.

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As long as "normal" humans exist in this world, humanity will continue to exist.

I should create a manga about the world filled with 99.99% gay people and the only 00.01% of heterosexual people left was forced to be gay. Centuries had passed, and the human race was diminishing. Scientists were forbidden by the government to clone new humans.

The human population was decreasing exceptionally fast - decade, after decade, after decade. Gay people were really worried. They couldn't find anymore new lovers to entangle with and call themselves gay couples. So they started looking for heterosexual people to have sex so that the world could be filled with more humans to turn gay.

The heterosexuals declared war on the homosexuals - blaming the gays for the less populated human race. The war continued for 100 years. The heterosexuals won due to the less numbers of the gays solders.

Since then there was a new law, if a baby was thought to be gay,the baby would be educated about the awesome possibilities of the other gender. And if that human-being refused and continued on with their gay attributes, they will be sent to "HOMOsexual island" - and they will be told on a daily basis that their sexuality is a threat to the human race. The end.

Gay people can have their genetic code continue in the gene pool by:

Artificial Insemination w/ donated sperm for female couples
Surrogate Mothers w/ donated ova for male couples

The genetic questions have been solved. You're welcome.






Also, stop being a troll Static.

Everyone else, Stop feeding the troll.

And hates not good for any of you...
It makes your heart sad and breaks it.


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It was just an example and you take it as the whole argument, that itself is wrong. Pay atention, i said that probably 8 out of 10 gay men would be hetero if they were to have all their memories wiped and were then re-educated with a normal life style. Also i had see it happen my self, people changing their sexual behavioured due to a traumatic experience, i had even tried sex with both sexs and talked with people than went trough that. I just presenting facts, if you think your date is more reliable then so be it. Education can lead to sexual identity, situations can lead to a change in such, the thing about the rapes was such a really easy to prove and to understand example about how that is true, "People are born homosexual" that is, at it absolute best, an inductive theory, meaning than even 1 example that probes otherwise make the theory obsolete. It is also quite ridiculous to take that as the real number of rapes when more than 60% of rapes are never reported in USA only (that is a good number i might add)


So let's go at it again, One proof that the theory "People are born homosexual" is enough to throw it down (that's not my decision that's how logic works is you don't believe me look it up), therefore education, situations and such are factors, so since most of the population is hetero (as you said only 4% is gay) then saying that 8 out of 10 people in the described situation would then be hetero is logic (and i'm trying to said that is my logic, i'm using data and making a theory by the book, once again if you don't believe it, look it up)






Why not? is so cute

No

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You missed the key sentence where I said it wasn't the entire argument- the number of traumatic experiences just isn't high enough.

If you want to look at unreported rapes, also look at closet homosexuals. I gave you the conservative estimate- the real number is substantially higher. The whole 60% thing is also a little dubious, you say that it's a good number, and it's probably not a terrible estimate, but it's also impossible to calculate with total accuracy, and I'm sure you know that. But even assuming they were reported, that would still only amount to 0.01 percent, so the argument's internal logic would hold.

No one said "every person who self-identifies as homosexual necessarily has a genetic predisposition" in fact, I even acknowledged that in anecdotal cases traumatic experience could (theoretically) cause a change in sexuality. That doesn't mean that happens in 100% of cases. Education really isn't everything here, and the science does consistently back that up. But if you don't believe me, ask the vast majority of self-identifying homosexuals. It tends to only be heterosexuals who make the assumption that it's a choice (again, not 100% of cases, I'm just talking majorities in conducted surveys.)

I get that your argument is that education is what causes sexuality overall, but honestly, there's no evidence for that. If you want to do a highly unethical experiment where you, say, take sets of twins, separate them at birth, and test their future sexual orientation by having them grow up in environments which theoretically support one sexuality over another, then be my guest, but similar experiments involving twins tend to favor nature over nurture.

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And you are missing the part where i said your logic is flawed, you are committing one fallacy after another, seriously look it up.

If you want to go to the example then let's use a much more exact one. In Sparta, quite different to what was said on the movie xD, all males were tough to have sex with their fellow warriors so they would protect them more fiercely. When they retired from battle they would then make a family with a woman (the woman would cross-dress as a man to make the change easier).

In other words, education lead to sexual behaviour.


But that's beside the point, so i'm going straight to it. You see a deductive theory would come from the form

Something 1 ergo Something 2

Something 1 happens then Something 2

And an inductive line of tough is that I see something 1 happen 10 times so Something 1 always happens. (one could be enough to make the theory)

The inductive theory here would be "Sexual behavioured is not affected by education", one evidence is enough to prove an inductive theory wrong. So by the example above we can say this is no true

Ergo Education "Affects" sexual behaviour (please do notice that i said affect"

Ok, since most of the world population is Hetero, 8/10 is actually not the real relation so where did it come from?

from this:

Education Affects sexuality:


we change someone education from scratch ergo we affect his/her sexual behavioured.

Since this is a deductive theory the reality of the premisses ensure the reality of the resulting theory.

Therefore it is easy to said with out a shadow of doubt that if we change someone education we can change his sexual behaviour.


Now to go to the 8/10, we take into account all numbers (i'm really tired of writing) and we get something like that, the number is beside the point anyway, my point was that education change sexuality.


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Man, It's pretty weird accidentally stumbling across these old forum talks, and seeing how the world views have changed...