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There seems to be a little bit of a mess with the tags that are an adjective plus a character type. "Lazy Male Lead," "Lazy Female Lead," "Lazy Character," "Indifferent Main Character," "Clever Protagonist," "Rich Girl," "Rich Boy," etc. There are too many names for the character type part... this needs to be standardized somehow.
The question is how... I feel like male/female lead is overly specific, maybe they should be renamed/merged with the boy/girl ones. The main character and protagonist ones should probably be merged, too. But sometimes the adjective is pretty specific or uncommon and it doesn't seem worth making any distinctions, so I was thinking of just putting character for those.

There's a similar situation with the animal-person/kemonomimi tags. There's a tag each for cat-girls and cat-boys, then there's also the "Nekomimi" tag, and even the general "Kemonomimi" tag. For cats, it seems to be worth splitting it into genders, since there are a lot of each, but then again the gender-neutral term nekomimi is also well known. For less popular ones though, maybe it'd be easier to use only the gender-nuetral term (but "rabbit-person" and "rabbit-girl/rabbit-boy" are pretty clunky terms, and I doubt many people know the term "usagimimi"). Then there's the really obscure things that don't seem worth even having an animal-specific tag (like ushimimi), so maybe those are best grouped under a general tag like kemonomimi.
Then again, maybe we should stick with one kind and use it for all of them to keep things simple? I'm inclined to favor this one, and I'm leaning toward calling them all gender-neutral ones, like "rabbit-person"... except maybe I'd still keep the cat-girl and cat-boy tags separate, since there are so many of each?

...It's hard for me to decide, so, what do you guys think?

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My guess is that those tags were probably deleted by accident, but I could be mistaken. If we knew who made the change, then we could ask that person... Better yet, if the one who changed it wrote down the reason somewhere, we wouldn't even have to ask.

So some type of log for categories does sound very appealing: it could have the change and who changed it (like Toto said before), and also the reason why. (I guess the first two could be automatic, but the last one'll have to be typed by the user--doesn't have to be intensive though, since the most important thing is just to tell whether the change was by accident or whether there was a real reason.) If this could be a list accessible to all users, then people could check this when some category goes missing instead of having to post here.

As for undoing accidental deletions of categories... I was thinking, it's recorded whenever a category is added to a series, so there's got to be some way you could add the particular category to all the series that have had it added to them before. (Or at least make a list of those series, so that a person can add the tags back using it.) It's not exactly undoing, since I think it'll add the tag even to series which have had the tag added but then removed (as in, ones that aren't supposed to have the tag), but I think it's pretty close. For categories with really high usage numbers (for which would be a pain to look them all up through other means to re-add the tags), I think the efficiency is high enough to be worth doing.

My solution for the present is, if you have a tag which you've spent a lot of time adding entries to, copy the list of entries into notepad, that way if it does get deleted and it was an accident, you can use the list to know which series to re-add the category to.

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I second this.


And might I suggest removing the 'Out of Character' tag since it the only title listed for it is a doujinshi, which makes it seem rather redundant and unnecessary.

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Okay, I killed the first one.

I'll leave the second to lamb so see what he wants to do with it.

(and for a second I thought this was added in the forum section below this one.)

Oh, and Catz... you can just make a change request for removing unnecessary categories. It's how it's mostly done.

(you edited your post... so switch the "numbering of my post and that'll make my post correct again)

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Catz and deathbypenguin want tags to be sexually differentiated.

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Go for it, but I won't be the one doing it

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It's not really a request about you doing it, but more of a request to not converge categories that are sexually divided.

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Gender Bender tag yet we have a Gender Bender genre?

Also, the drop down suggestions for adding tags doesn't seem to be working for me in FF 4. Works in IE 9. Any suggestions or thoughts as to why?

EDIT: Well, it works it seems; however, I have to move my cursor from the text box.

While I'm here... I'd like to suggest adding categories during the series addition.

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Dealt with.


That one would be good.


Question for anyone that reads Bara/yaoi... is the series Sanwa no Karasu have a Miner or a Minor in it?

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That would be a hilarious typo. <8 Sorry, too afraid to check for you~



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not sure if its been suggested before / is feasible or not but:
Advanced Search by Categories

Categories are an awesome way to search for manga, but most of the tags are way too vague to search with on their own, or what your trying to find can be too specific.

examples:
- Crossdressing with Androgynous Male Lead
- Karate and Couple
- Stupid Couple and Happy Ending
- Short Girl but not Loli

wouldn't be that powerful at the moment seeing as category tags are seemingly done at random, according to the random tagger's style and familiarity with existing tags. But as categories become more used, an advanced search would become even more awesome =)

another suggestion, dunno if the coding is feasible though.

There's a whole lot of similar tags cluttering up the categories system at the moment that at times are identical except for a single detail (the boy/girl thing that was mentioned a few posts back)

what if the tags had a hierarchy of their own, mostly for search purposes. That way if your searching for the catgirl tag, you'll also get results for the nekomimi (if it hasn't already been merged actually..) but also have a link to the master tag of animal-characteristics/animal-person/kemonomimi.

no idea if its feasible or practical, but its a thought for one way to tackle the current messiness of the category tags. If at some point a standardization of category tags is contemplated, a structured hierarchy could also serve to hold the whole thing together so it doesn't dissolve in to super specific tags or on the flip side overly general tags, gaining the benefits of both (somehow..)

actually, if all the category tags were structured and categorized into a hierarchy like this, we could eventually end up with a search system where you search by Main Lead > Behavior Characteristics > Lazy > Female, with only the Lazy Main Lead and Lazy Female Lead tags showing results. same goes for Animal Related > Kemonomimi/Animal Characteristics > Nekomimi > Cat Boy, with only the last three showing search results.

sounds like one heck of a feature... except for the almost 3150 existing tags you'd have to go through (and possibly the coding) ... but grouping/sharing/hierarchying existing bundles of easily recognized and popular groups of tags could be one way to get started, as well as clean up the system could revolutionize how one searches for new manga! XD well, revolutionize it further!

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Coding searches is... exceedingly difficult. Google makes it look way too easy.