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Post #393572 - Reply to (#393569) by loosecannon504
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There's no reason for MangaUpdates to close down. They're not hosting anything illegal. Just information.
The manga industry doesn't have that kind of money to go and shut down all the scanlator groups anyways. So I don't think we need to worry about that right now.

Yeah, that's true. I just hope no publishers find this site cause if they do then they'll be able use it as one huge list of targets what with the links and all...

I'm sure they are aware of the site but it's too much work to go after every scanlation group. As crenshinibon mentioned in his post shutting down the online readers takes care of most (or large enough part) of their problem.

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Post #393574 - Reply to (#393572) by waftingwish
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There's no reason for MangaUpdates to close down. They're not hosting anything illegal. Just information.
The manga industry doesn't have that kind of money to go and shut down all the scanlator groups anyways. So I don't think we need to worry about that right now.

Yeah, that's true. I just hope no publishers find this site cause if they do then they'll be able use it as one huge list of targets what with the links and all...

I'm sure they are aware of the site but it's too much work to go after every scanlation group. As crenshinibon mentioned in his post shutting down the online readers takes care of most (or enough) of their problem.


Sweet merciful lord I hope you're right. This website is my lifeline at the moment.

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Post #393575 - Reply to (#393560) by Crenshinibon
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And, seriously people, do you realize how juvenile the "I'm not going to buy any ever because they just want my money" stance sounds? I'm not sure I even want to get much further into this one... it's just so unreasonable and illogical.


I agree with your post as a whole, but this part especially. I'm not particularly angry at the publishing companies for doing this; it was a logical step. I mean, they're in it for the money, not out of the goodness of their hearts.

Actually, in all honesty, I think it was a good move on the part of the publishers. After I found out onemanga was closing down, I found myself considering buying a couple of the medium-ish completed series ( medium = 15-25 volumes) I re-read on there regularly, just so I wouldn't have to go through the trouble of downloading and unzipping them. I'll probably end up downloading the series anyway, just because I don't have $130+ to blow on manga just because of laziness, but I would have never even thought of buying them if onemanga hadn't been shut down.

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I'm more mad at the Japanese leechers than the publishing companies. I mean for those of us on the other side of the world getting manga of any number legitimately is extremely expensive, with limited selection, time consuming for raws, and often the official translations are limited or poorly done (need a petition for stopping the use of slang in English trans.). But if you live in Japan with half a brain, a part-time job, and a Book-Off in town, there is NO and I mean absolutely NO reason to download manga. While I was in Japan I bought 50 volumes for roughly $100 US at Book Off (the exchange rate was a lot better then though). Its easy and inexpensive and actually more fun to get the hard copies while in Japan. I'm not surprised that the publishing companies and manga industry are reacting. Its just like Napster and the music industry. And I think the results will be very similar. The companies are stupid if they think that only doing this and not lowering their prices or making some sort of concessions for the internet will keep their profits up. Any leecher or pirate worth their bandwidth will find a way around what ever they do. But on the flip side, any site hosting raws or scans of any decent size can't expect to continue indefinitely. Sooner or later the lawyers will be sending letters their way. Even in countries with less copyright enforcement, this is bound to happen too. International political pressure (combined US and Japan govs. for example) will lead to new laws or long court battles just like the whole Pirate Bay thing.

Still it all comes down to greed. A corporate driven world where governments bow to industry lobbyists and blood-sucking company Execs. and a ever-increasing sense of entitlement and justification of theft on the part of the consumer. Both sides are in the wrong and taking it to the extremes. Companies back to the monopolies of the 1900s (think The Jungle by Upton Sinclair) and consumers to more communal ideas of property than most non-communists would normally claim to believe; along the lines of the hippie movement of the 1960s. dead

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As we speak, i am have looked up over 17 small manga online reading sites... >,< So I hope the Pirates win... or else, I will have to stop reading manga... I mean, there jsut has to be a loophole somewhere right?

Post #393628 - Reply to (#393548) by mewarmo990
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It's really too bad to see this happening. Understandable, though. If there was an site that illegally offered books for free online viewing, Amazon and honest retailers would go out of business, after all.

ROFL that's a bad example since there are sites as scribd and such. I can find on the internet any book i want. I have over 10G of books in my computer and still buy books and papers every day, and I don't exagerate here, I buy at least a book every day.
I would also buy manga if it wouldn't cost like 10% of the medium wage where I live. It would be cheaper to just order the originals form Japan.

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i'm just glad that onemanga is closing down. they stole everything from lurk (irc channel) , and then just post it there right to their site, so people with disability to understand how to download from xdcc bot, and the one that just plain lazy to download it (damn guys, try to become less parasite society) can read without a few click and copy paste xdcc command.
Its piracy for god sake, no wonder they shutting down those site, because its really obvious for them to see just plainly that their manga already being ripped off whether licensed or not. At least on irc, its not in the goddamn plain view. Now, lurk user has down drastically since there's so much fucking manga online site, and now(at the moment i posted this) their bot still down because its still need donation. You see where this all will coming down? No manga archives anymore from irc, and more of mangaonline site will be closing down. I blame all lazy leecher here who only wants to read fucking manga online, instead downloading it from somewhere like irc.


Post #393636 - Reply to (#393527) by Pikapu
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I have never bought any manga, and I simply dont plan on doing it. There is no demand for it(i live in Texas) and I cant remember seeing it in any bookstore ive been in lately so oh well, I will continue doing what I have to do to get the free manga period, call it what you want pirating stealing whatever. Those money hungry bastards dont give a damn about us they just want whats in are pockets and they arent getting shit from me


well said. eyes


it's the same for me. I live in Sabah, Malaysia and the bookstores here don't have the mangas i want to read. We have extremely limited choices and some are not even interesting to read!!

Post #393639 - Reply to (#393555) by fr33noob
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Here in the uk, the variety in manga in bookstores is next to none. The release consistancy is unreliable. The mangas are sparce and because of this there is no reason for a fan base to build much. Where do you go if thats the case? The net!

Nah you're wrong about no variety in the UK. You're just not looking in the right place. You want manga? Go find Forbidden Planet. They've got stores dotted all over the UK with loads of manga to choose from.
We can't complain about having no manga in the UK. I buy manga volumes no problem.
Waterstones also sell manga funnily enough although yeah, their manga stock is limited indeed.

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Here in the uk, the variety in manga in bookstores is next to none. The release consistancy is unreliable. The mangas are sparce and because of this there is no reason for a fan base to build much. Where do you go if thats the case? The net!

Nah you're wrong about no variety in the UK. You're just not looking in the right place. You want manga? Go find Forbidden Planet. They've got stores dotted all over the UK with loads of manga to choose from.
We can't complain about having no manga in the UK. I buy manga volumes no problem.
Waterstones also sell manga funnily enough although yeah, their manga stock is limited indeed.


Can't complain?
laugh
Come on that stuff is dated and you know it.

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Here in the uk, the variety in manga in bookstores is next to none. The release consistancy is unreliable. The mangas are sparce and because of this there is no reason for a fan base to build much. Where do you go if thats the case? The net!

Nah you're wrong about no variety in the UK. You're just not looking in the right place. You want manga? Go find Forbidden Planet. They've got stores dotted all over the UK with loads of manga to choose from.
We can't complain about having no manga in the UK. I buy manga volumes no problem.
Waterstones also sell manga funnily enough although yeah, their manga stock is limited indeed.


Can't complain?
laugh
Come on that stuff is dated and you know it.

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Can't complain like other people can. There are some countries that have literally next to nothing. At least we have something. Of course we're never going to be fully up to date. That's a given...
Do you even buy manga by any chance?

Post #393646 - Reply to (#393560) by Crenshinibon
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Plus the scanalotor groups seem more reliable in translating mangas eek


I'm sorry, but I'm just completely sick of this rhetoric. etc etc etc don't want a wall of text sorry bigrazz


I'd actually like to just disagree with a couple of the points mentioned here. While, as you say, I don't know any japanese, so cannot compare the accuracy of the translators of scanlators/professionals, I do have extensive graphics design knowledge, so I can comment on that.
For the most part, even though the publishers get better raws than what is available online, the majority of the editors are just plain bum lazy when compared to scanlation editors (leaving out text, misplacement of words within bubbles, erasing kanji and not refilling the background thus leaving white space where the kanji were that really stands out from the page, etc). While not all scanlation groups are of decent quality (I can think of a few abysmal ones), I have found that the average quality put out, editing wise, is actually greater than what is available in stores.

Onto onemanga closing down, I am annoyed. I would use the random function to find new manga, then give it a shot. I didn't read it online a lot, but it was helpful for discovering new series, and as consequence I have bought volumes in stores that I wouldn't have otherwise. Onemanga and things like it are essentially free advertising. I feel like the coalition is blaming online sites for their downturn during a global recession, personally.

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Here in the uk, the variety in manga in bookstores is next to none. The release consistancy is unreliable. The mangas are sparce and because of this there is no reason for a fan base to build much. Where do you go if thats the case? The net!

Nah you're wrong about no variety in the UK. You're just not looking in the right place. You want manga? Go find Forbidden Planet. They've got stores dotted all over the UK with loads of manga to choose from.
We can't complain about having no manga in the UK. I buy manga volumes no problem.
Waterstones also sell manga funnily enough although yeah, their manga stock is limited indeed.


Can't complain?
laugh
Come on that stuff is dated and you know it.

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Can't complain like other people can. There are some countries that have literally next to nothing. At least we have something. Of course we're never going to be fully up to date. That's a given...
Do you even buy manga by any chance?


Hmmm...ill admit i didn't know about that bookstore waterstone so my buying was limited laugh
But nothing beats online you know. Do you buy your outdated mangas then?

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Here in the uk, the variety in manga in bookstores is next to none. The release consistancy is unreliable. The mangas are sparce and because of this there is no reason for a fan base to build much. Where do you go if thats the case? The net!

Nah you're wrong about no variety in the UK. You're just not looking in the right place. You want manga? Go find Forbidden Planet. They've got stores dotted all over the UK with loads of manga to choose from.
We can't complain about having no manga in the UK. I buy manga volumes no problem.
Waterstones also sell manga funnily enough although yeah, their manga stock is limited indeed.


Can't complain?
laugh
Come on that stuff is dated and you know it.

:/
Can't complain like other people can. There are some countries that have literally next to nothing. At least we have something. Of course we're never going to be fully up to date. That's a given...
Do you even buy manga by any chance?


Hmmm...ill admit i didn't know about that bookstore waterstone so my buying was limited laugh
But nothing beats online you know. Do you buy your outdated mangas then?

Do you called FMA outdated? Forbidden Planet is pretty much up to date with the publishers releases too. I buy online as well. Amazon ftw.

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My only thing is that I won't be able to afford buying the manga I want to read. My family needs the money more than I need my entertainment. I guess I'll just have to hide out in the local bookstore, hoping the staff don't see me shy

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