Haven't watched the raw but I do like to spoil myself..so could you elaborate?


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Well this was sure one hell of an episode. I really don't think there is too much in the way of dissension within the ranks of the Black Knights at this moment, though this operation has caused a few doubts on the part of some of it's members. What these men do not know of course is that those "kids" were not exaclty unarmed, and those scientists had been creating douches like Rolo. I had actually always assumed that Lelouch was going to destroy the facility as that course of action was the most logical in my opinion. I was suprised to find that this was not the original plan. In reality it is not nearly as bad as it looks to the uninformed. I think Lelouch would be wise to allow those that participated in the operation to know that those children were weapons, and the scientists their designers.

I think that if those men knew how much of a douche Rolo was they wouldn't mind killing those kids. He killed someone who wanted to help Zero/Lelouch not harm him in any way; then turns around and tells Lelouch that bullshit story to cover his own ass. (Thankfully Lelouch got to hear what Shirley really felt before she died. So he wouldn't fall for Rolo's bullshit.) All because this fuck has a brother complex!

Suzaku has seemingly sunk to a new level of douchebagery, it's quite pathetic really, this fuck has to know Lelouch got his memory back, yet he still wants to pretend he doesn't know so that he can (apparently) justify drugging someone to get the truth out of them...............

Come on how much more information do you need to have in order to be able to tell that Lelouch is back in action? If this retard was smart he would just do a suprise inspection of the basement area of the academy......Instead he seems to be resorting to something just shy of torture. I seriously hope he is not going to stoop to that level.

Hang in there Karen don't listen to the super douche!

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I was reading the recent posts since I've been MIA from the Geass talk for the past week. I was wondering how or why you said C.C. was in a bad position. I just watched episode 14 and it seemed like Lelouch had no intention of killing her like he did with the Order. I agree though, the next episode might be an episode of just catching up and talking about things that were out in the open.

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The episode was pretty interesting. I actually fell off my couch this time. Amazing how anime on your 30-something inch tv differs from anime on the computer. :] I won't post any spoilers for yet because the episode releases barely came out. In the beginning, I kind of had a bitter feeling for Code Geass. It wasn't like I hated the episode. It's just the first part of the episode made me feel really weird, but in a good way. I don't know how to explain it.

I guess I'll just tackle this episode one at a time.

I'm guessing V.V. is a horrible master for everybody wanted C.C. to save them. I wonder what happened in between the time when C.C. was the leader and then V.V. I think the fact that V.V. basically "throws away his trash like nothing" or as he considers his Geass failures. From throwing away his failures, the people have lost trust in him and have led to the hard lives of many families, especially the children. That's my guess to why people were rather praising C.C. when the Black Knights came and the reason why they wanted to escape from V.V.

Plus, they still call her "C.C.-sama" or "Master C.C."(Depends on which version you watched. I think GG had C.C.-sama and Eclipse had Master C.C. I'm going by the Eclipse version because I trust them more. ^^). That much mean they still respect as their leader or it could be in those type of situations where you still call somebody your leader even if you have a new one.

Unfortunately, Rolo really did kill Shirley. -Sighs- Although after this episode I liked Rolo a little less. I think it was because he basically said "I killed one of my brother's best friends and I don't care" which was somewhat disturbing to me. Now we know FOR SURE that he'll die in the future. If he doesn't die in the next couple of episodes, Lelouch will just kill Rolo himself if he has to. -_-

Suzaku just amazed me beyond words that it made me laugh so hard. I never knew he was that kind of guy who would lie to someone such as Kallen. I don't think her loyalty to Lelouch/Zero will waver though. I think it was just a way for him to convince Kallen to come to Britannia's side because he knows that Kallen has more than enough potential to whoop his fucking ass in a knightmare battle. He just sunk to a whole new level of douchebag-ness.

After some consideration to the reaction of the Black Knights, I think there will be a rebellion in the rebellion. That fat guy's reaction to killing little children was shocking. He questioned Zero's authority and might just question what the Black Knights are really about since Lelouch has no intention of telling everybody that he is doing this for Nunnally. Probably not though because a rebellion from within the Black Knights might not be able to fit into the limited 11 episodes that Sunrise has to end the entire Code Geass series.

As a side note, I never noticed Siegfried was so uberly HUGE. It's like a Shinshirou x3.

I think V.V. just got owned there. Cornelia already knows that V.V. is pretty much Charles' right-hand man so I don't think she'll be following Britannia anymore. The chance of Cornelia welcoming Lelouch into her list of allies is still uncertain though. She still can't forgive him for being the one that disgraced Euphy's name.

When Charles asked V.V. if he was the one that sent an assassin to kill Lelouch, I got the feeling that Charles probably still care for his children enough to not want to kill them. But those two obviously like to lie to each other.

Charles vs. Lelouch. Wonder who is going to win. They're pretty much opposites based on physical appearance. Charles is uberly huge and Lelouch is uberly skinny.

Not much to say about Lelouch and the Sword of Asharta though. However, I'd love to hear somebody's opinion about what Charles definition of redemption.

@shadowskill: I'm a little appalled that you think massacring a non-military institution filled with women and children is validated. It basically just happened because Lelouch is still immature (understandably immature, but still immature)- he's just working through his rage and sorrow for Shirley's death by killing. That doesn't do anything productive- he could easily have just captured VV without killing most of them. With Jeremiah there the kids with Geass really don't matter. The logical course of action would be to use the already in place research facility for your own purposes- which would work since he has CC on his side.

Are you actually suggesting that people who were raised in a psychologically traumatic way deserve to die rather than be treated for it? They were at a stage where they could still recover like Rollo was slowly doing prior to killing Shirley. It's not justified- it's effectively genocide.

Suzaku's actions aren't anything new. It's just a piece of "destroying evil at all costs". Using drugs on a captive is hardly worse than massacring a city, it doesn't even kill anyone. For the record, he actually doesn't know for certain, he suspects it and he knows he can get Kallen to confirm it. If he just killed Lelouch out of the blue and it turned out that he wasn't actually Zero he would regret it even more than killing his father, it's a perfectly logical course of action. Suzaku has done things that are far worse than drugging Kallen and rightfully regrets them. Unless he actually knows that Kallen's mother became addicted to refrain at one point, he's really not being cruel at all, just pragmatic.

@kwan: Yeah, I made a couple minor translation errors that shifted the tone of their conversations. I mention it in the edit in my previous post, sorry about that. She's actually in a pretty good position at the moment. Also, CC-sama is probably more correct than master since it's literal. It's just a sign that they respect her a lot, not that they consider her to be their master necessarily.

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Let's take a look at the pattern we have Mao who got his geass at the age of six or so. Fast forward a few years and we have a man who can't even be near people because their thoughts force their way into his mind. He's completely insane, and tried to manipulate someone into killing another person. Rolo's power was abused and he was used as an asassin. Let's assume that Lelouch was able to hide all of those children in the containment boxes, and decided to let the research scientists live. Someone else may find out about them, and begin abusing their research again....Remember Lelouch is not immortal, and even immortality would not be a gaurantee that the order would not be abused because even an immortal can be deposed.

In real life the weapons of war are not nessecarily created or designed by millitary personnel, an entire town was built to support the Manhattan project; are you going to suggest that it would not have been logical to destroy the town and kill or capture the researchers involved in building the most powerful death weapon in existence?

Some kinds of power really are better off not being used by anyone, at any time because the potential for it's abuse is far too extreme. Lelouch's geass for example grants him near god like power, that no human being should ever possess. Taking over the order is really a shortsighted strategy when you consider the overwhelming power that it can grant to people. It's even more dangerous when one considers the potential side effects if the geass goes out of control and it happens to be a particularly powerful one. The SAZ massacre is one relatively small example of what can occur in that case.

It is also not wise to assume that one would always use a given power wisely, and operate accordingly.

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Of course it's not always wise, but this is on an entirely different level from the manhatten project. The point is not the development of a weapon, but the research of Geass- something that apparently had no issues while CC was in command, but was corrupted by VV.

It should be obvious from this episode that everyone can't just obtain a Geass and have it be useful. Aside from the ability depending upon the person, it can grant physical disabilities and the like as well. Lelouch is apparently an anomaly.

Just for the sake of argument, let's agree that Geass is something too powerful to leave unattended. It's entirely possible to confine VV, eliminate the small group of children (which is better than confining them to high-pressure cells permanently, although I don't agree with either solution), and shut down the facility without killing hundreds (potentially thousands) of innocent researchers. Their deaths serve no purpose other than to satisfy Lelouch, who ironically believes that it will help Shirley rest better, when the main source of her discontent in the first season was the killing of innocents which ultimately resulted in the death of her father.

If we assume that Geass can be appropriately confined and controlled by CC and Lelouch's successors, then the facility is far more useful to Lelouch while it still functions. It allows him to learn more about the nature of the abilities (including things that CC may not know, considering she was once mortal), how they function and ultimately how to stop Charles and VV. He may even find a way to "kill" immortals permanently. It's only logical to exploit every possible advantage, which has always been Lelouch's philosophy behind his actions when he's not blindly raging. Heck, he could even use it and then dissolve it and destroy the knowledge prior to his death. As long as VV and CC (and whoever gave CC and VV their initial contracts) are around, Geass can still be created, so destroying the facility on its own doesn't do anything.

Mao didn't go insane because of his geass alone, there are other factors (including the circumstances surrounding his childhood and CC abandoning him), but his own abuse of power is what lead to it in the first place. His Geass wouldn't have evolved if he hadn't overused it. It's entirely CC's mistake for giving it to him, but that's unrelated to the order's existence since CC never mass created Geass puppets while she was in command.

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Did Charles have Suzaku's memory altered as well? I was under the impression that Suzuaku's memories were intact, and was able to recall all of the events in season 1, in particular when he shot Zero's mask off, revealing his identity to be Lelouch. This is also when Karen learned Zero's true identity as well, I believe. Also, is Suzaku aware that Karen knows who Zero is and vice versa?Unless Suzaku actually believes that there's another Zero, then there shouldn't be a reason why he should be drugging Karen, other than to break her by revealing a secret that she's tried desperately to keep (by using refrain, no less.)

As for the rest of the episode itself, I was expecting Lelouch to take more advantage of Jeremiah's Geass canceller rather than Jeremiah's piloting abilities. Though I guess it is understandable that Lelouch takes his rage out on the Geass cult, since it was Geass that killed Euphy and Shirley (nevermind the fact that Lelouch wouldn't be where he is w/o it). I find it pretty strange that Rolo still has faith in Lelouch despite Lelouch's obvious attempt at destroying any and all things/persons involved with Geass (which would include Rolo himself). I'm highly anticipating how Lelouch finally takes Rolo out. As for Cornelia, I wonder if she sees Euhphy's revenge carried out or if she believes Zero must be taken out as well. Interesting to see what happens to her from now on. On another note, is the KnightMare that was seen in the shot of Marianne the same one in Ashford Academy?

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Suzaku wasn't memory wiped, but Lelouch was. As a result of that and the intelligence reports that continually confirm that it's not possible for Lelouch to be Zero again, the natural conclusion would be that Lelouch is not Zero. Suzaku is suspicious of him though (for a variety of reasons including him being the only known person in Shirley's vicinity prior to her death), and because Kallen knew who Lelouch was at one point, it's logical to think that she would know whether or not the current Zero is still Lelouch since she's still a member of the Black Knights, and is his personal bodyguard. He just wants to confirm that the new Zero is Lelouch so he doesn't make any mistakes in exacting his vengeance. It's necessary for him because he doesn't want to harm an innocent person.

He explained it to Rollo as "VV having the ability to interfere with our happiness" or some such nonsense. Naturally, Rollo ate it up.

It's the same KMF. The Ashfords are apparently related to Marianne, and inherited the machine after her death.

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Hmm, do you see Lelouch surviving after all this? And what about Schneizel, will he be the 'end boss' or will it be the Emperor?

Also, why isn't Nina dead yet.

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You know, i just need to get this off my chest. So if you have a complaint about it, keep it in your head.

Now, in the beggining, There was suzaku Lelouch and nunnaly. They were friends. they did circlejerks and other things. then, There was lelouch and Nunnaly, For Suzaku went off to Jerk the Emperor. Then, Lelouch and Suzaku meet again, and they were friends. Then, Suzaku meets Euphy and Creams his pants everytime she says something, for she was the love of his life. Then, Euphy died, and suzaku learned what hate was. So, He hated zero, Only to find out his best friend was zero. So, instead of hearing Lelouchs side, he assumed that Zero forced euphy(Cause he wanted to, not cause of an accident) To kill people, and then wanted him dead. So Zero and Suzaku fought, and Kallen won the fight for Suzaku. So Suzaku, Now formally known as Douche bag, Got a promotion to a "Knight of round". So, after that we are at s2.

S2: Douche bag meets up with lelouch and acts all buddy buddy, but he still hates lelouch deep down in his soul. He even shows it sometimes. But thats understandable, for his Love died by Lelouch's hands. And because of that, his actions are understandable. BUT!!!! What he just did is unforgivable (Yes, all that was to lead up to this). He is using refrain on kallen just so he can be sure that when he kills lelouch, only to find out lelouch didnt kill Euphy cause he wanted to, He wont regret it.

So heres the thing. Douche bag was ok in the beggining, even after he started being gay, But using refrain on Kallen was the last straw. I hate him. I hope he dies. And lelouch, I hate him right now too, Mainly cause hes JUST LIKE DOUCHE BAG RIGHT NOW!.

Ok, onto some predictions. My gut tells me that cornelia will find out lelouch killed euphy, but Forgives him cause she finds out his geass is out of control. But Douche bag, having tamed the wild kallen, forces her to give it up and ends up ending Lelouchs life, only to regret it and effectively banhammer himself. The end.


Yes, i see him surviving now, but he will die soon. S-san will be the final boss. and nina isnt dead cause shes the Token Table fucker. Thats all.

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Thank you for for admitting they're basically the same (at least on several levels), for some reason no one likes admitting that -_-;;.

In the Suzaku manga, Schnizel has apparently already killed the Emperor and succeeded him. That's not to say it'll happen in the anime, but that scenario has been thought of at least.

My predictions:
-Lelouch is alive at the end (Okouchi, the head writer, said that the ending for Lelouch is "satisfying". With him being the most popular character by a large margin, death wouldn't be satisfactory to many fans.)
-The Emperor may very well die or be Geassed, but it won't be next episode. Still, Schnizel will likely be the final opponent (just look at the opening -_-) if it turns out that destroying the Gods is inherently bad (most probable outcome).
-Nina probably won't die. They'll give her a few redeeming traits or she'll nuke Tokyo and have to atone for it. Either way, they have a variety of interesting endings they can do for her other than kill her, which likely means that they won't kill her, no matter how many people hate her.
-Just going down this line, it's possible Suzaku's live Geass makes him use Nina's bomb. That would cover the "forces him to do something that makes him wish he could die" requirement Taniguchi mentioned at the beginning of the season.
-Cornelia will join Lelouch. Period, she was even rescued by Jeremiah, I can totally see a scene where he acts either furious at the Geass or breaks down because of Euphie's death to gain her help. As soon as he says Marianne she'll be in.

The voice cast for next episode came out, it's pretty small. It looks like we get to see the conclusion of the scene with Suzaku and Kallen. The only really weird thing is that Nina's seiyuu is listed (actually Rivalz's is too), which means we'll have scenes that waste my World of C C.C. development. It looks like I might be wrong and Shirley and Euphie, or Marianne and Anya don't appear either, so I guess all of the World of C development belongs to CC. Not much to complain about, I just want more Anya...

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You guys could write a flipping book within a matter of days.

I'm just going to say one thing and one thing only: If Suzaku doesnt die within the next few episodes, I'm gonna buy a few Suzaku posters and tape myself burning them.

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