Note: I finished both stories.

Aku no Hana and Onani Master Kurosawa.

First, Aku no Hana. What the hell with bringing another girl into the story? The brutality with Saeki experienced and even in the end she didn't end up with Takao. I also get the feeling that she married that guy because he looks like Takao and even if Takao tells her to break up and go with him, I'm sure she would do it.

Nevertheless, whatever Saeki experienced was just brutal, she even lost her virginity to be with him but he kicked her away. At one point, she really did resemble Yuno(Mirai Nikki) with her psychotic behavior but I think it's Takao who was at fault. The final couples just disappointed me.


Second, Onani Master Kurosawa. Why, why? Why it has to be the afro guy with Takigawa? Kurosawa and Takigawa would have been such a perfect couple... I mean, where the hell did that come from? that was so sudden, there were absolutely no scenes whatsoever with them together and yet they suddenly became a couple.

Sugawa, how the hell did she started talking to him so casually and how did they became close all of a sudden? I think it was a rushed ending and a horrible pairing.


Anyways, I took everything out of my chest, I hope for some reply's.

Last edited by Kirishu at 5:02 am, Jun 10 2014

I'm not going to comment on Aku no Hana, because I've not read that far yet, but if you're reacting to Onani Master Kurosawa in this manner, then it's done its job.


Finish the story.

That's the best thing about Onani Master Kurosawa =) The angst this manga can give you. But don't complain, the whole story is completed even the after juvenile part so you aren't left here (when the scanlation was there it was just completly destructive xD but my NTR-lover side was happy)
Just one word : continue =)
And y eah it's sudden from the view of the MC, but that's what I find this manga pretty good, other characters have a life and important moment beside what happen with the MC present.
That's the main point you know, putting the MC in the worst of his life and the reader feeling the same. But life goes on and everything will find their place. It's not like it's that dramatic to have your crush not loving you back but instead love someone else. It's a hard time but not the end of the world.

Last edited by morphin007 at 12:16 pm, Jun 8 2014

I think you misunderstand something, I have already finished both manga's.

@Morphin, I know that it's not the end but still I wanted them to be together. I just can't believe it, I'm super disappointed with what happened and will probably have annoying dreams about it.

At least that's how I feel about this manga.
But yeah I understand the harsh part when the pairing you root for is completly destroyed (and in OMK it's done in the worst way possible). Generally I drop mangas that I know won't follow what I hope to happen except if it's really well written like this one (but I didn't know before hand and I started to follow it before the end of scanlation. At least Emergency Exit was damn fat, 1 chapter per day...)

Last edited by morphin007 at 12:17 am, Jun 10 2014

Suguwa bullied him and yelled at him every single time, what's so great with this relationship? He and Takigawa really matched together. They had same interests and even forgave him for the horrible thing he did.

The thing is that I don't know if the manga will follow what I wish but when I do, it's already close to end.

Btw, I just can't get enough from Aku No Hana. It's was so good yet also disappointing. My most favorite moment was when the girl lost her virginity to him(technically raped him) and turned into some sort of Yuno(I believe you know what I mean). Later on she goes to meet him and Nakamura while there is blood between her legs. I just don't know how to describe it, I just loved it.

In the beginning, he loved her and wanted to be together with her but as the story goes, he lost interest in her and later she chased after him even though he did some brutal things to her. I just don't get how they didn't end up together. I also believe that she chose that guy because he resembles him in a way(and like I said before, if Takao said that he wants her, I guarantee that she will agree to that).

Use the spoiler BBCode for revealing story.
And read both of the story untill the end.. both of them are very good.

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But I did finish them. Why would I open a thread like this before reading them?

I already mentioned that there will be spoilers in the title.

I liked the afro guy + Takigawa pairing. We saw no build-up because the story was from Kurosawa's perspective and he was under the delusion that her friendliness = feelings for him, but I believe that there's a sequence in which he comes to understand how well afro guy and Takigawa relate to each other.

I didn't have any particular like or dislike for the Sugawa + Kurosawa pairing.

Guess I just didn't really care about the romance in that story, lol. I understand that Kurosawa repented in the end but he isn't a character who I can personally empathize with.

What makes you so sure that she had no feelings for him? Maybe she did have but couldn't express them? Still, I'm really disappointed with the pairings.

Personal bias, I guess - I'm a friendly person as well and it seems like this is easily misinterpreted by inexperienced guys. I don't see anything in Takigawa's attitude that goes beyond being nice to the loner. I understand your frustration though about the love interest changing direction mid-story, I've been irritated by this on a couple occasions as well.

The whole point of Onani Master Kurosawa is to teach some life lessons, not to present a story where everything goes as the reader wants it to. Because in all likelihood life won't go how you want it to either. That's a pretty common theme in coming-of-age stories (having some applicability to real life), therefore it's important to think about the story and characters as real events and real people rather than agents for your own wish fulfilment.

This part of the manga concerning the MC/Takigawa/afro guy love triangle - I think it's designed specifically to make you feel the same feelings as the MC, the feelings of injustice and disbelief that this improbable couple including the girl he likes have gotten together out of nowhere. Then it challenges you to look past that and think about the way he's reacting. He's self-centred. He doesn't respect their feelings and choices, because he's hurt. He hates them for being happy together which isn't fair to them, and he hates the person Takigawa becomes after beginning to date afro guy, even though she's obviously happier this way - he wants her to stay the way she was because that's what HE likes.

Even though there was no concrete sign she ever liked him back, he's angry - he felt entitled to her. Even though there's no sign she knew the MC liked her - he felt betrayed as if she had done it to hurt him. Even though she and the MC were only casual friends/acquaintances so there's plenty of time when they're apart and she could be developing feelings/a relationship with afro guy, and didn't have any reason to tell the MC about it - he doesn't think of this, it didn't necessarily come out of nowhere, he just didn't know about it. Even though afro guy is a great person who has only been kind to the MC and to others, in stark contrast to the MC's reclusiveness, tendency to objectify the girls in the school and his holier-than-thou attitude - he still thinks afro guy doesn't deserve Takigawa just because the MC dislikes afro guy.

It's a lesson about not being self-centred and only considering people's feelings and actions in relation to yourself. It's a lesson about seeing people as human and respecting their choices even if they hurt you. It teaches that just because the MC finds afro guy obnoxious and nerdy, this doesn't mean afro guy is a bad person or undeserving of Takigawa. And just because he likes Takigawa, that doesn't mean he's entitled to have her, because she doesn't exist just to be his love interest. In short, this part debunks the idea that Takigawa is just the MC's love interest, and afro guy is just the nerdy comic relief guy. Nope, they're main characters in their own right with great depths you might not be able to see, just like everyone in real life.

It also teaches that sometimes your crushes and your feeling of connection with other people will not be mutual and that's not a tragedy, it's just life. It's probably going to happen to you and it's probably going to hurt, but again, you need to respect that other person's feelings and decisions, and don't give up hope that you will find someone else who really likes you. In the meantime, if the person you liked romantically just wants to be friends, that's not a consolation prize or an insult or an injustice. It's not their fault they don't like you romantically, but the fact they want to be friends with you shows they respect you and like you as a person. And if you care about them, you should want them to be happy, even if that happiness is with someone else.

As for the MC I feel that's a very strong sign of how much positive character development she and the MC had gone through. Therefore, the fact that they began to see each other in a different light was evidence of how much more mature they had both become, and it also shows that having a rough time at school and in previous relationships, or having unrequited feelings, or doing bad things to others, doesn't mean that the future is bleak and your life is ruined forever. You can change things by changing yourself. You always have the ability to atone and to mature as a person, to develop, and to make things better for yourself and others. And through doing that, there's a chance you'll get a happy ending:



even if it wasn't exactly the happy ending you always dreamed of. Because sometimes the happy endings you dream of are simply not possible. The MC managed to overcome all his difficulties because he confronted the person he had become and his bad attitude to other people during the earlier parts of the story, and he took steps to seek forgiveness and to make himself a better person.

In light of all these messages, I consider OMK one of the most profound manga I've read, and I think it's a very important coming-of-age type story for teens, especially men who feel extremely victimised by being rejected/"betrayed" by women.

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Yeah, Onani was good for the first bit, then got terrible.

I can only quote you, I 100% agree with what you said.

If I can add a little thing: when ou think about it, in a typical romantic comedy Afro Guy would be the nerdy good-natured guy who in the end gets the girl, while Kurosawa would be the "antagonist" loner who does something bad but still gets forgiven in the end. I think this reading adds another layer to this already deep story.

Thanks for your replies.

Can you also comment on Aku no Hana?