I'm completely agree with your statement! I'd be happy if the things I strive for happen but not because me but because everyone's own will. They have to happen from inside, not from the outside.

The causes are good thing but what if they support some hatred of oppression? I see them in the same way as my previous thoughts, positive only if they support something logical.

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Hatred of oppression is a tricky topic; though I believe it is logical because it is created through the need to express one's self more than it is "I hate him because he hates me" sort of deal. It is more defence than offence. The shield drops as soon as the offender shows signs of understanding - nothing personal, just situational.

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Yep, and in some of the cases this is like a "defence in advance". "He is xxxxxx (something different than me) so he/she would attack me, I have to defend myself!!!!" The offence could well be masked as a defence, there's no doubt.

Oh, I get tired from so much seriousness. *goes to see the newest VF raw she found today* *gives yaoi cookies to all yaoi fans here*

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It takes an empathetic person to spot that trail of thought, as distorted as their ideals may be. However finding such motives could help a person plan for the next step. Life can be a cruel game of chess sometimes.

But yes... a break is much needed! @_@;; Love -gay or straight- should be celebrated. *takes a cookie*

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yaoi is hightly recommended by females. They ´re just to cute

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I didn't read anything except the first post (and I bet the OP doesn't even read this anymore anyway ) - but I really do feel that this topic is rather unnecessary.

Yaoi is a genre akin to hentai, yuri, shotacon, lolicon, smut and ecchi - primarily focused on appealing sexually to the target audience. If you make a post questioning the 'correctness' of yaoi, then what about those others? If someone thinks that manga primarily focused sexual content is 'wrong' (like I do), then that is fine. But in this case, simply targeting yaoi (or yuri, for that mattter) is nothing but homophobia; and is rather immature and unjust.

I don't read yaoi, yuri, hentai, shota/lolicon, smut, ecchi or harem manga. I usually avoid romance, shounen-ai and shoujo-ai unless the story is very interesting, cute or funny. But I don't think that just because I dislike them, manga under those genres should not exist. (Though I do strongly believe that shotacon and lolicon are terrible and useless genres which should be banned by law - but that's off-topic)

Manga is fiction - and is therefore supposed to be enjoyed. People who think that only the genres they approve of should exist in the world are, in effect, claiming that only they have a right to enjoy themselves, while anyone who can't conform to their idea of 'fun' is not worthy of enjoyment.

In my opinion, such an attitude is reflective of that person's narrow-mindedness, selfishness and hypocrisy; nothing more, nothing less.

hum. well i am not a crazy fangirl who will do anything for yaoi manga.....but i do like yaoi manga!!!!! i think that its fun to read...although i am not sure why i like it. i read just about anything <3

i only read the first entry too..... but you are totally right!

Eh first of all, it's not exactly another sub section of romance, because the amount of readers are very limited compared to other romance sub-genres, second of all, yaoi is made only for the fujoshi audience, and 90% of the readers are fujoshi's, and what do you mean "quality of the butt slamming"?
if you want quality butt slamming you can check hentai animes since there's a sea of them.
and i'd also like to point out that yaoi is 90% plot 10% sexual content, so this whole buttslamming and biased invalid point of yours doesn't really apply to it.

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Perhaps the fan of yaoi are more active and actually rate. Whereas I read shounen and shoujo before, but I never felt the need to rate them before. So shounen and shoujo manga lovers are lurkers lol.

Just wanted to focus on this one line, because honestly, it's not. Yaoi is about as far removed from homosexuality as Lesbian porn is.

In fact, I'd go as far as saying Yaoi is basically as shallow and vapid as Lesbian porn. And that's not even mentioning how it pushes the worst concepts of homosexuality forward...the whole Uke/Seme dynamic, how all gays are about anal sex, how gay men try to "convert you" because "you actually like it", etc.

Not to say that I have a problem with the Yaoi genre existing, because it's not much different than all the other fantasy fulfillment fluff out there. But let's not pretend that hating the genre is even remotely related to homophobia...

Thank you, thank you. I love yaoi, but as I like to say it is just about as accurate a representation of gay lifestyles as Inuyasha is an accurate depiction of the life of a typical Japanese schoolgirl. Whether you like or dislike yaoi has very little to do with what you feel about about homosexuality, and I suppose vice versa. It absolutely drives me nuts when I see people saying, "I have no problem with gays, so I don't mind yaoi" or the reverse. Yaoi as you say is fantasy fulfillment for us girls who like it, and I'll have more, please.

I've heard time and time again that yaoi is a female orientated demographic but I'm a straight woman and I honestly don't see what the fuss is about. I just can't be aroused by two dudes on each other...maybe it's cause I can't relate? I mean, I've never had a dick before so...whatever it is that fangirls spread around I just can't seem to catch it. Good or bad the overwhelming amounts of yaoi is pretty unfair.

i agree with you guys up to a point. yes the yaoi genre has very little to do with real life homosexuality. however, i do think that there is a lot of discrimination against yaoi because people are homophobic. most of the comments i see criticizing yaoi say things like "ew, two men having sex is disgusting". i have never seen people who hate yaoi explain it as "i hate yaoi because its an unrealistic portrayal of gays". a lot of people discriminate against yaoi without having read it, without knowing anything about how gays are portrayed in it. they simply think "i don't want to see men having sex with each other". its not always because they are homophobic, but sometimes it is

True, it has been stated many times by the mangakas themselves that yaoi is a pure fantasy made just for the fujoshi audience, and yes, some people hate yaoi because of homophobia, some people hate it because it's "weird", and others hate for various other reasons, i also used to dislike yaoi, mainly because the thought of 2 guys all over each other does in a way disgust me, but once i got into the genre, i found out it's all about the plot and what interesting stories it had to offer, i won't deny i did come across like 2 or 3 smutty yaoi's that made me think of quiting the genre, but then i realized those kind of yaoi's come ocasionally, for all of you people who hate yaoi, it's not about all about d!cks and blowjobs, trust me, it's more like 90% story and the rest fujosh-service, heck half the yaoi's i've read didn't even have a kiss scene, so yeah, don't make assumptions on yaoi before you get to know the actual content.




"but as I like to say it is just about as accurate a representation of gay lifestyles as Inuyasha is an accurate depiction of the life of a typical Japanese schoolgirl."

I'm not sure what you mean by this line, but if you're saying that yaoi is realistic then you're 100% wrong, it has nothing to do with real life homosexuality, and like you said at the end (which is what got me confused about this first line) Yaoi is pure fantasy for the girls who like it.




Oh please, don't compare yaoi to hentai, yaoi is made to entertain and fullfill the fantasies of a fujoshi girl, let's not forget it's aimed at the female audience so the sexual content is limited, and it's not made to "appeal sexually" to the audience, while hentai is plot-porn for the large audience, and it's more of a mainstream thing. i also like to point that there were many attempts in japan to ban yaoi, and some cities did ban it, take osaka for example.
what i'm trying to say is, your point is rather invalid, it's pretty much what a totall internet homodramatic idiot would say, just because people hate yaoi for obvious reason makes them narrow-minded? i don't get it.


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