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Post #668399 - Reply to (#668397) by cmertb
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I suppose this is the main problem. The admin does whatever he wants and tlers sign up as peons to do the work for him so he can get his ad revenue or whatnot.

For this to work, it needs to be a community thing.

Besides, if it ever gets even close to popular, it'll get shut down immediately. Host ...

Well, the owner isn't forcing anybody to translate for him, nor is he going around trying to recruit people to do so. It's technically a "community effort" since there are actually people who volunteer their time to translate on the site.

And, if the site does get shut down, then so be it, right? roll

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I can only implore to look at my linked Alexia rank on page 3 again as ML is a top 50.000 site with a ranking of 29,943 so MU simply couldn´t ignore it. If the site dies then it dies and who knows if we will get a shounen/seinen or even doujinshi/hentai "Lator" one day.
I would love it as choice is good and i don´t see a release filter as a good idea as ether we treat all approved groups equaly or we don´t but a crafty user could always conjure up a custom script as with the novels.

ML is obviously a work in progress (even MU isn´t perfect) but i would lastly like to point out that it is also a chance to get non-English translations at one place but don´t ask me for the source of the translation. Enough from me as i already had my ML crash course.
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Post #668403 - Reply to (#668399) by Sayori x3
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Well, the owner isn't forcing anybody to translate for him, nor is he going around trying to recruit people to do so. It's technically a "community effort" since there are actually people who volunteer their time to translate on the site.


So, how much did he pay you, so that you're running around here advertising it?

If he has no goals, like you claim, there would be no need for advertisement.
It's obvious as hell that the site is sub-par for scanlation, so promoting it doesn't do any good. There are way better alternatives. So again, how much!?

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Post #668404 - Reply to (#668399) by Sayori x3
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Well, the owner isn't forcing anybody to translate for him, nor is he going around trying to recruit people to do so. It's technically a "community effort" since there are actually people who volunteer their time to translate on the site.

And, if the site does get shut down, then so be it, ...

I'm simply evaluating whether I or any other tler should contribute to that site.

To me, the answer thus far is no. I definitely don't see any signs that it is a community effort. Or rather, I see the potential of a community working for the sake of one individual, and I don't see any guarantees that it won't end up that way. The very fact that the owner isn't even trying to recruit people already tells me he doesn't care about creating a real community. Or the site simply isn't ready yet. Regardless, not something I'd join at this time.

If it gets shut down, so be it -- provided you weren't a contributor. Because in that case all the effort you put in it will be wasted.

But the general idea is worthwhile, and maybe one day it will be implemented.


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Post #668405 - Reply to (#668394) by PROzess
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Hey, I'm not the one whining about scanlation being "dead" because of people like me here. Boo hoo.

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Maybe you ought to get a job then instead of spending time on scanlation?


And how exactly would that benefit my readers? If I quit they won't be able to read the manga I do anymore, but he ...


I'm not whining, I'm stating facts.

I didn't expect you to care about readers when you rip them off for money.


You're just butthurt that people don't care about your scanlator "honor". If you think that scanlation is dead, then stop bitching and just quit. Jesus.

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I'm 100% sure we aren't talking about charity organizations here but let's go the off-topic path. Yes, those who actually use only 5% of the money on the poor people while giving money to the high-end staffers are trash. We had a huge drama over here when it came out. Still those people you meet on the street, do not get any money cuz they are doing it for helping the poor. Anyway, true charity is done without getting anything in return. Like when you collect money, take a trip for your own money and then go help a village who are in need of money for medicin or school books or a house cuz a tsunami/earthquake came.

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Wait, what? No one is asking you to do 5+ hours every day on scanlation. You are doing it yourself! You cannot blame this one on anyone. Now asking for money to cover your bills because you don't go out and work, cannot be anyone's problem but your own. If you don't scanlate, someone else will. That's how it was 10 years ago and that's how it is today. What's fair isn't that you get a payment, its that you stop making scanlation a business when it's not. The service you provide should be free without any cost. Otherwise you are doing it wrong. wink (Or I've been doing it wrong for over a decade!)


Sorry, but that's so far off from reality I don't even know where to begin correcting you lol

Let me just say that the majority of manga will never be scanlated. So, no, if I quit then there won't be someone who appears out of nowhere and picks up all my projects.

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Post #668406 - Reply to (#668404) by cmertb
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So, how much did he pay you, so that you're running around here advertising it?

If he has no goals, like you claim, there would be no need for advertisement.
It's obvious as hell that the site is sub-par for scanlation, so promoting it doesn't do any good. There are way better alternatives. So ag ...

Nothing. I've never spoken to the owner even once.

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I'm simply evaluating whether I or any other tler should contribute to that site.

To me, the answer thus far is no. I definitely don't see any signs that it is a community effort. Or rather, I see the potential of a community working for the sake of one individual, and I don't see any guarantees t ...

Frankly, if a contributor translating for the site was doing so in hopes to make some sort of profit, they probably shouldn't even be there. Hence, even if the site were to shut down, they shouldn't be in any way concerned about it.

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Post #668411 - Reply to (#668406) by Sayori x3
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Frankly, if a contributor translating for the site was doing so in hopes to make some sort of profit, they probably shouldn't even be there. Hence, even if the site were to shut down, they shouldn't be in any way concerned about it.

Why is it all that you can think of is profit?

There are two considerations:
1) Your work should not be wasted. What's the point of contributing to something that will get wiped out without a trace and with no warning to you?
2) Your volunteer work should not serve to provide monetary income to someone else.


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I'm a little confused why nobody actually tried to get in touch with raffmanga to ask her herself.

She clearly stated that her webpage is not supposed to be any kind of 'competitor' for real scanlation groups, that's why she purposely uploads low quality raws and adds giant watermarks.
She just wants to give people that are very eager about the newest releases the opportunity to take a look at them.

Mangalator was added so translators can add translations in any kind of languages on a free basis. This solely serves the purpose to feed people's curiosity so they know what's going on in the newest chapter (since scanlators take much time to catch up). This does not replace high quality scanlation, but it's just another option for leechers (like myself).

Besides it has a really nice community and imho, the translations done on mangalator are not bad. Mostly japanese translators openly talk about their language degree and ask others to help fix mistakes etc. Since many want to contribute as well, they translate it into their own language (spanish, french, etc.) and as a result, the community grows bigger and brings manga to those, that only speak their mother tongue, as well.

For me this is one of a kind and as Sayori said, nobody is forced to visit the page or pay attention to it. But I certainly will do, even though I highly enjoy good scanlations as well smile
(Then again I don't see the issue with taking the best of both?)

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Post #668436 - Reply to (#668433) by Himmelsfeder
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I'm a little confused why nobody actually tried to get in touch with raffmanga to ask her herself.

She clearly stated that her webpage is not supposed to be any kind of 'competitor' for real scanlation groups, that's why she purposely uploads low quality raws and adds giant watermarks.
She just wan ...


How much did they pay you for this positive review?

Post #668438 - Reply to (#668436) by QueenVIP
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How much did they pay you for this positive review?


Wow, how hateful some people here are. I guess that's why I left MU for a few years. But it's good to see that some people who have no idea about a webpage and have never visited it are never ashamed to badmouth it or its visitors.
Well, ignorance can be bliss when your eyes are directed inwards.

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Post #668444 - Reply to (#668438) by Himmelsfeder
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Wow, how hateful some people here are. I guess that's why I left MU for a few years. But it's good to see that some people who have no idea about a webpage and have never visited it are never ashamed to badmouth it or its visitors.
Well, ignorance can be bliss when your eyes are directed inwards.

I just asked a simple question. Blaming MU for how its members behave is far to foolish.
You have to realize that you leaving MU does no harm to MU. It's the other way around kiddo.
And yes, ignorance can most definitely be a bliss when there are way better alternatives.


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Post #668452 - Reply to (#668433) by Himmelsfeder
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She clearly stated that her webpage is not supposed to be any kind of 'competitor' for real scanlation groups, that's why she purposely uploads low quality raws and adds giant watermarks.

If she says that, she's either naive or disingenuous. Any kind of low quality release is a competitor to a higher quality one. There result will always be the same: either the higher quality group will have to drop their standards or they will have to drop the project. In either case, the overall quality collapses. Because it takes a rare kind of maniac to stubbornly keep translating something that's already done by someone else, even if your quality is allegedly higher.

If ML tlers consciously work on projects that someone else is already working on without a good reason and without even trying to see if the original group needs help, then they're just being selfish assholes. Not that anyone can stop them.

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Post #668453 - Reply to (#668444) by QueenVIP
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I just asked a simple question. Blaming MU for how its members behave is far to foolish.
You have to realize that you leaving MU does no harm to MU. It's the other way around kiddo.
And yes, ignorance can most definitely be a bliss when there are way better alternatives.


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I am not being ha ...


This will be my last reply as I see this is going nowhere, you aren't ready to see what's wrong in your own actions. To answer your question as you seem to be oblivious towards my former answer: I did not get anything for it, I just stated my personal opinion.
I do not intend to harm MU, but I also don't really like to hang around in a community where people like you randomly offend those with a different opinion, even implying things (where are we going next?).

Also, it is a really bad trait to deny subtle provocation and put on an act. You should work on that, it'll help you improve yourself.
Have a good day.

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Post #668455 - Reply to (#668402) by residentgrigo
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i don´t see a release filter as a good idea as ether we treat all approved groups equaly or we don´t


Mangalator is not equal to real groups, so there's no problem in treating it differently. It IS fundamentally different, as discussed here.

I understand plenty of people are fine with garbage, so sure, MU should track it for them. To each his own. But for the rest of us, I think there should be an option to remove its "releases" from our reading list.

Post #668457 - Reply to (#668452) by cmertb
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Claiming Projects
http://mangaupdates.com/faq.html?cid=7#item58
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In the practice of fair scanlations all around, we (MangaUpdates) do not endorse, permit, allow, etc any sort of "claiming" series as projects from any individuals or scanlation groups.
This means please don't put a message "Future project of ____ group" on a series info page or a download message on a release to the effect of "We of ____ group plan to do _____ series" or anything similar to that effect.
This has always been our policy, and we have previously warned offending individuals. Please comply with our wishes.
Offenders will be warned and then punished on second offense

Why did none accuse me of getting paid by raffmanga? As i am getting paid.
In form of translations for quality female targeted manga laugh . In form of timely raws too.
So do people have actually questions regarding the administratively approved ML or does the board need to go in circles for another 3 pages? That is cool too as watching the three stooges of MU is entertaining in it´s own right.
Viel Spaß noch und hallo Frau Himmelsfeder.

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