Quote from zarlan
Quote from Transdude1996
You're born as male or female.
Yes, but whether you are born as a male or female, isn't determined by your genitalia.
Quote
unless you consider genetic modification
That wouldn't, and couldn't, change a persons gender ...or sex, either, for that matter.
Not in any way, shape, or form.
It would appear that you don't really know what genetics is (as well as not really having a clue about gender ...or sex, either, for that matter)
I noticed that you avoided one of the questions that seems a little crucial to the argument, so I'll ask it again:
what is wrong with being born as a guy or a girl?Quote from zarlan
Quote
Of what variety?
The variety that sees and/or treats females as inferior ...which exists aplenty.
You didn't answer the question. Women
are inferior when it comes to physical aspects such as strength and speed and stress limits, but they are
superior when it comes to other physical aspects such as flexibility and agility and endurance. So, again,
what variety of "misogynists" are they?Quote from zarlan
Quote
you're never gojng to be able to dictate how every inidividual person views any and all matters.
You have to be able to change every single individual on Earth's view, on a matter, or it's pointless?
I appreciate that you do your best, to be so clear about the fact that you are being utterly disingenuous.
No one, trying to have an
honest discussion, would argue like that.
You were the one who dismissed the existence of a law that a country has just because:
Quote from zarlan
first of all I was talking about peoples attitudes. Not the laws.
Quote from zarlan
It's not about being taken as a cisgendered person of that sex. It's about being accepted as being the gender that corresponds with your gender identity.
Why do you even
NEED a "gender identity"?
What is wrong with being born as a guy or a girl?Quote from zarlan
As for transvestites...
They dress up as the opposite gender, but they don't think of themselves as being that gender. If they did, they wouldn't be transvestites, they'd be transexuals.
No, they're still transvestites.
Quote from zarlan
...and no, it's not a fetish.
How about you look up information, from proper sources, rather than just porn?
http://archive.fo/QQ13wQuote
Men who practice this behavior are often sexually aroused by wearing female garments which may include bras, panties, corsets, slips, girdles, stockings, shoes and even jewelry. These individuals will often masturbate while wearing clothing or may get aroused from just fondling the items.
Sounds like a fetish to me.
Quote from zarlan
...and racists?
At what point did race even enter the discussion?
Quote from zarlan
Quote
That entire study is the FOUNDATION of the modern tranny community.
...says you.
Also, the fact that his (deeply immoral) experiment failed, is only further evidence that gender identity is something you're born with, rather than something that is determined by your physical sex or how you're brought up.
But, his experiment did demonstrate that your "psychological" sex is the same as your physical sex. Again, I ask,
WHAT IS WRONG WITH BEING BORN AS A GUY OR A GIRL? Quote from zarlan
Quote
No, it's just that I don't tend care when people say offensive things about me
We're not talking about
you,
Previously said:
Quote from zarlan
How you could miss that, I do not understand.
...but then again, I've noticed that bigots tend not to be very bright...
Quote from zarlan
Quote
Are you sure this is bigotry and not just a statement of facts and/or opinions that do not align and come into conflict with your own?
Yes.
You insist on intentionally and knowingly use an offensive slur,
Using words to find porn is now offensive?
Quote from zarlan
you cite known racists, you mention "facts" that are clear lies (debunked, countless times), you use dishonest tactics...
There is no question about it.
NBC, Arizona State University, PBS,
The New York Times, Wikipedia, and Bustle are racist and dishonest sources that tell clear lies? According to other users here, at least one of those sources is "credible".
________________