I understand your doubts and they are very resonable. but pictures of each parts and how he put them together, like dismanteled wheels parts etc. would do maybe little but without video it is really hard to trust it.

Now to make AT like in Air Gear would take some of High technology. it is practicly inline skates with power of cars and stronger machines and it allows you to jump really high but they forgot that human body is fragile. Well I saw videos of guys jumping from 3 meters at least but they had to rest after that. Main damage would receavied your legs and joints in them and human reflexes are so fast if you lost your balance in high speed and crash in the shop. If there will be AT like in anime some tutorial how to land and survive would be nice. about wallride. Well i think it could be done but not as high as in anime. wallride on 20 meters high wall. I don't think it could be done.

Anyway. it's fun to try think of and made working AT that is why I am here.

I've been reading all of the post it took a long time lol but i think this is a good thing to try no matter what anyone says this can be done we all have a share in this dream lets make it a reality

yo peoples
cool it dudes!
azure's given us a little hope ok?
why don't we give him a little chance here and get off his back for a sec?

I mean, if hes really progressing that fast, its a win win for everyone right?

And if he's not, well...
It's been quite entertaining for me picturing him falling into bushes and breaking bones and stuff...

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Well. AT in manga that move person in high speed and allow him to jump high and land safely and maybe even wallride can be. we can think of systems that can do that, problem is to put it in AT itself. problem would be size of those systems and that it would be heavy. in firtst sight AT are just Inline skates with 2 bigger wheels and are really very light and resistant against damage. Let's say that we can do that but how to control it just by foot? AT will be there in future (i hope) or something like them. parts must be really small, have enough power and almost undestructable. Nowadays technology can do some parts but it won't be near to AT. Anyway, some scientists and some very clever people would really help at least with blueprints but I think their opinion would be like this "AT? We donť see why would waste our time on making it. It's just some fantasy-like idea of someone who like riding on inline skates and wants to do wallride a jump high. it isn't useful" (in case what AT are) Well I think trying to make AT is in some way fun.

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My money's on him never coming back, actually.

I also imagine that if a mod checked his IP, he might be found an alt account for a member that thought he was gonna be funny. In which case, bravo to that forum member. But that's not a guarantee.

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so basically, your saying it will require a team of scientists and engineers to make something like ATs?
that's ridiculous. it would just take a good eye for problem solving and resources which are not all that hard to obtain. take for example the wheels. i've searched for hours trying to find just the right wheel to fit the aplication. since I haven't found one you know what im doing? FABRICATING THEM
it doesn't require millions of dollars and years of research for something like this. just a decent knowledge and understanding of the basic concepts and the interactions between them.
and many people here seem to be underestimating the power of current battery technology. for about 10 lbs of equipment, you can have up to 10 hp. but the amount of power will be directly connected to the run time. so for my concept, I figured either 30 minutes or 1 hour run time would be the most acceptable. but at the sacrifice of power. see, that 10lbs of equipment would give you 10 hp for about 6 minutes (granted the motors didn't burn up from the extreme heat) or it would give you 1 hp for an hour or 2 hp for 30 minutes. the lower hp is feasable and all the parts already exist with the exception of the motors. which are not that complicated.
and xtr3m3dude, I agree with you that this guy is blowing smoke out his a$$. and I hope he knows how much a real patent costs and how long it can take to get one.
just my 2¢

not necessarily but it would help, for example he could get better materials which are light and shockproof,maybe upgrade some parts for to be more like real AT(making themrealy small then it would fit in). parts like motors to reach very big high speed and cushion system for bigger jump. He would have better resources then us. he could even tested it if it works just like in manga. I don't know how far you got with your own ideas of AT but my looks mostly like in manga. I'm sorry i can't post any images cause I mostly think about it and draw some chaotic pictures to ensure myself. Right now I'm not sure how to deal with cushion system so I'm trying to figure it out. About battery. In my vision it should be powerful enough to supply cushion system and motors with enough power to reach their limit and its small and light. it should be inside AT too. I know that parts needed for AT exists but they are low on power or on it resistance, or are big and heavy. question is how to make them small enough to fit in AT and enough powerful. Regalia are super powerful AT. It's like some old car and nowaday F1 car. well it's all about technology. So I'm not saying that we can't make them without scientist but they would help us a lot with better solutions of some parts. if AT will be out, they will be hell expensive but everything new is right. We just want everyone to find their own wings

so u guys r gonna try to make some air treks ive always wanted to try and make some after watching the show do u guys mind if i help out

Well. something similar to AT but make it make just like AT in anime would take a lot of time. Wonder if OH Great ever though it would be possible to make something like AT Anyway if you got some ideas you are welcome. making it moving at high speed and do high jump with person can be a little problematic but if we make it moving at least about 40 km/h and jump at least 2 meters with person with average weight it's step forward. After that we can make it more powerfull. Well parts must be small, light, enough powerful and durable. In the beginning of First episode of anime they say word "mikrotechnology" Anyway if you got ideas or knes someone who could help us we would be greatful

Anyway. I foung this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPSoNfmuBXc it's about in-wheel motor. Even thoutgh it is for car maybe it could help us. so can anyone understand this better than me.

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Not to dash anyone's hopes here, but isn't the concept of AT's disregarding basic physics?

The weight of your average AT user is easily going to be in the 55-75kg and the amount of power required to make them jump just 1 meter using such small motors is not something I see as possible using current technology. Not to mention get them rolling at all.

Now, I don't see wallrides or the other fancy, basic tricks in the manga as being impossible. It's just a matter of practice and knowing the limits of one's body once the problem of the motor has been solved.

I wouldn't mind see these popping up in the future, I just doubt how such a small motor could be strong enough to push and handle your average person.

in first sight i would agree with you but I think it is about speed + power of AT and riders skills. I think that problem is somethink like that. if we have for example motors strong enough for move person at high speed with no problems. how to make it small enough to fit in AT and not lose anything from its power. In manga and anime they say word - microtechnology. making things small but with same or bigger power. Like PCs. From big PC that takes whole room to small like nootebook. well mobil is aslo somehow PC just for communication. IT's just example. Tricks are about practising but do not hope to be fast learner as Ikki because he's main character of somehow sci-fi manga from not too far future. Well current technology got parts for AT except motor, but these parts are mostly big and heavy and if we got small enough it would loose its power.

Anyway in manga they say, motor in each wheel. so that means four motors on each person, two motors per one AT. In my opinion those two motors must be strong enough to move person in high speed. anyway. I think about electro motors so theres need for powerfull battery. I thought of to put several batteries in AT around your ankle. it would give more power than one battery.

I also thought that cushion system will be also big problem. not with putting it in AT but with its power again. help to make high jump, I though to use it also as help with safe landing as decrease your fall speed.

If we get working AT for one person next problem should be weight of AT. I remember when Ikki says "it's as light as feather"

anyway i split it into this phases

making AT that can run one person with high speed (according on your foot force - can reach full speed of AT and something like half speed for calm riding - maximum about 15 km/h, remember when Ikki, Kazu and Onigiri ride on one AT at the hall in low speed

making AT that allow one person high jump( they would help him also land. must be ready any time for example if you sit on some high place like tree and jump down or you want to just to jump to reach something that is high like SpitFire in anime when he first meet Ikki. He jumped right from place where he stood.

put two previous AT together and make one.

If we get this. making it more powerful, getting HQ parts and maybe creating something like Regalia (AT with most likely highly advenced and modified rear wheel like Thorn queen regalia with whips that are her rear wheels and she's riding on front wheel.but it is about High tech in AT that don's exist right now.
Right now we want to reach working AT as first stage.

And one thing. Everything must start from certain point thanks to some crazy people who can do first step to make this dream real.

Well maybe we won't be living while world become just like in AG (AT, Regalia etc.) but we can give it first most important push.

well, it seems to me that most of those in here want something that will perform somewhat like the ATs in airgear. while on my project, I've just been aiming on a few basic requirements which I see as feasable right now.
1, to be powered in the rear wheels with enough strength to keep the momentum of a 140lb total weight rider at around 30mph.
2, to have a working suspension that will provide a smooth ride as well as dampening for small drops/jumps (waist height or less)
3, to run at the very least for 30 minutes. also to use no more than 20lb of batteries/fuel cell.

so far, the only thing I can't buy or make easily is the 2 motors. I know where to get some components to build them however.
this only has to be as complicated as you make it. it doesn't need indestructable parts as some have suggested, just as durable as current rollerblades.
on the power side, I recently read up on a fuel cell which powered a large rc helicopter for a very long time and the cell itself was only about 4 lb which is amazingly light.

keep brainstorming
Grimm

something like that. We know that with current technology we can't make AT working as in AG. but we can make something like that even though it will got small power and some people will say "I'll rather do Inline skates than this piece of crappy skates with motor".

But hey. If we succes make it with same fuctions as in AG (including system for at least for low jump - about 1 meter at least), powering it up is normal nowadays and technology gets better very fast. We need working (maybe weak) prototype of AT, get it know that it works and then let it tune. it is same with cars. First cars were very slow but now cars can be very fast

We've got in-wheel motor (someone may know it as hub motor), strong batteries (even thought they may be big and heavy), problem would do cushion system (should allows you to do High jump (fly) and i my opinion also help to land together with suspension). making it control by your leg isn't so much big deal it needs to think a little about it and put it all together in AT.

well for me is problem with resources since my country isn't so good with them like others (like USA or another one) and people who would do it cause they find it unintersting and dangerous. About dangerous I agree with them but every sport is dangerous in its own way.

you know what?
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I have a bad feeling that you're right.
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seeing as he's just disappeared.
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*sigh* i'm such a gullible person...


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relax.. this thing happened a lot. i my self got fooled 3 times on this thread alone.. learn from mistakes. don't trust people more than 40% without proof.

*sigh* we're gullible cuz we really want this to happen.. and everything other's said that would shed the light into this, gave us hope and we want to believe what they said..whether it is true or false..



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