And why do they have the delay request? To make money? I don't think that's right either.
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2:16 pm, Feb 12 2012
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2:23 pm, Feb 12 2012
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2:23 pm, Feb 12 2012
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It's their own decision to make though. If they want the delay done then let it be. Different groups could have different reasons for it.
There's not always a clear cut reason. If they want a 24 hour wait then just wait it out.
After all......you piss a group off enough.....they WILL just stop (it happens).
Just accept it as is.
There's not always a clear cut reason. If they want a 24 hour wait then just wait it out.
After all......you piss a group off enough.....they WILL just stop (it happens).
Just accept it as is.
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2:29 pm, Feb 12 2012
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I just don't think it's right for a scanlator to lay exclusive claim to something they've technically already pirated to begin with. I dislike reader sites and would like to see them gone, but watermarks do nothing to stop them. I can see from comments here that they're just used by people desperate for attention.
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2:37 pm, Feb 12 2012
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2:37 pm, Feb 12 2012
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They aren't laying claim to that chapter. They are laying claim to their scanlation of that chapter.
And watermarks DO at least help to prevent others from taking credit for the release (which happens....Tazmo anybody?). If you went through the trouble making something.....would you be able to sit back when someone just grabbed it and said "look what I made".
It doesn't really have anything to do with people wanting attention (in most cases). Groups just don't like being used in ways (it can be really disrespectful and ignorant).
And watermarks DO at least help to prevent others from taking credit for the release (which happens....Tazmo anybody?). If you went through the trouble making something.....would you be able to sit back when someone just grabbed it and said "look what I made".
It doesn't really have anything to do with people wanting attention (in most cases). Groups just don't like being used in ways (it can be really disrespectful and ignorant).
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4:29 pm, Feb 12 2012
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4:29 pm, Feb 12 2012
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You still don't get it. English distributors/scanlators call it quits? LEARN NIHONGGO.
That's actually my plan: I'm currently teaching myself how to read and write hiragana and katakana (free resources are available online), then I plan to import raw shounen manga tanks to help me study kanji. Eventually I'll move on to seinen manga.
Five (to my count) birds with one stone:
1. I get to read manga.
2. I get to read manga in the manner the mangaka intends me to (nothing lost due to translation)
3. I get to read manga that have no hope of seeing the light of day outside Japan; no second/third party to limit my choices.
4. I get to read manga legally. I directly support the mangakas and publishers by buying tanks.
5. I obtain my (currently) third language; thanks to my hobby my resumé is more attractive.
There are simply no excuses.
That's actually my plan: I'm currently teaching myself how to read and write hiragana and katakana (free resources are available online), then I plan to import raw shounen manga tanks to help me study kanji. Eventually I'll move on to seinen manga.
Five (to my count) birds with one stone:
1. I get to read manga.
2. I get to read manga in the manner the mangaka intends me to (nothing lost due to translation)
3. I get to read manga that have no hope of seeing the light of day outside Japan; no second/third party to limit my choices.
4. I get to read manga legally. I directly support the mangakas and publishers by buying tanks.
5. I obtain my (currently) third language; thanks to my hobby my resumé is more attractive.
There are simply no excuses.
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4:46 pm, Feb 12 2012
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but they take out the credits page? well from what other people say they take out the notes since i dont read from MF or any NOEZ places so dont know. wait sec ill go check hmmm they dont for some of the sites from NOEZ but idk a person i talked to knew about batoto but didnt go there since s/he was lazy. Also isnt one of the reason some groups started WMing is cause they took out their credit page?
Another person i met just didnt know about mangaupdates nor was s/he interested in going to read from a different site. *shrugs* and a good amount of people dont even read credit pages ):
thats why i actually like what Japanzai did when they put that fading watermark if you read from batoto but idk some people actually complained about that too even though it had no WM in batoto. If groups WM like japanzai i wouldnt mind since i read from batoto or from their site. But yeah Prozess is doing what you say but idk it doesnt seem to have much affect but ill never know unless someone knows the traffic
Another person i met just didnt know about mangaupdates nor was s/he interested in going to read from a different site. *shrugs* and a good amount of people dont even read credit pages ):
thats why i actually like what Japanzai did when they put that fading watermark if you read from batoto but idk some people actually complained about that too even though it had no WM in batoto. If groups WM like japanzai i wouldnt mind since i read from batoto or from their site. But yeah Prozess is doing what you say but idk it doesnt seem to have much affect but ill never know unless someone knows the traffic
Exactly, everyone that picked an option other than the first on the poll is a troll, which is a good 70% of voters. Ridiculous poll, if you ask me.
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5:40 pm, Feb 12 2012
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5:40 pm, Feb 12 2012
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Beggars can't be chosers. And you really should stop acting as if scanlators were forcing you to read their work.
Again, everyone should be reading LEGALLY. You can either do that by buying official English translations or learning nihonggo then importing raw manga from Japan. If you can't do either option (for whatever excuse you have) then you resort to illegal methods: scanlation. That or you don't read manga at all.
At the end of the day no one is forcing you to do anything. Don't want watermarks? Then don't read scanlations and purchase your manga legally. You don't want watermarks but don't have money to buy legal manga? It's your loss.
Again, everyone should be reading LEGALLY. You can either do that by buying official English translations or learning nihonggo then importing raw manga from Japan. If you can't do either option (for whatever excuse you have) then you resort to illegal methods: scanlation. That or you don't read manga at all.
At the end of the day no one is forcing you to do anything. Don't want watermarks? Then don't read scanlations and purchase your manga legally. You don't want watermarks but don't have money to buy legal manga? It's your loss.
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7:55 pm, Feb 12 2012
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7:55 pm, Feb 12 2012
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I don't mind them at all. Readers have zero right to complain. If you don't like the watermark translate it yourself. Readers today are to greedy and lazy
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9:36 pm, Feb 12 2012
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lmao, watermark over stuff so we can claim it as our own? So much retarded in this thread that i was laughing all the way. Alright, we at japanzai watermark the chapters we releases and then we release a unwatermark version within 24 hours. So do we claim it as our own? Are you people even know how retarded that accusation is? I can't even related why the hell is such a stupid poll and stupid topic in here in the first place lmao. Dang, i wasted 5 mins of my life, i guess i'm an idiot too lol
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It's more than that. You forgot that it forces the scanlators into being accomplices in the reader sites' scheme of piracy for profit. The scanlators do not want any part of a profit scheme. When lawsuits are filed, the chinese run reader sites will remain immune, but because the scanlators were forced to be involved, they get attacked by law enforcement.
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The leechers make that false accusation because they otherwise have little else to say that has any heft to it. So they just lash out with false accusations of this or that. Some of these leechers are the cliche "Fans From Hell" types. No question about it.
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12:49 am, Feb 13 2012
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whoever shouldn't watermark on manga because it's don't belong to us. When you put on watermark on manga, it does make like you own that series, which you are not, dont tell me its because of mangafox/mangareader, there is only solved, STOP SCANLATIONS.
Sorry, i believe we shouldn't watermark on any manga :/
Sorry, i believe we shouldn't watermark on any manga :/
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1:30 am, Feb 13 2012
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aww Kajii, are you still butthurt over our little quarrel on IRC? aw, don't take it here man, *eh i'm sorry?* if i said that would you stop being butthurt and stuff? joke asides, we never said the manga belong to us nor will we ever (unless we manage to get a license of course), and it's only people like you who love to assume so (without any proof) and that's why threads like this keep popping up.
Personal message for Kajii: it's because of people like you scanlation is dying and dying, how many titles have you lost over the year? how many members you have lost over the year? I could clearly remember the day you were releasing 3-4 chapters of manga a day and you were laughing, bragging and saying in my face "your group better merge into Imangascans" thingy. I'm glad i was mad and kicked you out of IRC that day because had we merged into your group, i don't know how many releases of manga would have been lost because of your * excellent* leadership and attitude. I refuse to be a dying scanlator like you, dude, and stop trying to demotivate me, you can't.
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Personal message for Kajii: it's because of people like you scanlation is dying and dying, how many titles have you lost over the year? how many members you have lost over the year? I could clearly remember the day you were releasing 3-4 chapters of manga a day and you were laughing, bragging and saying in my face "your group better merge into Imangascans" thingy. I'm glad i was mad and kicked you out of IRC that day because had we merged into your group, i don't know how many releases of manga would have been lost because of your * excellent* leadership and attitude. I refuse to be a dying scanlator like you, dude, and stop trying to demotivate me, you can't.
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