that just seems strange,and disgusting... o_0

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I know this all too well. A native named Tecumseh is a hero in Canadian books, but a heretic in American books. Neither really twists information, but they make it sound in way that supports there side. I don't think Japan is really rewriting either, just removing. Either way this can be bad or good. Past mistakes can be learnt from, but there is also things that should be forgotten that will be held above the country's head.

yes i hear that everyday... japanese people say they suffered from the injustice done to them from the horishima bombing, and of course nagasaki.... but correct me if im wrong, but, wasnt that a simple retaliation from numbers of innocent people that got involved in the "pearl harbor" incident? and if my history knowledge is correct... japanese started that one, and they cant deny it... though it was also wrong for US to bomb the whole country for that.... so i guess youre right, whoevers point of view your looking at it from




yes you are right, and i hear that alot about the winner rewriting history.... but its really an excuse for people to say "human nature" or "everyone else does it".... its actually not an excuse but rather debating...... its true every country is trying their best to go towards the right path ( unfortunately not all countries ), but than answer this one for me....

heres the difference between america and japan

every american KNOWS that they took america's former owner , the indian tribes by force..... they enslaved african americans for forced labor.... and stuff like that.... and afterwards with the "dont wanna say the word but 3 capital Ks"... they know the details and i say its accurate enough..

Japan DOES NOT KNOW what they did to koreans and china.... all they know is they had their countries occupied, and thats it, and they dont know the events much of pearl harbor.....and they call it their own sense of justice in a certain view with the details anonymous..

but since im american, i guess this is just my point of view... feel free to contradict me, i just want to know the true history and other people's point of view

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First it was pearl harbor, then we declared war on japan which is a rare thing for us, then we played tug o war with them for their pacific islands and basically wiped out most of their military, our air forces were bombing the sh1t out of their major cities as well and they still were putting up a fight. the war council had Truman convinced that if he dindt drop the bomb, most likely he'd have to wipe out like most their population, which he didn't want to do. i'm not gonna go into who was wrong or right but they did surrender after the bombing of nagasaki so mission accomplished, then american business buffs and MacArthur occupied Japan and turned the country around into what it is today, well at least up until the economic bubble burst.

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I doubt it, the US has led freedom of the press protect its freedom rather than the censored culture in Japan. And Hiroshima and Nagasaki were probably the most merciful things US did to end the war. Otherwise, US would have had to invade Japan to get the stubborn emperor to bow down. Unconditional surrender were perfectly out of the question before the bombs were dropped. If US were to have had to invade Japan along with Russia, France, and England, Japan would not be close to Japan today. The complains about the bombs were about as legitimate objectively as complaining about losing the war to begin with.

The people killed in Pearl harbor were mostly Soldiers, and in my eyes those are acceptable deaths, since it was a war

However, the targets of those booms were mostly civilians, that in my eyes was an horrible act, they could have used those to destroy an important industry complex or a huge military base, however it was much easier to just drop the boom in a little unprotected city than to risk it all attacking "Soldiers".

Is up to you who was right and who was wrong about that, but clearly the US is far from the Freedom fighters they claim to be.

Japanese also did their share of bad things, they too are unclean from the experiments they committed, about the reason the Japanese attacked the US, there is always a reason, try to look yourself what motivated the Japanese to attack pearl harbor, I am sure you will be surprised.



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question comes... true, pearl harbor and nagasaki, whatever...... but my question was what motivated them to attack korea, china, and other asian countries? remember, japan started WWII, not germany..... they wanted to expend and so did germany.... obviously japan should be grateful for the punishment was light in my opinion, considering they started the war and occupying innocent chinese people, korean people, and so on ... obviously u cant say they had a good reason to attack china and korea.... helping them?? pssh, thats bull obviously... i mean they could have just occupied their whole country of japan by US, but they left it alone after a single two bombings... asking just for a surrender.... i mean if japan had won, china and korea wouldnt be CHINA and KOREA today... japan argues they standardized japan to be americanized with their culture and do what they do, but from what i know china and mostly korea was forced into their culture as well, having to learn japanese, think japanese, have communism into their minds, wear their clothes, and so on.... so its hypocritical for them to say whatever US did to them was injustice, cause whatever US did to japan was i say 10 less of what they did to other fellow asians...

japan is just ignorant and arrogant... to admit what THEY did rather than what the OTHER PEOPLE did... but dont get this the wrong way... i dont hate japanese people and civilians,,, i just blame the japanese government for feeding their own people without their bullshit that they shitted out of their own ass?

There are a few theories of why Japan attacked other countries.
The primary one is being a country of no natural resources, Japan invaded it's close neighbors for resources. (Much like how China is currently in Africa and helping governments oppress their people. Japan took it one step further, set up a puppet monarchy Manchuko)

Then why did Japan "need" to industrialize?
This stems back to around 1800s when Korea, China, and Japan all were forced with unfair treaties from western nations that were humiliating to say the least. These treaties stemmed from the Opium wars, which revealed china and by default the rest of the asian countries as weaker than expected. Japan was paranoid of western countries and wanted to create "buffer regions" so it would never have to be invaded. If you look at the world map, Korea is extremely close to Japan. This made it the most dangerous country to Japan. While this was a really arrogant idealogy, it is part of the reason.

Korea and Taiwan are 2 colonies that suffered different fates due to the Japanese invasion. Both benefited due to the standardization of infastructure by Japan. Both suffered due to forced asimiliation. However, Korea's policies were harsher and suffered a bigger backlash due to this, and the rule was much harsher. There are 2 periods in Japanese colonization policy for Korea. Up to around 1933ish and up to the end of the war. (I might have dates wrong.) The first was a period where Korean culture was allowed. Following a revolt, the policy changed to complete assimilation.

Japan's forgetfulness stems from differences in the end war compared to Germany. Germany has a very strict acceptance of what was done to Jewish because of how they lost. In Japan's case, Japan's crimes were swept under the carpet by the US due to the growing competition against the Russians. The emperor was not tried for war crimes, which would have likely started a revolt amongst Japanese. Japan never got invaded (and such an invasion would have probably caused a 2nd battle of Okinawa ish result (50-75% of the population dead)) Japan as a country on the whole never had to pay at the level of Germany and instead benefited by having siginificant amounts of money pumped into their economy because the US ironically thought of it as their eastern "buffer" against communism.

There's also the psychological aspect.
People almost never remember what they did to others, but what others did to them.

The US Government probably doesn't write all over the place what it's done, It reveals minimum information and probably tries to keep as much as possible hidden. While there are rules and laws in place to keep the government in check. Other countries don't have those same rules.


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That's totally false. From January '45 Japan started negotiating and the negotiating progressed very forwardly after that US bombed Tokyo in Mars '45 (and more than 100.000 people died). Japan was already using students as Kamikaze so they didn't have the sources to fight back anymore.
US just wanted to give a strong signal against Russia, that's the real reason about the bombs.
In fact Russia DID declare war against Japan AFTER the Hiroshima bomb (2 days later).

And the complain is not about the bombs themselves, it's about the fact that US experimented nuclear weapons for the first time without knowing their real effects and people are still dying for cancer over there.

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Thank you! Everyone knows that countries have made awful mistakes in (and out) of wars. Nobody here wants to deny the German genocide or the Japanese experiments. Heck, I'm Italian and we all know what Mussolini did over here with racial laws and becoming Hitler's alley and sending all those Jews and political enemies in concentration camps and stuff. But I happen to think Americans made one hell of a mistake dropping those bombs: they had merely tried out small amounts of them and had literally no idea of how much damage they could do... especially dropping them over such populated cities!

Of course, everyone makes mistakes and it's useless to keep digging them up and say "Americans are idiots because they dropped those bombs" or stuff like that... just as long as everyone remembers and acknowledges past mistakes so as not to have history repeat itself.

You do realize that the US had no part in the war until then right? Besides the US never new the full potential of the weapon they created, if they new the effects it wouldn't have been used. I do agree though that America aren't the greatest, but that what happens your the strongest and make a couple of bad decisions. They impact so much more.

Yeah, I'm Italian too. And I totally understand what you mean (probably because we grew up in the same country we have a similar perception of that event, if we'd have been born in US we could think differently).

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I'm Korean, and my mother tells me similar things. she said that korean's were prisoners, the japanese tried to take over our land, took away our rights, our language, and forced us to conform to their wants and needs. i'm not sure about human experiments, but my mother has told me that they do change their history in their textbooks.

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i am a history buff myself, and i would like to put in my two cents. from what i have gleaned from my professors and research. japan committed atrocities during WWII, idk if they admit them or not, and in regards to pearl harbor, it propelled us into the war, previously we were trying to maintain our neutrality in the war. Even if you feel that the bombs were unnecessary (i personally believe that the 2nd one wasnt) if you do a little research: is taken from the Potsdam Declaration (Proclamation Defining Terms For Japanese Surrender) (http://www.ioc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~worldjpn/documents/texts/docs/19 450726.D1E.html) and even though it does not mention the A-bomb directly since it was still classified they did put emphasis on the prompt and utter destruction of japan. this was given to the japanese government and they dismissed it and did not accept the terms so we (being US) retaliated in the way that our leaders thought necessary. was it right for us to drop them, i think the first one was needed but maybe not the 2nd, but that is a matter of opinion. also they did do previous testings of atomic bombs before we dropped them on japan, however, the ones that were used on japan were larger than the tests so they could not accurately determine the destructive power of the bombs. All in all, china and korea are not innocent of atrocities themselves its just that that part of the equation is being overlooked due to the apparent omission of japans own faults from their history. and i would also like to agree with the previous mentions of winners write history its been that way for ages and will continue until humans are able to become impervious to temptations such as greed, power, and money (never gonna happen).

I made an account to reply to this, because it's a piece of history I find fascinating;)

As an explanation as to part of the reasons Japan invaded the other nations, the idea was manifest destiny, in which a nation believes it is destined to rule over a region because of it's superiority (sp?). Take into consideration Japan's lack of resources, their higher level of industrialization compared to the other nations, and extreme national pride, it was not surprising that they should attack other nations. Also keep in mind that, like many regions, the various countries had been fighting off and on for centuries, and hate, unfortunately, is often passed down through generations.

Now, the US was not, contrary to popular believe, ENTIRELY innocent of starting the war. After the Japanese invasion of Manchuria, the US imposed economic sanctions against the Japanese. This, obviously, did not please the Japanese. Also, before the start of the war, many Americans and Japanese both thought that the US could not win a war against Japan, though there were several notable exceptions (such as the admiral who led the attack on Pearl Harbor.) As to the reason why they attacked the harbor, most of the American Pacific fleet was stationed there and in port, except for, of course, the aircraft carriers. Furthermore, it was an American who first opened the Japanese ports back when they were isolated.

The reasons for dropping the bombs were varied. My personal belief is that Truman realized Americans were tired of fighting, and remember, we took quite a beating in the European theater. The Japanese really didn't have in mind to actually surrender, but instead would have rebuilt and started it all over again. Furthermore, think of Japans topography...all the mountains, islands, and such would have been a nightmare for the occupying troops, providing easy cover for insurgents (kinda like the trouble we are having with Iraq and Afghanistan.) Keep in mind, back then, we did not have all the fancy technology that makes it easier in this day and age. Lastly, keep in mind that war is, has been, and always will be about crushing the other side's morale. Whats the best way to show there is no hope of victory? Show you can destroy every single major population center in the country.

As for the targets, there was significant military infrastructure in the first target, that I know of, and in the second target I believe there was as well. However, they were also chosen because of population...the Americans WANTED to kill a lot of people, again, going into the whole hope thing.

And re-writing history is common...and chances are, the Holocaust will be completely forgotten in another hundred years.