So did Germany. All of the superpowers have had an immense amount of nationalism at least once in history.

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you realize that that is pretty BS. not to say that the Japanese are cowards but they are like many other people, some of them have a tendency to be more zealous of his traditions while others wouldn't bother. Now fighting to the death would be the only option for soldiers cause if you retreat, obviously you dishonor your country. Some people have more respect for their country than others you know.

The usage of the Atomic bombs were more a show of force than a necessary means to an end. Americans at that time probably thought it would be better to completely dissipate any kind of hope left in the Japanese military and people.

We should never forget atrocities done but we should not be going around bitching about it. We should instead work toward a future where it would not happen again(probably will happen but we can try).

History is written by the winners....or in a better general sense: the people in power. Honestly no matter what happens and no matter what kind of ideology drives a nation or what they follow in terms of religion or political parties; it is the poor people who gets the short end of the stick. And there will ALWAYS be poor people.

Yea, but Germany wasn't as bad as Imperial Japan. Germany mainly focused on just one race of people (the Jews), while Japan considered itself destined to rule the world, and will not accept defeat so easily. Japan pretty much looked down on every other race in the world, hence why they didn't treat other races as humans.

I agree with RyuNoKami....
and what are you talking about? Germany was just as bad as Japan. Hello! the Aryan race? The Germans obliterated anybody who wasn't able-bodies, blond, and blue-eyed. are you saying that the Germans were better than the Japanese?

even Americans look down on other races <.<

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Yes, but Japan considered itself right to persecute anyone as long as they aren't Japanese. In Imperial Japan's eyes, we're all just animals anyway.

Why do you keep insisting that japan was so terrible? If it weren't for Japan this site wouldn't even exist.

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And if it weren't for the US the current Japan wouldn't exist either. Instead it would be the same Japan from WW2.

Some of my grandparent's relatives were killed during WW2, so I've heard all sorts of terrible tales. I guess I might be brainwashed?

Me too. The Philippines suffered because of the Japanese (I was born...and live in America btw). All my relatives were affected, and I've heard really gruesome stories...I just move on. It's history, we can't change it.

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Guess so, but I still think they shouldn't omit history that the rest of the world already knows. You can't just commit atrocities and not feel sorry for it.

wow why are you guys so focused on japan. I mean everyone has heard of the biggest rewrite, the bible. i mean look at how many times it was changed throughout history in someway so that leaders could manipulate people. and heck reporters do stuff like this all the time by writing about something that was said by somebody to mean something different. well my point is everybody does this somehow or another whether it be a lie to your family and friends or the country

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Ooo history! The storybook of life. X3

In response to the first post: you betcha! There's are several wiki articles that explains this and China and Korea have used it as ammo in their anti-Japan sentiments throughout the years. They've (textbook companies) written texts that even their own historians deem as incorrect (Japan tries to get these fixed when they are too out of hand). : /

That being said, who is to say that other nations have not done similar acts of injustice or(/to cover up) horrendous evil?

The Opium Wars were horrible: Britain forces Indo-China to be come druggies and when Qing dynasty China revolts Britain flexes her naval powers and forces China to allow the inflow of opium. I don't think Hong Kong is too big of an issue (as it was during the wars) now that she has become self-sustaining thanks to the wars (irony?).

And heck, "World War I" as we call it was most profitable for America! I believe only a dispute in their sea trade of salt peter (or gunpowder or whatever) caused her to jump into the war years after it had begun (treaty on Germany was cruel too ). Though of course, the war ends a bit after she joins. U.S. was also a major player in the next war and their winning of the nuclear race probably led to another victory for the Allies (though dropping it on Japan was a low blow : /).

I also recall, in WWII, Canada rejected a boat containing hundreds upon thousands of Jewish refugees escaping from Nazi Germany. Sending its immigrants (Chinese mainly I think) to plant dynamite for railroad expansion was not cool either.

China may have a colourful history (certainly the Cultural Revolution was no fun for anyone) though between her secretism and book burning we'll never get an entire recount of the past. : / I can say though that Sinocentrism (the belief that China is the mightiest and all others are "barbarians" isn't cool. Karma kicked us back in the ass on that one though. X3

There's a whole slew of other examples people can pull, but the bottom line? It's like the married life or the stubborn friendship where nobody wants to admit their wrongs and the passage of time eventually washes away the hurt. Is it right? No, but this is important (though sometimes saddening) so that we can give next generations a chance to prove to us their integrity or lack thereof. Freedom of media has, to an extent, helped with the censoring of nation crimes.

In the world we have created today, we see a bubble of happiness where outer issues such as famine or poverty is usually thrown into the apathy box and historical wrongs are just a waste of time. The media controls our lives more than anything and money has become the axle to which the world spins (stock market drop of 777 X3). Do we need to wake up? Maybe. But who's to say the grass is greener on the other side?


Some afternotes: For those who bothered themselves to read my history splurge, I am unable to solidly source all of them. My apologies.

And as for the bible guy ^^^, you may be treading in dangerous waters... X3

I completely agree with you, Veltwolfsleer. To me it seems this discussion has become one in which either the US or Japan has to be the bad guys. It feels like people have forgotten that there's more than those two countries in the world.

Btw, if we're talking about atrocities committed by this or that country, why not simply stir up the pot a bit more? Forget about racial and national issues and instead think about what Christians all over the world has done towards other religious cultures. Crusades, witch-burning, martyrism and the list goes on and on ad infinitum. As the Veltwolfsleer said: The Bible is an excellent example of rewriting history to suit the victors and make everybody else seem like the worst of the worst. However, let's not get into the religious discussion as well since that's a minefield in itself.

There's just so many atrocities committed throughout history, and at least just as many cover-ups, rewrites and omissions in the history books that the people of today most often read way too naively. Let's not get hung up on the whole "Pearl Harbor-Atomic Bomb"-discussion. I doubt anyone of us can say with any certainty who was at fault and who wasn't in that so it's pointless to argue about it. Opinions are free but when it turns into a "They're bad" "No they're not" "Yes they are" and so on the discussion hits a dead end.

There's things I like and dislike about both the US and Japan, as well as most other countries. There simply doesn't exist a country that's always a righteous and self-distanced servant of undoubted truth.

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we couldnt just march into japan and start mowing down soldiers >.< if we hadnt bombed them we would have lost more thousands of soldiers and they would just get inot a big argument with us witch will turn into a new war.....

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^^^ Radiation post-bombing affected a huge amount of civilian lives in Japan. Bombing was definitely underhanded and completely unnecessary (though some meanies would call it karma).

@Catriona and Takisho: I completely agree with your opinions ^^
I think we're just pointing fingers at who's good or bad ><

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