I try my best at it.

Chivalry is reserved only for non-bitches, i think :3

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As do I.

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As should all men.

*ding dong*

Your Chivalry-thingy is actually NOT acknowledging sexual parity between men and women.
At best its a delusion of your manliness, i think. :3

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There is never going to be such a thing.

Yeah, chivalry was basically founded on the concept that women couldn't take care of themselves; (they were second-rate citizens after all, way back then.) I mean, do you seriously need help getting out of a car?

Though customs and concepts get changed all the time, like in this case chivalry has been adapted to something charming, romantic and the like.

That being said, I don't object or support chivalry. Do what you like. Though I'd rather there'd be some kind of 'mutual chivalry' or something? I think you shouldn't do those 'charities' at all just because they're a specific gender, you should do it because you care about the person, the individual.

... I can just feel that I'm going to regret this post.

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I completely agree with you, your days are numbered.
You are, however, right in what you wrote.

It's a question of manners.


And technically, Chivalry itself comes from the the Knightly virtues of Feudal Europe, and is somewhat analogous to the concept of Bushido. It had nothing to do with treating women as inferior, but rather had everything to do with honor.

It's not a question of treating women as inferior, it's a question of honoring other people, especially women. The term Gentleman comes from the old usage of the word gentle, or gentile, used to denote one's noble blood. As a gentleman, it's their responsibility to bring honor to their family, and not to dishonor their family. Treating other people, especially women, with courtesy was part of this, just as dueling and serving in the military.


As far as the modern adaptation, consider this. When man and a woman go out, what is the woman typically wearing? A dress or skirt, right? And usually with some sort of heeled shoe? Would it not make sense for a man to help preserve the honor of the woman by making sure her appearance doesn't become disheveled or her skirt/dress doesn't ride up and show her undergarments? That's why men would help women get out of a car.

Manners come from practicality, too.



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Well said.
Chivalry was the prefered qualities of a knight, such as valor, dexterity in arms, courtesy, and generosity. It has nothing to do with inferiority.

eh yes, i see lots of steel vested people around...cmon its 2008. Chivalry is now intended commonly as used towards a woman. Or am i wrong. So, even going out of a car, do you still want to think that a woman isnt able to take care of her own dress? (just to use the above example). So it IS the subtle feeling that a woman NEEDS a man that chivalrously would help her: in short the feeling of the typical "helpless woman". (hey, man here speaking, so no bias :3)

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I disagree, as a woman, I think its nice when guys are extra polite to girls. I dont think that opening car doors (and other things) for girls makes it seem like we are weak and cant do it on our own, maybe other girls feel that way, but to me it feels like they are just being considerate, which is sweet.

on that note, as a girl, I really dont want to be hit by a guy.

Fine. If you don't want to be a Gentleman, you don't have to be. It only serves to portray you as an uncivilized rube.

It's called manners. It has nothing to do with a woman's incapability to do things, but everything to do with an effort to make one's companion feel welcome, wanted and comfortable.

Same reason why when you have friends over the house, and you offer them drinks, you get up and get it for them.

It's just manners.

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no, its called hospitality, very different from the chivalry discussion here (wrong example). Anyway, let it be as you want to think: we were talking about non-hitting a girl as a chivalrous thing, let the topic continue onwards again :3

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