I can't believe this is such a big deal to so many people. There are worse things in parenting: like raising children to become brainwashed by religious malevolence, and teaching children to hate people due to their differences. Not to mention a plethora of other parenting disasters, such as abuse and neglect. I was raised as a girl 100% and have always felt pretty much genderless anyway.
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I can't believe this is such a big deal to so many people. There are worse things in parenting: like raising children to become brainwashed by religious malevolence, and teaching children to hate people due to their differences. Not to mention a plethora of other parenting disasters, such as abuse and neglect. I was raised as a girl 100% and have always felt pretty much genderless anyway.
Comparing situations is pointless and irrelevant. Just because it could be "worse" doesn't change the fact that this is a bad situation that could potentially hurt the childs future emotional stability. That's like having one parent die and someone saying "Oh at least both your parents didn't die." even if the other one was never in danger. It isn't helpful and is completely unrelated and hurtful.
The family is forcing them (inadvertently) to be ashamed of their biological sex by refusing to acknowledge it. They are also keeping the kid away from society and societal norms. They are hiding the child rather then teaching and guiding them through society. The kid could become socially retarted and unable to interact with normal people in society. When you're an adult you need to know how to live in society and work in a job with people, if you can't do it you are at a huge disadvantage bordering on useless.
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i'm not actually too concerned about this whole thing. The parents seem like they're raising the child pretty well , and are giving them all the oppurtunites a child should have so what's the problem?
I recognize that when s/he starts to be potty trained and other things then that will pose a problem ,however the parents chose to embark on this path and therefore accepted all consequences.
Also to the majority of the people kicking up a fuss about the children's rights,Storm is not complaing and neither are any of their other children.
P.S. Storm is a pretty decent name when you consider what other kids have had to live with -Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii- anyone remember that one?
I recognize that when s/he starts to be potty trained and other things then that will pose a problem ,however the parents chose to embark on this path and therefore accepted all consequences.
Also to the majority of the people kicking up a fuss about the children's rights,Storm is not complaing and neither are any of their other children.
P.S. Storm is a pretty decent name when you consider what other kids have had to live with -Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii- anyone remember that one?
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It's good to know that there are at least some people who are not seeing things in black and white. What's wrong with comparing situations (especially when you can relate to some of these compared situations)? Who are you to decide what's 'irrelevant' or 'pointless'? Why should everyone see things from only your point of view? What makes your point of view superior to mine or other people's?
Quite frankly, I'm sick of the blah-blah-blah-ing from conservative traditionalists who can't see any good in other ways of upbringing...
"The family is forcing them (inadvertently) to be ashamed of their biological sex by refusing to acknowledge it. They are also keeping the kid away from society and societal norms. They are hiding the child rather then teaching and guiding them through society. The kid could become socially retarted and unable to interact with normal people in society. When you're an adult you need to know how to live in society and work in a job with people, if you can't do it you are at a huge disadvantage bordering on useless. (alicerose)"
How are they forcing the child to be ashamed of his/her biological sex when the parents are not even ACKNOWLEDGING the child's gender in the first place? And I'm sure they're not going to keep the child in an enclosed box, or 'hide' them from society. Even if they did that, the child would usually find their own way when they grow up--> I'll compare again: the children in my family have been kept away from society until 18 and we still managed to successfully integrate with society very quickly--> we have all those wonderful things you mentioned that the child would miss out on- and our parents did NOT brainwash us about gender- we played with 'girl's' and 'boys' toys equally.
It's not your place to decide what's good or not for the child- it's up to the parent. If I did the same thing and objected about the binary lifestyle upon which you have been brought up, would you just sit there and agree?
Quite frankly, I'm sick of the blah-blah-blah-ing from conservative traditionalists who can't see any good in other ways of upbringing...
"The family is forcing them (inadvertently) to be ashamed of their biological sex by refusing to acknowledge it. They are also keeping the kid away from society and societal norms. They are hiding the child rather then teaching and guiding them through society. The kid could become socially retarted and unable to interact with normal people in society. When you're an adult you need to know how to live in society and work in a job with people, if you can't do it you are at a huge disadvantage bordering on useless. (alicerose)"
How are they forcing the child to be ashamed of his/her biological sex when the parents are not even ACKNOWLEDGING the child's gender in the first place? And I'm sure they're not going to keep the child in an enclosed box, or 'hide' them from society. Even if they did that, the child would usually find their own way when they grow up--> I'll compare again: the children in my family have been kept away from society until 18 and we still managed to successfully integrate with society very quickly--> we have all those wonderful things you mentioned that the child would miss out on- and our parents did NOT brainwash us about gender- we played with 'girl's' and 'boys' toys equally.
It's not your place to decide what's good or not for the child- it's up to the parent. If I did the same thing and objected about the binary lifestyle upon which you have been brought up, would you just sit there and agree?
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It's good to know that there are at least some people who are not seeing things in black and white. What's wrong with comparing situations (especially when you can relate to some of these compared situations)? Who are you to decide what's 'irrelevant' or 'pointless'? Why should everyone see things from only your point of view? What makes your point of view superior to mine or other people's?
Quite frankly, I'm sick of the blah-blah-blah-ing from conservative traditionalists who can't see any good in other ways of upbringing...
"The family is forcing them (inadvertently) to be ashamed of their biological sex by refusing to acknowledge it. They are also keeping the kid away from society and societal norms. They are hiding the child rather then teaching and guiding them through society. The kid could become socially retarted and unable to interact with normal people in society. When you're an adult you need to know how to live in society and work in a job with people, if you can't do it you are at a huge disadvantage bordering on useless. (alicerose)"
How are they forcing the child to be ashamed of his/her biological sex when the parents are not even ACKNOWLEDGING the child's gender in the first place? And I'm sure they're not going to keep the child in an enclosed box, or 'hide' them from society. Even if they did that, the child would usually find their own way when they grow up--> I'll compare again: the children in my family have been kept away from society until 18 and we still managed to successfully integrate with society very quickly--> we have all those wonderful things you mentioned that the child would miss out on- and our parents did NOT brainwash us about gender- we played with 'girl's' and 'boys' toys equally.
It's not your place to decide what's good or not for the child- it's up to the parent. If I did the same thing and objected about the binary lifestyle upon which you have been brought up, would you just sit there and agree?
Quite frankly, I'm sick of the blah-blah-blah-ing from conservative traditionalists who can't see any good in other ways of upbringing...
"The family is forcing them (inadvertently) to be ashamed of their biological sex by refusing to acknowledge it. They are also keeping the kid away from society and societal norms. They are hiding the child rather then teaching and guiding them through society. The kid could become socially retarted and unable to interact with normal people in society. When you're an adult you need to know how to live in society and work in a job with people, if you can't do it you are at a huge disadvantage bordering on useless. (alicerose)"
How are they forcing the child to be ashamed of his/her biological sex when the parents are not even ACKNOWLEDGING the child's gender in the first place? And I'm sure they're not going to keep the child in an enclosed box, or 'hide' them from society. Even if they did that, the child would usually find their own way when they grow up--> I'll compare again: the children in my family have been kept away from society until 18 and we still managed to successfully integrate with society very quickly--> we have all those wonderful things you mentioned that the child would miss out on- and our parents did NOT brainwash us about gender- we played with 'girl's' and 'boys' toys equally.
It's not your place to decide what's good or not for the child- it's up to the parent. If I did the same thing and objected about the binary lifestyle upon which you have been brought up, would you just sit there and agree?
Comparing situations when people are involved insinuates one is better or worse then the other. As you have said things are not black and white. For instance even if some rich girl is complaining about not getting the car she wanted for her sweet 16, she probably still feels just as bad as the kid that got no presents for their birthday. She doesn't know any better and it's the worst she's ever felt, her feelings are just as real as the other kids. Comparing isn't helpful. It demeans a persons feelings. So why waste words on making people feel bad? I'm not saying my POV is better, I'm just pointing out that your words aren't helpful at all and can make people feel bad.
By not ACKNOWLEDGING sex (I'm not talking about gender at all, as not acknowledging gender is probably helpful) it usually means shame. When you deny somethings existence it's usually because you aren't proud of it. Why hide?
Of course the kid would figure it out eventually, but obviously they will have to completely change their foundations and work ten times harder. Why put the kid in a handicap from day one though?
And our parents have been shoving gender down our throats from the day we are born and they repainted our room blue or pink. They naturally bought dolls for girls and cars for boys. Geez, as a girl I hated getting stupid crafts for my birthday when I was younger. Either way I don't think being genderless is that big of a deal anyways. I'm worried about the ignorance of the babies sex.
Also, the government plays a strong role in how your child is raised. If you keep your child in a closet as a lifestyle choice I'm pretty sure the government wouldn't approve.
If anyone is wondering why I'm still replying on this thread I have nothing better to do. Judge away.
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While I do think that one should not raise children with gender specific elements (meaning don't give a boy cars, let him decide if he wants dolls or cars) I do think it is wrong to let him choose his gender. It has some physiological problems, while sex-change operations are possible, they are often accompanied with illnesses and the boy (that changed to a girl or the girl that changed to a boy) wouldn't be able to have children after changing his/her gender.
The sicknesses besides infections are due to rejection of hormones that need to be given, and side effects of other medications needed.
And you can't change genes. As long as you are born with one X and one Y you are a boy. Due to our current "free democratic" system, we can't condemn a boy that lives like a girl, so they are free to do what they want...
The sicknesses besides infections are due to rejection of hormones that need to be given, and side effects of other medications needed.
And you can't change genes. As long as you are born with one X and one Y you are a boy. Due to our current "free democratic" system, we can't condemn a boy that lives like a girl, so they are free to do what they want...
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This fiction book relates to this topic well: Commitment Hour by James Alan Gardner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commitment_Hour
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commitment_Hour
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Oh ok, I didn't even realize it if I did. o__o
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http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Hes-pretty-in-pink-to-ma ke-you-think-20012012.htm
Just wanted to update this post with new information. so it turns out that the child is male, and the mother is making him wear dresses because it's cheaper.
Just wanted to update this post with new information. so it turns out that the child is male, and the mother is making him wear dresses because it's cheaper.
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Just wanted to update this post with new information. so it turns out that the child is male, and the mother is making him wear dresses because it's cheaper.
Just wanted to update this post with new information. so it turns out that the child is male, and the mother is making him wear dresses because it's cheaper.
lol why does genderless mean feminine. thats sexist
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what the fuck is this ? this reminds me of LLoyd in space episode long time ago lmfao
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The only thing I really had a problem with was the no-school thing. What do the parents expect the kids to do when they grow up without any job qualifications?
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