Ive heard of Mary Sues in writing, but what about in manga?
Is there such a thing?
If so, which mangas are good examples for having Mary Sues?
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medaka box - thats the only one i can think of. but its a great manga
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The only ones I can think of are Medaka Kurokami and Haruhi Suzumiya.
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Honestly I find it harder to find female manga characters that aren't Mary Sue's than to find ones that are. If you're looking for specific examples check out Kayono's work. Any female lead that Kayono has drawn pretty much falls into the Mary Sue category. Her male leads are pretty Gary Stuish as well.
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I'm not looking for mangas that have Mary Sues - I don't want to read them (why would anyone?).I just wanted to discuss the Mary Sue character relating to manga. =/
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I don't apply the term 'mary sue' to non-fanfic work. In fanfiction, it originally had a clear meaning: it was a term for those characters that fic authors have clearly modeled off of themselves but who are too perfect to be likable--the sort of characters who save the canon characters, marry the author's favorite, and solve every canon problem with a flash of their violet eyes.
Over time, however, it has come to refer to any female character in any medium who the speaker dislikes. Some of these are obvious author self-inserts, but talented authors are often doing this intentionally for artistic or humorous purpose, unlike clueless badfic authors.
Others are exceedingly competent or special, with amazing talents or a tragic family curse or unusual magical powers or a great destiny. If this type of character is male, we call him "the hero"; if she's female, we call her "mary sue EW BARF!"
In still other cases, the characters really are all about wish fulfillment, but only because that's a fundamental part of whatever genre they're in. Look at romance novels: the entire point of romance novels is for a woman the reader can identify with to get together with a man the reader wishes she could have. Calling these characters "mary sues" implies that their creators don't know what they're doing and that the entire concept of a wish fulfillment genre is somehow wrong. (Boring or distasteful to many people, I'll grant you, but that's not the same.)
Overall, yes, I've seen a lot of manga heroines who annoy me and who are unrealistic. I wouldn't call them mary sues.
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Over time, however, it has come to refer to any female character in any medium who the speaker dislikes. Some of these are obvious author self-inserts, but talented authors are often doing this intentionally for artistic or humorous purpose, unlike clueless badfic authors.
Others are exceedingly competent or special, with amazing talents or a tragic family curse or unusual magical powers or a great destiny. If this type of character is male, we call him "the hero"; if she's female, we call her "mary sue EW BARF!"
In still other cases, the characters really are all about wish fulfillment, but only because that's a fundamental part of whatever genre they're in. Look at romance novels: the entire point of romance novels is for a woman the reader can identify with to get together with a man the reader wishes she could have. Calling these characters "mary sues" implies that their creators don't know what they're doing and that the entire concept of a wish fulfillment genre is somehow wrong. (Boring or distasteful to many people, I'll grant you, but that's not the same.)
Overall, yes, I've seen a lot of manga heroines who annoy me and who are unrealistic. I wouldn't call them mary sues.
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I might get killed for this but Yuki from Vampire Knight seems mary sue-ish. So does Tohru from Fruit Basket.
From what I've read anyway.
From what I've read anyway.
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I'm not looking for mangas that have Mary Sues - I don't want to read them (why would anyone?).I just wanted to discuss the Mary Sue character relating to manga. =/
But you were asking for examples of them, thus looking for them. And the people who frequent the Looking For section are adept at finding manga based on specific parameters. It's a good match. Unless you'd like to make this into an actual discussion instead of just a request for examples?
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I might get killed for this but Yuki from Vampire Knight seems mary sue-ish.
Far from it, she seems to turn useless whenever a battle occurs
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I don't apply the term 'mary sue' to non-fanfic work. In fanfiction, it originally had a clear meaning: it was a term for those characters that fic authors have clearly modeled off of themselves but who are too perfect to be likable--the sort of characters who save the canon characters, marry the author's favorite, and solve every canon problem with a flash of their violet eyes.
Over time, however, it has come to refer to any female character in any medium who the speaker dislikes. Some of these are obvious author self-inserts, but talented authors are often doing this intentionally for artistic or humorous purpose, unlike clueless badfic authors.
Others are exceedingly competent or special, with amazing talents or a tragic family curse or unusual magical powers or a great destiny. If this type of character is male, we call him "the hero"; if she's female, we call her "mary sue EW BARF!"
In still other cases, the characters really are all about wish fulfillment, but only because that's a fundamental part of whatever genre they're in. Look at romance novels: the entire point of romance novels is for a woman the reader can identify with to get together with a man the reader wishes she could have. Calling these characters "mary sues" implies that their creators don't know what they're doing and that the entire concept of a wish fulfillment genre is somehow wrong. (Boring or distasteful to many people, I'll grant you, but that's not the same.)
Overall, yes, I've seen a lot of manga heroines who annoy me and who are unrealistic. I wouldn't call them mary sues.
Over time, however, it has come to refer to any female character in any medium who the speaker dislikes. Some of these are obvious author self-inserts, but talented authors are often doing this intentionally for artistic or humorous purpose, unlike clueless badfic authors.
Others are exceedingly competent or special, with amazing talents or a tragic family curse or unusual magical powers or a great destiny. If this type of character is male, we call him "the hero"; if she's female, we call her "mary sue EW BARF!"
In still other cases, the characters really are all about wish fulfillment, but only because that's a fundamental part of whatever genre they're in. Look at romance novels: the entire point of romance novels is for a woman the reader can identify with to get together with a man the reader wishes she could have. Calling these characters "mary sues" implies that their creators don't know what they're doing and that the entire concept of a wish fulfillment genre is somehow wrong. (Boring or distasteful to many people, I'll grant you, but that's not the same.)
Overall, yes, I've seen a lot of manga heroines who annoy me and who are unrealistic. I wouldn't call them mary sues.
Well, even though you kinda contradicted yourself here and there, I agree on what you were trying to say.
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well...
this is what i think...
the protagonists always happens to be a mary sue so that people will say that the protagonist is the best <or least> among the other characters...
so as to put a highlight on them...
as to the "looking for a mary sue-ish character", almost all of the heroines in shoujo are mary sues...<e.g. the golden-hearted cliche, i- forgive- you- cause- you- aint- half- bad cliche...>and even though most of them are stupid...everything goes theyre way and they re still miraculously alive after an epic battle against an imba super badass villain <coughyuuwatasecough>
well that sums it up...
i dont want to go bashing the heads of the characters that i used to love and are still somehow my rolemodels...because they are good...
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this is what i think...
the protagonists always happens to be a mary sue so that people will say that the protagonist is the best <or least> among the other characters...
so as to put a highlight on them...
as to the "looking for a mary sue-ish character", almost all of the heroines in shoujo are mary sues...<e.g. the golden-hearted cliche, i- forgive- you- cause- you- aint- half- bad cliche...>and even though most of them are stupid...everything goes theyre way and they re still miraculously alive after an epic battle against an imba super badass villain <coughyuuwatasecough>
well that sums it up...
i dont want to go bashing the heads of the characters that i used to love and are still somehow my rolemodels...because they are good...
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