Then how about making a new topic or discussing it in other thread? I completly agree with scanlator's wishes and yes, I don't agree with a single point of yours in this thread. We all know about scanlations, but this thread is NOT about scanlation ethics. Please discuss this stuffs in other threads.

It's not an issue of the online readers; it's an issue of PROFIT. Or did you not actually read what was going on with Sura?

A scanlator's "purpose," as you put it, is not to gain money for their efforts. It is generally to introduce new manga into the community and generally HOPE it is picked up by a legitimate publishing house. It's not hypocritical for the most part (although there are one of two groups who have ignored the C&Ds). Most groups drop projects as soon as they're licensed because that's what they are aiming for. Some. Not all groups.

If you don't understand that, if you don't like it, STOP READING THEIR WORK. Damn, talk about hypocritical. If you can't get Sura's feelings, then don't read. Easy peasy.

Wow. You're an ass. Go fall in a gutter and die.

Wow you've got a point there

Hahaha, well that's well reasoned but I still disagree.

It's a sweeping generalisation to say all mangakas are angered since there are cases where permission has been sought (1/2 Prince novel translations for example), and equally manga which groups have dropped after a mangaka mailed the group to ask them to desist, I recall seeing one recently but at present I can't remember it but an example of an aggregator site would be onemanga. The impression I get is reflected here (shamelessly nicking off wikipedia lol); that at the end of the day a lot of the manga are hindered by their being in japanese and hence the audience being limited to Japan. Would you disagree that many people after reading a manga they enjoyed, are more likely to to buy it, especially if the scans/future chapters are not there compared to taking a leap of faith (I for one would never have gotten into manga had it not been for scanlations)? There are examples of manga which have become licensed following how well it was received after all.

The real issue, as I emphasised before is that the aggregators are making massive profit (without spending in the manga's works) and keeping it to themselves; they're tipping the balance since the users would then opt to read the new chapters for free over buying the work once it's out. Scanlators may not have rights over the work but for example, asking for a licensed work to be removed after the group itself has dropped it and deleted the scans surely in the best interests of the mangaka? You're right, there are the two differences you stated before, but with sites like Batoto, people complain less about it because they will (or at least should do) avoid licensed manga/take them down after licensing. The definite point at which you've trod into illegal territory is when you mess with licensed manga.

Naturally I'm not trying to paint a pink rosy world either; there are mangaka who are angry but I'm pretty sure you'll find the majority of them are more annoyed because aggregators/scanlators are scanning licensed series which would be giving mangaka profit rather than at the scanlation group. Many groups (one hopes yours included) are making little to negative profit both in money and time in buying and taking the time to translate for free; at least the mangaka has more to gain in that scenario. What exactly is the hobby in scanlating?
You want to practice japanese? Pick something less controversial to translate.
You want to read manga? Then read it, why translate it, not like the world having an english copy makes a difference to you? In fact leaving it in japanese would probably incite more leechers to learn japanese if they truly cared.
Want to procrastinate? Dude, there are methods that take less time than cleaning, scanning, translating, typsetting, proofreading, QCing and are less expensive than buying the manga to rip it apart or hosting a site.
It's most certainly not righteous but it's not wrong and bad and should be killed with fire either and I don't see how a scanlation group is being selfish in scanlating a manga (especially unlicensed?) provided they stick to unlicensed ones.

As for deleting chapters, it may just be a gesture but once again it depends on the situation. Back when mangafox and other aggregators had a massive scare and deleted a lot of the licensed manga, it's had the effect of some (true, only to a small number of) manga which were previously scanlated by groups that are now closed being lost, with new translations having to be made of the manga. As for not being any better, I bring up the point of unlicensed vs licensed manga; I agree, licensed mangas being deleted (particularly popular ones) make no difference because everyone will have a copy but many unlicensed mangas were slowly gaining popularity; without sites like mangafox holding a backup copy I don't see why it would thrive? Imagine if groups actually had control over whether their scans stay on or not; then deletion would have a bigger effect and equally the need to sign up or join would probably be less emphasised.

Thus it's still not a 2D problem. It's a sweeping generalisation to say all scanlations are evil and mangakas hate them (would you complain if your work got licensed for distribution in other countries?). I think a real distinction sits between licensed and unlicensed work and scanlation (as reflected by the earlier groups) was beneficial for the manga community. It's simply that recently it's spiralled out of control; a situation exacerbated by aggregators sites, such as mangafox who are profiting and also ignoring anything said at them. You're right in that people do have to face some facts; you could be doing something illegal, aggregators sites like mangafox don't care, and even if you killed them off more would reappear. But scanlators do have a right to whine depending on the circumstance (yes, whining because they uploaded your work and you wanted to keep it on your site is fishy but whining because someone is disrespecting licensing laws/making lots of money off something that is quite altruistic) is hardly wrong. If you don't like it, give up scanlating :/.

Applying this to sura, whilst as far as I'm aware her works aren't largely licensed, I'd suspect she wouldn't want sites like mangafox to get to her translations because once it has, she's lost control over it once it does become licensed.