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New Poll - Hentai
I must apologize since I actually forgot to change the poll due to all the family stuff that was going on during the Thanksgiving holidays. It's the first time that I haven't done a weekly poll in time (since we started doing this all the way back in the beginning of 2008). Well, here you go. This week's poll comes from a suggestion from our member psycho-shocker. What level of sexuality do you prefer in your manga? I shouldn't really have to explain this one...

Apparently people are disagreeing over the definition of hentai and whether yaoi/yuri should be choices. For the purposes of this poll, hentai means any material that is 18+ (I live in the US) in a sexual manner, whether that be heterosexual or homosexual. Borderline H is basically almost there, but not quite. Ecchi is limited to maybe a boob flash or something like that.

You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903

Previous Poll Results:
Question: Last gen console?
Choices:
Wii - votes: 2941 (23.1%)
PS3 - votes: 5996 (47%)
Xbox 360 - votes: 3814 (29.9%)
There were 12751 total votes.
The poll ended: December 3rd 2013

And PS3 wins this one! I actually bought a PS3 during Black Friday... I'm primarily a PC gamer, but I decided to get the PS3 since it was a good deal and I want to finally play some PS3 exclusives (like The Last of Us, Ni no Kuni, Uncharted, Beyond: Two Souls, Metal Gear Solid, some Final Fantasty, etc)
Posted by lambchopsil on December 3rd 8:30am Comments ( 52 )  [ View ]  [ Add ]
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» Great on December 3rd, 2013, 1:55am

Where's the "All of it" choices? (the contrary of "Nothing of the sort") cool

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» Hespia Klarerin on December 3rd, 2013, 2:17am

I feel like this poll grossly undermine all the female readers out there. How about "smut" and "yaoi" that many female readers relate to more? after all, our line of erotic mangas are hardly "hentai"

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» KaoriNite on December 3rd, 2013, 4:36am

Quote from Hespia Klarerin
I feel like this poll grossly undermine all the female readers out there. How about "smut" and "yaoi" that many female readers relate to more? after all, our line of erotic mangas are hardly "hentai"


There are female readers out there that do read hentai, like me, so I don't really agree with this statement. Although I do prefer yaoi to hentai.

Quote from chomio
It's really annoying when they just stop at the border. I've even started to hate the ecchi genre because of it. It just ruins a good plot and they won't go any further as they stop right before it gets interesting.
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I don't really like ecchi either. I find it the most annoying since it doesn't lead anywhere and it can just be a huge distraction. Something like Highschool of the Dead (I've only watched the anime, not the manga) was super annoying because I was trying to get into the action of the story, worrying about if a character is going to make it out alive, and then all of the sudden its just random panty shots and boobs jiggling. It just takes you away from the story with no real purpose.

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» follybaby on December 3rd, 2013, 3:24pm

Quote from Hespia Klarerin
I feel like this poll grossly undermine all the female readers out there. How about "smut" and "yaoi" that many female readers relate to more? after all, our line of erotic mangas are hardly "hentai"


I agree with the smut comment. Smut is different from Hentai, Borderline H, and Ecchi.

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» Cherelle Ashlee on December 3rd, 2013, 8:50pm

I choose H, but I love Borderline H aswell, most of the time it varies on what I feel like reading at that certain time. Some times I like a little plot with my H, other times I don't :/.

Quote from follybaby
I agree with the smut comment. Smut is different from Hentai, Borderline H, and Ecchi.


Also, I'm pretty sure most smut falls under borderline H either way you look at it.

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» quark1020 on December 3rd, 2013, 9:17pm

Ecchi - A lot of strip teasing, sexual situations, Barbie doll anatomy, implied sex if any.

Borderline H - Strait nudity, briefly shown sex scenes, focuses on plot before and after sex.

Hentai - 3 pages of plot, 15 page sex scenes, everything but genitalia shown (silly Japanese censorship!)

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» quark1020 on December 3rd, 2013, 9:00pm

I would assume this poll would apply for either. I mean, sex is sex. Do we really need to be specific on the type of sex in order to have an intelligent conversation about it and its use in manga?

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» silencecomes on December 3rd, 2013, 9:15pm

Quote from quark1020
I would assume this poll would apply for either. I mean, sex is sex. Do we really need to be specific on the type of sex in order to have an intelligent conversation about it and its use in manga?


Thank you.
This is what I needed to see.

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» toshirodragon on December 3rd, 2013, 2:21am

Ummm where are "yaoi" and "yuri" choices? Are you delibrately ignoring the women readers?

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» bnad on December 3rd, 2013, 2:40am

Quote from toshirodragon
Ummm where are "yaoi" and "yuri" choices? Are you delibrately ignoring the women readers?


No. Since in hentai, borderline H, and Ecchi there are already yaoi and yuri sub genre. Heck, even I know about this information, and I'm not even a fan of this kind of manga.

But somehow you don't see me throwing tantrum about this poll or any other poll that doesn't cater to my interest.

Probably because a simple known fact. That the world doesn't revolve around me.

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» chomio on December 3rd, 2013, 3:32am

Quote from bnad
No. Since in hentai, borderline H, and Ecchi there are already yaoi and yuri sub genre. Heck, even I know about this information, and I'm not even a fan of this kind of manga.

But somehow you don't see me throwing tantrum about this poll or any other poll that doesn't cater to my interest.

Pr ...


Their might be hentai with yaoi as sub genre, but yaoi and yuri is still a genre on it's own. Yaoi and Yuri still has sexual intercourse (yaoi is supposed to for female audience and yuri for male audience. However their is also yaoi directed to male audience. This is called Bara, strange enough the opposite demography doesn't exist.) Without sexual intercourse also exist, called shounen-ai and shoujo-ai respectively. Borderline yaoi and yuri also exists, but it's most of the time marked with both indicators like yaoi and shounen-ai or yuri and shoujo-ai. wink

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» Hespia Klarerin on December 3rd, 2013, 4:30am

Quote from bnad
No. Since in hentai, borderline H, and Ecchi there are already yaoi and yuri sub genre. Heck, even I know about this information, and I'm not even a fan of this kind of manga.

But somehow you don't see me throwing tantrum about this poll or any other poll that doesn't cater to my interest.

Pr ...

I have to seriously object to that
there are 11600 series in baka update with "yaoi" tag
and there are approx 200 series in baka updates with both "yaoi" and "hentai" tag
and NO series that is tagged yaoi and categorized as borderline H

obviously yaoi (and yuri) is more than a "sub genre"

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» ren.v on December 3rd, 2013, 9:53pm

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But somehow you don't see me throwing tantrum about this poll or any other poll that doesn't cater to my interest.

Your idea of a tantrum is strange. roll eyes A bit melodramatic...


And to be on topic- I don't really read those genres or yaoi/yuri that often so I'm still trying to decide smile wink grin

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» silencecomes on December 3rd, 2013, 2:43am

Hentai. Because if there is gonna be ecchi and borderline h you might as well skip it and go straight for the porn.

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» chomio on December 3rd, 2013, 3:42am

Quote from silencecomes
Hentai. Because if there is gonna be ecchi and borderline h you might as well skip it and go straight for the porn.


It's really annoying when they just stop at the border. I've even started to hate the ecchi genre because of it. It just ruins a good plot and they won't go any further as they stop right before it gets interesting.

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» achyif on December 4th, 2013, 5:38pm

Quote from silencecomes
Hentai. Because if there is gonna be ecchi and borderline h you might as well skip it and go straight for the porn.

totally agreed.
The only thing I feel like I end up with in ecchi are annoying girls. And guys who never get any.

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» K Sky on December 3rd, 2013, 3:14am

Where is the "All the Above" option? for Hentai, Borderline H, and Ecchi. If you're going to have "Nothing of the Sort" option, you should also at least have "All the Above" option. Especially for the people that isn't picky like others are.

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» Scyfon on December 3rd, 2013, 3:24am

Quote from K Sky
Where is the "All the Above" option? for Hentai, Borderline H, and Ecchi. If you're going to have "Nothing of the Sort" option, you should also at least have "All the Above" option. Especially for the people that isn't picky like others are.

What part of "prefer the most" don't you get? It isn't grammatically complex...is it?
It isn't about being picky, it's about being decisive.
It's actually more picky to get worked up over non-existent poll choices.
It's like walking into a poll booth and voting for all the candidates as your country's leader. WTF?

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» Great on December 3rd, 2013, 6:27pm

Quote from Scyfon
It isn't about being picky, it's about being decisive.
It's actually more picky to get worked up over non-existent poll choices.
It's like walking into a poll booth and voting for all the candidates as your country's leader. WTF?


Well, I still think there should be "All of it" option. We are not electing for country leader. And how about the "Nothing of the sort"? Are you saying we could go to a pool booth and NOT voting for all the candidates of our country's leader? That's just the same as not going to the booth at all. Meanie.
no

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» psycho-shocker on December 3rd, 2013, 8:45pm

Nothing of the sort means you prefer the series without any kind of sexuality content in it, just like Nukoduke!, Tonari no Seki-kun, Ajin, Superior Day, etc.

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» Great on December 3rd, 2013, 10:54pm

Quote from psycho-shocker
Nothing of the sort means you prefer the series without any kind of sexuality content in it, just like Nukoduke!, Tonari no Seki-kun, Ajin, Superior Day, etc.


Hmmm... The more I think about it, the more I want the "All of it" option. Its because I also like to read the series without any kind of sexuality content. (I know Im greedy for manga) biggrin
..... Does School Rumble applied as "without any sexuality content"?
But If I really have to choose between those 4 option....
Well, I already made one. bigrazz

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» forgottenone666 on December 3rd, 2013, 4:12am

I went with borderline h because while I do enjoy hentai I prefer reading something with an actual plot besides just a bunch of sex and a miniscule amount of plot. So borderline h usually gives me the perfect balance of plot and naughtiness. Ecchi I usually tend to stay away from as it is mostly a bunch of fanservice and ends up only being a tease.

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» silencecomes on December 3rd, 2013, 4:16am

Quote from forgottenone666
I went with borderline h because while I do enjoy hentai I prefer reading something with an actual plot besides just a bunch of sex and a miniscule amount of plot. So borderline h usually gives me the perfect balance of plot and naughtiness. Ecchi I usually tend to stay away from as it is mostly a b ...


There are actually quite a few enjoyable hentai stories.
Brandish and Pandra being two of my favorites.
Though Pandra is more on the porn than on the plot.
Brandish has got a surprising amount of plot for the all the porn.

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» RoxFlowz on December 3rd, 2013, 8:12am

Quote from forgottenone666
I went with borderline h because while I do enjoy hentai I prefer reading something with an actual plot besides just a bunch of sex and a miniscule amount of plot. So borderline h usually gives me the perfect balance of plot and naughtiness. Ecchi I usually tend to stay away from as it is mostly a bunch of fanservice and ends up only being a tease.


100% that.

Still went with "nothing of the sort" though, since I don't read it too often.

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» Lnc411 on December 3rd, 2013, 8:20am

Quote from forgottenone666
I went with borderline h because while I do enjoy hentai I prefer reading something with an actual plot besides just a bunch of sex and a miniscule amount of plot. So borderline h usually gives me the perfect balance of plot and naughtiness. Ecchi I usually tend to stay away from as it is mostly a b ...


Agreed. Surprisingly, quite a few borderline H series have really good romantic elements that actually concludes properly rather than leaving possibilities in the air and a bunch of "what ifs".

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» psycho-shocker on December 3rd, 2013, 5:53am

I am the one who suggest this poll. So I will give a proper reason why I don't included yaoi or yuri in the poll.

Baka-Updates Manga definition of

1) Ecchi: Possibly the line between hentai and non-hentai, ecchi usually refers to fanservice put in to attract a certain group of fans.
2) Hentai: Adult sexual content in an illustrated form where the FOCUS of the manga is placed on sexually graphic acts.
3) Yaoi: This work usually involves intimate relationships between men.
4) Yuri: This work usually involves intimate relationships between women.

With those definitions, I thought yaoi and yuri can be either hentai, borderline h, ecchi, or none of them depend on the series itself. It just like comedy series can be either a slice of life or adventure. As simple as that.

As for why I replace smut with borderline h, simply because the definitions of smut is more vague than borderline h. I'm sure people understand that borderline h is something between ecchi and hentai, as for smut? I'm still not sure myself.

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» tactics on December 3rd, 2013, 6:13am

...tough poll

laugh

I went for Borderline H in the end. Although I read hentai, it's rare to find a decent story that fits in with all the sex too, as obviously sex appears in every chapter of a hentai. I don't think I've read a hentai manga where there wasn't a sex scene in a chapter, which is understandable because the reason we're reading it is because that's what we want to see XD
I know there are some decent hentai manga out there, but I find most of the borderline manga I've read balance it quite well, and the sex scenes usually pop up in somewhat appropriate places.
Ecchi I read too, but yeah I agree with people saying it's just a tease.

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» Great on December 3rd, 2013, 6:22pm

Quote from tactics
...tough poll

laugh

I went for Borderline H in the end. Although I read hentai, it's rare to find a decent story that fits in with all the sex too, as obviously sex appears in every chapter of a hentai. I don't think I've read a hentai manga where there wasn't a sex scene in a chapter, which is ...


Evangelion Doujinshi Evangelion dj - Re-Take is almost fit that. It even have the all ages version but I dont know if it still could be considered hentai.

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» Accursed-kun on December 3rd, 2013, 6:48am

Of course Hentai... FTW!

But really... we all know that Borderline-Hentais usually have a lot more of "substance"... in terms of readability... so well... i ultimately chose Borderline-H.. at least for this pole biggrin bigrazz laugh

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» Transdude1996 on December 3rd, 2013, 7:44am

Nothing of the sort.

I'm not sure about other people, but personally, I don't really see the point of having nudity in something as nothing more than shock value. As far as hentai, I try to stay away from porn.

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» kitty1826x on December 3rd, 2013, 7:57am

Quote from Hespia Klarerin
I feel like this poll grossly undermine all the female readers out there. How about "smut" and "yaoi" that many female readers relate to more? after all, our line of erotic mangas are hardly "hentai
Well not all females are into yaoi, or yuri, and plenty like hentai -> Women who read hentai! (a thread in the 18+ section of the forums). Also I'm sure there are men out there who like yaoi/yuri and I disagree with chomio comment saying yaoi is meant to be for women, and yuri for males statement, but that's not the point.

Although I do agree with Hespia Klarerin (and others) I think smut should be added as an option.
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Smut: Deals with series that are considered profane or offensive, particularly with regards to sexual content
This is from the genres page, and seems relevant to the poll.

I also agree that yaoi, and yuri should be added as an option (but not because it's more for the female members).
This post tells me that in this site they are not sub genres of hentai. but a genre itself.

(As for my vote, I'll wait to see if changes are made, or the very least a comment from lambchopsil saying it's not going to be added.)

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» lambchopsil on December 3rd, 2013, 9:09am

Apparently people are disagreeing over the definition of hentai and whether yaoi/yuri should be choices. For the purposes of this poll, hentai means any material that is 18+ (I live in the US) in a sexual manner, whether that be heterosexual or homosexual. Borderline H is basically almost there, but not quite. Ecchi is limited to maybe a boob flash or something like that.

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» kitty1826x on December 3rd, 2013, 12:45pm

Quote from lambchopsil
Apparently people are disagreeing over the definition of hentai and whether yaoi/yuri should be choices. For the purposes of this poll, hentai means any material that is 18+ (I live in the US) in a sexual manner, whether that be heterosexual or homosexual. Borderline H is basically almost there, but not quite. Ecchi is limited to maybe a boob flash or something like that.


You never responded to to the possible smut option ...

I agree in the US (which I'm also from/in) sexual manner is for both heterosexuals and homosexuals, but in mangas hentai and yaoi/yuri are not separated. I never seen a yaoi hentai (unless it had both straight, and gay couples in it). I think since all polls on this site are suppose to be manga related the poll choices should be in regards to how the manga world considers heterosexuals and homosexuals separate.

- Now if you want to exclude yaoi/yuri due to it not being hentai and not related to hentai I could understand that.

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» Baalzebup on December 3rd, 2013, 1:14pm

Quote from Kitty18dnsz
You never responded to to the possible smut option ...


He didn't, but psycho-shocker mentioned why "smut" is not an option on his post (the last one on Page 1 if you have the default number of posts shown per page.)

As for the answer, these days it seems to be full on Hentai for me. That is what I read the most, if we just count it by "pages per week" basis. Discounting the occacional archieve binging of a whole series.

Why? I say, why not.

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» lambchopsil on December 3rd, 2013, 2:04pm

I agree with psycho-shocker in that you lump smut under the Borderline H choice

I will not be changing any of the poll options for this poll. Votes for yaoi/yuri fall under Hentai

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» TRMshadow on December 3rd, 2013, 10:19am

Good to see Real Hentai beating out that borderline/fake stuff. I've got some great emotionally fulfilling recommendations if anyone wants 'em.

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» Chayto on December 3rd, 2013, 11:30am

Went for Borderline H.
Though I have read some H-Manga and have read quite a few Ecchi ones, I found that the story in Borderline H is quite better. I mean, Prison School and Nana to Kaoru have both a very interesting story, the art is very good, and plot development is good as well.
However, Slut Girl, that H-Manga is the best H-Manga I've read not for the actual sex but the story is good.
Btw, I would like some users that voted for Nothing of the sort to post their Lists and actually show proof that there's no Ecchi in it. Find it quite hard to believe nowadays.

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» yuri999 on December 3rd, 2013, 12:00pm

I voted for Ecchi because it can produce some nice "lulz" when done well.

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» asdfffdsa on December 3rd, 2013, 3:04pm

*selects hentai*

... you know you're a lost cause when "real" / "live-action" porn just doesn't do anything for you anymore ...

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» dalek on December 3rd, 2013, 3:17pm

I really don't know how to classify the yaoi I have read, none of them have the "ecchi" or "hentai" tag/genre on it (not even "smut" in some cases). I guess that is why some people want to put yaoi/yuri as a option, but I understand the definitions of it etc etc.

I picked borderline H. Like everyone said, ecchi is just teasing and nothing else and hentai is way too extreme, porn without plot. Bordeline H is a great balance with plot and sex in a decent and sexy way (even though some bordeline H I have read involve peeing?? I don't really get what is so sexy about that).

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» nightazday on December 3rd, 2013, 3:20pm

Hentai

If you are going for the "cheesecake with good writing" might as well go all out. I'd love to see a really good manga series that has great characters, story, writing, art, etc. that doubles as hentai (or yuri or yaoi).

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» TKS on December 3rd, 2013, 3:49pm

Borderline H all the way. Nothing wrong with sex, but give me a story, please.

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» calmfu on December 3rd, 2013, 6:33pm

Quote from TKS
Borderline H all the way. Nothing wrong with sex, but give me a story, please.


Here here!

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» Trimutius on December 3rd, 2013, 6:07pm

I prefer Borderline H most of the time... Simple ecchi is just stupid. And hentai... well, there are some good hentai mangas, but most of the time it is just sex...
While in Borderline H most of the mangakas would think how to attract reader for more than 1 volume (and boobies are not enough for that biggrin )

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» quark1020 on December 3rd, 2013, 9:06pm

Borderline H

Ecchi gets silly after a few chapters and frustrating if it doesn't go anywhere in the end.
Hentai, on the other hands, focuses too much on the sex scenes and not enough in plot.

Borderline H is the best of both worlds: hentai scenes to draw my interest and, usually, good plot to keep me interested afterwards.

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» blakraven66 on December 3rd, 2013, 9:31pm

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Where's the Yaoi/Yuri option?

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I won't vote Hentai because there's no plot.

Wow, maybe I'm just interpreting this differently but to me the question isn't about the genre or type of story you prefer, but how explicit you want your stories to be.

A better example of the question would be something like: "Do you want Fairy Tail to stay Ecchi or include Sex?" laugh

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» makoz on December 3rd, 2013, 10:42pm

If talking about hentai, it's all out or nothing bigrazz

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» Raattis on December 4th, 2013, 2:34am

I like borderline h as it usually has better plot than hentai, but then again, it might be limiting it self, like Nana to Kaoru, and the reader knows this. Then there is Yubisaki Milk Tea which doesn't let those limitations hinder it. Others (like Aki-Sora) are just hentai with perspective doing the mosaics job.

Hentai with a seemingly good story might ruin itself by forcing explicit sex in every possible situation, which is rarely cosistent with the plot. A rare manga that's definitely hentai but isn't really concerned with sex is Roshutsu Shoujo Yuugi (+ Nikki & Kan), and it's one of my favourites. (It's currently difficult for me to read this as I'm trying to stop fapping dead but I wanna know how the story ends!)

Ecchi is ok when it's used sparingly and in a tasteful manner. Usually it's just used to ruin the athmosphere whenever possible.

Like (I hope) most people I read different kinds of manga (and web comics) from almost any genre. Manga is full of clichés and I would never restrict myself to one genre or category with even harsher limitations.

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» connerity on December 4th, 2013, 10:21am

I only read hentai because there are not enough borderline series out there.
TLR : Darkness ftw

There are also some hentai with very funny stories, but sadly they are like only 0.1%.

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» 801crazed on December 4th, 2013, 3:31pm

What about "smut"? What does that fall under?

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» Baalzebup on December 4th, 2013, 3:51pm

Quote from 801crazed
What about "smut"? What does that fall under?


This has been addressed a few times in the thread itself, but lets hear it once again from the one who suggested the poll in the first place:

Quote from psycho-shocker
As for why I replace smut with borderline h, simply because the definitions of smut is more vague than borderline h. I'm sure people understand that borderline h is something between ecchi and hentai, as for smut? I'm still not sure myself.


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» kujika on December 5th, 2013, 1:40pm

None of it since I prefer stuff along the lines of Kingdom, more realistic stuff I guess (not concerning genre but storytelling).

And if I do then josei/shoujo smut which I can't find in this poll embarrassed

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