Excuse me, but strictly speaking, there are scenes where Naruto crosses the "acceptable" button. Like where Naruto age 12 transforms in his busty blonde version and let's not forget the pervy sage.
This is above all a test on what is censorable in the art and comic world. Because they don't like this, it "offends" their sensibilities and they want it gone.
And you know what, the Post Office, had no legal right to search his mail. It's not REAL children, no one is harmed in the making, producing, or in the viewing of this material.
it was an illegal search. They have no grounds.
It is all about censorship.
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11:13 pm, Dec 12 2008
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11:28 pm, Dec 12 2008
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11:28 pm, Dec 12 2008
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I admit I only skimmed the later posts, but I didn't see anyone ask this. Why did the authorities investigate the manga to begin with? Isn't that his private mail? Shouldn't it have been in a non-descript cardboard box for shipping? I want to know what triggered the cops to check the guys mail to begin with. Almost sounds like this "authority" was already targetting the guy before and just used what he could to get him.
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11:41 pm, Dec 12 2008
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This happened back in October and I know it hit the comic industry fast and spread through the ranks and now it's finally reaching the manga level.
This case really pisses me off because it's the neo-cons with their "child porn" yelling that are trying to impose more restrictions on art and what is obscene. This is not the first case of the PROTECT Act, Adam Walsh Act, and Miller Test.
Do any of you recall the HUGE blow up over the Harry Potter fanart that happened on LiveJournal and spread through the ranks of the online world? This is that exact same situation only the Feds got involved because he ordered his stuff from Japan and it went through the mail which is federal territory.
If this was me, I would be suing the state and the Post Office, they invaded his personal property. The Post Office opened up his mail and then called the Feds and the Feds followed him home. They raided his place looking for ACTUAL child porn, because they were told he was actually buying CHILD PORN. They tore through his place, his computer, and confiscated everything and jailed on the charge of Child porn.
When they couldn't FIND ANY child porn they realized they screwed up. And they had to charge him with something so went with the case. The Judge throw out the charge of child porn, because, hey the guy didn't have any child porn.
But because the stuff offended this religious and conservative area... My god the man is reading GAY COMIC PORN!!! They went with obscenity.
If this was a fair trial, the guy would get off and be able to sue them for defamation of his character, illegal search, etc. But it's not, so he needs all the money he can get.
It's art and if he gets convicted he still fight on grounds of appeal.
Because hey, the PROTECT Act, Adam Walsh Act are being tried on ground of unconstitutionality by the Porn Industry on certain parts that effect the perception of obscenity and art.
There is a lot going on and this just goes to show you that you can NEVER let yourself belief that no one is trying to take away your rights, because the Christian Right, is ALWAYS working to get rid of porn because it OFFENDS them. *snorts*
If nothing else, PROP 8's passing just goes to show that they are willing funnel millions into a cause they believe in.
And nothing offends the Christian Right more than GAY PORN!
This case really pisses me off because it's the neo-cons with their "child porn" yelling that are trying to impose more restrictions on art and what is obscene. This is not the first case of the PROTECT Act, Adam Walsh Act, and Miller Test.
Do any of you recall the HUGE blow up over the Harry Potter fanart that happened on LiveJournal and spread through the ranks of the online world? This is that exact same situation only the Feds got involved because he ordered his stuff from Japan and it went through the mail which is federal territory.
If this was me, I would be suing the state and the Post Office, they invaded his personal property. The Post Office opened up his mail and then called the Feds and the Feds followed him home. They raided his place looking for ACTUAL child porn, because they were told he was actually buying CHILD PORN. They tore through his place, his computer, and confiscated everything and jailed on the charge of Child porn.
When they couldn't FIND ANY child porn they realized they screwed up. And they had to charge him with something so went with the case. The Judge throw out the charge of child porn, because, hey the guy didn't have any child porn.
But because the stuff offended this religious and conservative area... My god the man is reading GAY COMIC PORN!!! They went with obscenity.
If this was a fair trial, the guy would get off and be able to sue them for defamation of his character, illegal search, etc. But it's not, so he needs all the money he can get.
It's art and if he gets convicted he still fight on grounds of appeal.
Because hey, the PROTECT Act, Adam Walsh Act are being tried on ground of unconstitutionality by the Porn Industry on certain parts that effect the perception of obscenity and art.
There is a lot going on and this just goes to show you that you can NEVER let yourself belief that no one is trying to take away your rights, because the Christian Right, is ALWAYS working to get rid of porn because it OFFENDS them. *snorts*
If nothing else, PROP 8's passing just goes to show that they are willing funnel millions into a cause they believe in.
And nothing offends the Christian Right more than GAY PORN!
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11:44 pm, Dec 12 2008
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In lots of normal countries all around the world, age of consent is around 16 and such (making characters in high school aged over 16 having sex not illegal). Why should the rest of the words accept america's warped standards?
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11:51 pm, Dec 12 2008
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In theory, for the protection of the country, postal workers have legal rights to inspect suspicious packages In this case the worker thought this package for japan was suspicious and opened it. Freaked out about the pseudo kiddie porn, and called the FBI to investigate.
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11:56 pm, Dec 12 2008
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Word of mouth probably spread around about the kind of stuff he was into and eventually was heard by the wrong people. On top of that he used legal methods to buy his manga, which is a lot more easily traced than if he used some obscure site to download it all. Speaking of which, I got Ranma 1/2 manga where I'm sure there are a few scenes with Ranma topless and we all know he's 16. Better scan that shit in, encrypt it, and burn the physical evidence.
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12:12 am, Dec 13 2008
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12:12 am, Dec 13 2008
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This to me seems like a typical political pretense where...
...Policy makers try to get reelected by making vague but seemingly morally correct laws, which, in reality, just relocate public funds from current important issues to something with less of a priority.
...Police try to show they are doing something, because they haven't solved the last 50 homicide cases and haven't prosecuted the last hundred sexual offenders.
==== Below is my political view, it has nothing to do with this case, pls don't flame ==========
Below is an article, published by the Law School of Duke University, detailing a US Supreme Court Case on Visual Child Pornography.
http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/dltr/articles/2002dltr00 19.html
I am begging the state officials to spend our tax money more wisely.
...Policy makers try to get reelected by making vague but seemingly morally correct laws, which, in reality, just relocate public funds from current important issues to something with less of a priority.
...Police try to show they are doing something, because they haven't solved the last 50 homicide cases and haven't prosecuted the last hundred sexual offenders.
==== Below is my political view, it has nothing to do with this case, pls don't flame ==========
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I sure hope the new administration will get their priorities right, or we are going to get stuck with this economy for quite awhile.
A simple fund allocation mistake is the Iraq War. Our initial goal after 9/11 was to capture Bin Laden. With the trillions of dollars we poured into Iraq, the US could definitely make a human wall around Afghanistan, and scan the whole country inch by inch. As to how we still haven't captured Bin Laden, it is well beyond any fictional story.
Another example would be the Detroit Big 3. Instead of doing a simple market survey on what consumers really want, they just invested in executives who don't even know how to make a proper proposal (No plan + Private Jet???!! what is this? a relaxing vacation? COME ON)
A simple fund allocation mistake is the Iraq War. Our initial goal after 9/11 was to capture Bin Laden. With the trillions of dollars we poured into Iraq, the US could definitely make a human wall around Afghanistan, and scan the whole country inch by inch. As to how we still haven't captured Bin Laden, it is well beyond any fictional story.
Another example would be the Detroit Big 3. Instead of doing a simple market survey on what consumers really want, they just invested in executives who don't even know how to make a proper proposal (No plan + Private Jet???!! what is this? a relaxing vacation? COME ON)
Below is an article, published by the Law School of Duke University, detailing a US Supreme Court Case on Visual Child Pornography.
http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/dltr/articles/2002dltr00 19.html
I am begging the state officials to spend our tax money more wisely.
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12:20 am, Dec 13 2008
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this, amazon.co.jp have quietly decided to ban a huge variety of adult products:
WARNING: NSFW link
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/12/10/amazon-bans-lolicon-av-eroge-follow/
the world slowly descends back into the dark ages where not only books, but also its author, can be burned for 'violating the laws of god'
somebody must act
WARNING: NSFW link
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/12/10/amazon-bans-lolicon-av-eroge-follow/
the world slowly descends back into the dark ages where not only books, but also its author, can be burned for 'violating the laws of god'
somebody must act
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12:24 am, Dec 13 2008
Posts: 146
This is why I REALLY hate America. I live here and all these guy bashing/hating bastards are really starting to PISS ME THE HELL OFF!!! Obscenity? I'm not a law buff, but I thought, to be charged, it had to have been towards someone or publicly. How could they do this to a poor guy who just wants to read some yaoi? Through me in jail then motherf*ckers!!! I guess I'm a goddamn criminal!!! I guess that rapists, child molesters, drug dealers, murderers and the like are no longer the problem, but a guy into yaoi is!?!?! I hope all the prosecutors die horrible painful deaths!!!! Some one please explain to me exaclty how you can be charged with obscenity because I obviously don't know. F*CKING BULL SH*T!!!!
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12:25 am, Dec 13 2008
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well im not serious on the 'somebody must act' part ^^
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12:27 am, Dec 13 2008
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I meant "Gay bashing" not "guy bashing" lol. Totally different subject.
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12:34 am, Dec 13 2008
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at least America is still better than those ultraconservative nations
im living in Indonesia, we just breathe the fresh air of democracy and freedom in 1998. but i fear sooner or later it would be the 'Islamic Republic of Indonesia' if the islamic fundamentalists group here still allowed to roam free and continue lobbying government to apply 'sharia laws'(islamic laws).
heck, two weeks ago our stupid president just signed anti-porn and nudity law, that was protested by many civil rights movements.
im living in Indonesia, we just breathe the fresh air of democracy and freedom in 1998. but i fear sooner or later it would be the 'Islamic Republic of Indonesia' if the islamic fundamentalists group here still allowed to roam free and continue lobbying government to apply 'sharia laws'(islamic laws).
heck, two weeks ago our stupid president just signed anti-porn and nudity law, that was protested by many civil rights movements.
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12:35 am, Dec 13 2008
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You can get arrested for anything here -0-.
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Really its just a 2d anyway its not real... so what after this the gonna shut arrest people who plays h-game / eroge or shutting down manga shop. Geez...
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2:52 am, Dec 13 2008
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2:52 am, Dec 13 2008
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where is the common sense and logic
