disbelieving someone is innocent is no different than believing someone is guilty, then by your own statement everything is irrational. this may or may not be true, but it seems like you're arguing a rationalists standpoint so...



physics only explains data, some of which is not observable. even with the aid technology our senses are duller than our minds.

so what is a true atheist? i think the apathetic have it. their lack of concern removes a need for god.

don't confuse the agnostic with the apathetic, they very much have a want for god, or at least consider the notion. once the notion is considered its brought into consciousness and a god or anti-god is born.

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lets skip school

Why does this phrase remind me of people saying they aren't racist because they have black friends?



Now where did you read this? That sounds like the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.
And how did they research this? How many different religions? How many different nationalities? Did they research diet? Fitness? Did they include accidents and diseases?


Now this I highly doubt. No scratch that, simply not true.
Let me just start with that I have read the major papers from Einstein, as well as some minor, and I have never read anything like this.
Second, Einstein can't have proven scientifically that the soul goes somewhere, since the concept of the soul itself is unscientific.
I think you just pulled the name Einstein because he is seen as a genius and should thus not be questioned. Even Einstein made several mistakes in his research and calculations. And some of his claims have been proven wrong.
Unless you truly read/heard somewhere that he did, then sorry for my reaction, but that's just not true.

Now I could qoute your statement about demons and such, but let's not bother with that. The idea of demons possessing people is a bit too outlandish for me to even start with, no offense.

@havoccc
awesome flowchart

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Do but despise reason and science,
The highest of all human gifts -
Then you have surrendered to the Devil
And must surely perish. - J.W. von Goethe

keep in mind.
there are alot of things even science can't answer.



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why because i am the president of the student council of course

I dont really mind/care if you dont like the concepts or beliefs in religion, but you shouldnt disrespect it. You cant just disrespect something or someone because you dont like their ideas. I know plenty of people who believe in god and they dont loathe themselves.

Everyone has their own ideas. Just cause 2 people share the same religion doesnt mean theyre the same. Some christians think being gay is a sin, some dont. There are about a hundred different sects of the mormon church as well.

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Hence the creation of gods in the old days.

Science are religion are both ways of interpreting our existence, nothing more nothing less.

Extremists of any side can be bad since they refuse to listen to the other or give anyone else a chance, therefore it's not religion or lack of religion that dictates good and evil. Eat too much of anything can kill you regardless of the health benefits and that principle applies to everything in existence. Good and evil are both relative to the viewer, if you haven't realized that you haven't much understanding of either.

Right and wrong is only how we make of it, this discussion is the same. If you want to place blame on atheists simply because they don't believe, then how about all the atrocities other religions have committed simply because they believed.

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I'm seconding this.

What a person does is their business.

Its because people try and force their shit on others that are already happy that we have so much fighting in this world.

There are plenty of reasons to disrespect religion. The bigotry, the sexism, the conservatism, the wars they have started, the countries they've divided, the cultures they have wiped out, the people they have killed, not to mention the money it squeezes from the idiots who idolize it.

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Wanna see how you are going to say that to Jews, that they shouldn't disrespect nazis just because they don't like their ideas.
And don't even start saying that it's not possible to compare murderus regime with religion. Both of them are ideologies, both of them interpret world in their own twisted ways.
There was even a thought that the first totalitarian regime was the Byzantian Empire, the Emperor as the absolut ruler the dictator and christianity as the ideology. Those who were against the ideology (christianity) were persecuted.
Sure it's far fetched idea, but still gives you some things to think about. Like what are the real differences between ideologies and different religions.

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"Computer games don't affect kids....
I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."
/Kristian Wilson, Nintendo Inc, 1989

I would say that this is not religion this is people taking advantage of the fact that religion exists to get people to do what they want. I dont believe in any one religion. I think people should figure out for themselves what they believe in. Not blindly follow a church.


Man I really dont like it when people take things to the most logical extreme. I really dont know what to say to this. Im not a scholar or a philosopher or a debater really. just a 12 year old kid. I think that the world would be a whole lot more peaceful if people could just accept other peoples ideas. There wouldnt be that problem if nazis had respected the jews instead of slaughtering them.


I agree completely with whoever said this



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"omg" has evolved more into an expression in modern culture, as well as "damn you" and other such words we blurt out in extraneous situations. Personally, even though I don't believe in God, I still say omg interchangeably with crap or shit or whatever, since I've been raised around peers who say that all the time and it's grown into common practice. In the end, I never think about what I mean by blurting out "omg"; it's just a habit of mine.

Anyways, I'm agnostic and I doubt the existence of God until I see one side or the other proven. It is certain what we believe in will change though. The Greeks' belief in polytheism existed for a few hundred year from about 1100 B.C or so until it was integrated into the Romans' religion (not good with dates so don't trust me on this). Christianity took hold a few hundred years after 0 A.D, but then Protestant Reformation gain motion after Martin Luther's 95 Theses in the 1500s. I'm focusing on Christianity since it's the biggest religion out there, but what I'm trying to get to is that religion will change and so will the beliefs that we hold in what/who god is/are and his/her/its/their purpose.

TL;DR everything is cosmically insignificant, so who cares what we believe in.

Frankly I wasn't defining Religion narrowly. My statements must have clearly indicated that I don't care about other religion as they don't get the same attention and respect that the top three command.

I'm like an agnostic jewish atheist. Like, I'm technically a jew cause I was raised that way and I know and love the culture. But I really don't believe in god. Not enough to be so stubborn as to insult other people's belief's but I highly doubt it. I don't really think most organized religions are helping humanity though.

BUT GO SEE RELIGIOUS! It's that documentary about religion by Bill Mahr or something. He's a comedian. He doesn't put anyone down in the movie. He simply asks questions. That's what I like about.

If you wanna know what I think, go see it at ninjavideo.net, it really brings up good points. It's just a discussion about different religions, even though you can tell he doesn't believe it he doesn't really put anyone down. Plus, it's so funny. It's almost exactly what I believe.

If I didn't believe in the devil, then I probably wouldn't believe in God and I'd be an athiest. Either that or buddhist.

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Sarcasm just doesn't work over the internet.

As it stands the poll says:

64% atheists
36% religious

I would just like to say: Hooray!

But I won't go on a rant as i wouldn't want to offend anyone
Also i have food on the stove top, perhaps i'll come back for my rant a bit later.

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Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

No religious affiliation here. I wouldn't say that I don't believe higher powers exist though. It wouldn't surprise me if we are little more complex than bacteria in the eyes of some alien or higher power.

I often find it surprising to see so many people unwilling to accept such a concept. It's as if they are scared to consider that there may be something out there that's infinitely bigger/smarter/more powerful than themselves. Of course, it surprises me just as much that some won't consider the possibility that we really are alone.

Don't care much for organized religion myself. I have enough trouble dealing with rules in my secular life. I don't need anyone dumping rules on my spiritual. Leave me to my aliens, ghosts and demons in peace.



My take on the subject exactly. Love the rabid Sig by the way.