Erm... please stop the Flaming. The Moderator has gave us a Warning. I hope you guys would stop flaming one another. Anyway, Bandwidth Cost is not cheap. If you can't afford it, then close the site. Its not like "We can't find the Manga elsewhere"

So... Its simple ^^

I'm wondering where you guys get your numbers from. Some of them are so off it's sad...

The retail cost of a 100mbit unmetered connection lies between $1,000 and $1,200 per month. Of course the cost drops if you buy big amounts. And each server does not need to have their own 100mbit connection. Several servers can share the connection. Actually that is the most usual way of doing it. Connect a bunch of servers behind a router and have them share bw. If I would make a guess on how much bw narutofan needs, I would say somewhere in the amounts of 5gbit or so, thats $50,000ish and then server maintenance, server space, rack rental (I'm assuming he's using colocation as that is much cheaper in those volumes) and electricity comes on top of that. There are more expenses but it would just bore you if I list them all

Honestly I don't care much about what tazmo does. I don't agree with his way of doing things, so I don't do them myself. But it doesn't hurt anyone, so why bother? Why make a huge mob and bash him? It won't make a difference. If you want to make a difference, make a service that is better or just as good and make it free... Doubt any of you are capable of doing so

http://www.fdcservers.net/Services/DedicatedServers/100MbitU nmeteredservers

Other places have varying costs, but Manick told me about this site. Now, if you want 100mbit dedicated, that costs closer to what you've mentioned, with a dedicated 100mbit costing $900/mo from this provider. Of course, then each server *does* have its own dedicated bandwidth. Obviously you'll probably go with multiple gigabit connections, but prices can start getting finicky when you get to gigabit unmetered, and can depend on average usage (e.g. their gigabit unmetered starts at $429/mo, but that's only for 50mbit average usage, so if on average you use more, the cost will be higher), but again, that traffic is probably shared as well; gigabit dedicated from this provider runs $9k/mo. And sure, if you needed more, you could get more, for varying costs.

All this is besides the point, since we don't know what hosting plan NF uses, or how much actual bandwidth they go through, and thus cannot speculate with any semblance of accuracy or precision how much profit is actually being made. Apparently I should have just said that straight out, since my attempts at subtlety were lost in the impassioned furor of anti-Tazmo sentiment.

Man, I go 3+ years as a member here with only one post; then along comes this thread, and now I'm up to 6. *sigh*

Numbers mean very little. It's the content that matters.

Forum discussions usually boil down to one big wank fest anyways.

I may not like tazmo, but I respect him. Anyone who is shrewd enough to see the business opportunity, have the ambition, tenacity, and brains to carry it through, and keep at it, deserves my respect.

I don't know him enough to hate him. Even if you shut down Tazmo and Narutofan, another dozen like him will fill his place. The root of the problem is the people. Unless you're willing to change 1 million minds one by one to go against what is second nature to them then discussions at this point is only about comparing the sizes of your e-p.... brain matter.

Still it is the principle of the matter. Think of it as someone taking a good open source product (cdisplay) and sell it for money. Things should be free that are meant to be free. Just cause it's hard to stop something doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Profiting off of others labors like Tazmo is wrong. I don't care if it costs money to run the site, it's still like a slap in the face to a scanlator. They aren't doing it for profit and people like Tazmo make them want to quit. If you want to keep reading scanlated manga then don't support profit-hounds like Tazmo.

By the way I don't respect Tazmo at all, I think he is a sack of shit. I am an avid support of peer to peer even a member of the Pirate Party, but you don't see me downloading a music cd and then peddling it on the street corner. But the problem lies in the fact that the so-called artists in this case aren't asking for money and yet someone has the "balls" to do it. Saying someone is shrewd for seeing a business opportunity and deserving of respect in this is ridiculous. We might as well be respecting such upstanding jobs as Drug Overlords or Slave Traders then, because they were schrewd enough to see a business opportunity and jump on it. It might not be on the same level but it is the same concept.

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From what I remember from when he had a budget posted, the site was running him almost 40,000 a month. Or maybe it was a year? Whichever one makes more fiscal sense - 40,000 a year sounds REALLY low.

Speaking as a consumer of scantilations, and not a producer, I can honestly say that I skip right past credits pages. Sorry, even with the extra fan arts etc. I have no interest in them. If you put your names unobtrusively in the margins like was suggested, I have no problem reading an extra line here and there in my manga. If I really enjoyed your release, I will simply remember which group / person released it.

Personally, I download what I want for free from the various websites. I can certainly see though, why people pay Tazmo, and I don't particularly object - they are paying for his service. He collects all these mangas (and anime!), puts them in one place for the consumers, AND provides fast direct download speeds.

I can understand the frustration it comes from not getting recognized for your works, or even the frustration that someone else is profiting from them. I don't see how harassing his fanbase through their private messages is really beneficial to anyone - I hate telemarketers, and what you're doing is essentially the same. I don't want you calling me during dinner, and I don't want you filling my inbox with messages about your cause (which in this case would be hard, as I don't have an account).

I am most definately sure that his 2 million users is an inflated number - I doubt even half that are active, and even an eighth of a percent are plus members. I bet a solid number of them are people like me who registered, then found out they'd have to pay to get back issues of scantilations, so gave up.

This will disgust most of you I'm sure, but have you asked if he will report your group as the author if you agree to not only stop seeking the demise of his site, but actually endorsing it? When a new anime episode of Naruto comes out, NarutoFan names Dattebayo as the subber. I have no reason to think that they wouldn't do likewise for other groups, especially if the other groups are friendly towards them.

I apologize if I've actually offended anyone, I haven't meant to. I had a few other things I would have mentioned, but I'm fairly sure Pook mentioned them and did a better job conveying what I was trying to say than I would have. I know some of you feel strongly about this and also feel strongly that you should do something significant about it - which is fine - but I would also love to see the same people equally motivated about doing something to make the world a better place on a scale a bit larger than some guy with a website not giving out proper credits.

That said, bless all of you scantilators out there for your hard work. Contrary to what I'm sure my argument sounds like, I do readily and heartily appreciate the work you do. Thank you.

Did you just relate selling scanlations to slave traders and drug overlords?

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Oi

ps. recognition and endorsing have two separate meanings, mrsatan. I'm sorry if it sounded otherwise to you.

pps. Yes, something hard to do doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. I was instead pointing out the pissing contest. Nowhere in my post did I say OMG TAZMO FTW while squealing like a fangirl/boy.

If he was a real bishie I might do it...

j/k j/k

well, that's that, and can a mod delete one of my posts in the word As thread, for me to have 111 posts?


Since this is my last post. You will never see me again. Yaaaa, for those that sort of hate me. And tmoo who disrespected me.

But never the less

the only thing I see doable is

Write a polite but firm letter to tazmo explaining the situation.

So long people of BU.

to everyone, if the letter doesn't work. I'll be back with a nuke to combat tazmo, so until then have fun posting and read manga.

BTW kiss x sis kick ass, and so does man-rev

long live the MAN-REV

Long live the LEMON.



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Starter of Controversy.

have your guys read about thing happend to BSmanga owner? He got letter from Viz Media(im sure it Tazmo)...if the letter is fake, i think he should go to the bottom of this, good evidence for him to sue Tazmo?

Yup, I've read it. Didn't know if I'm suppose to laugh or be disgusted. This is great... Tazmo gives us more and more reasons to go against him. But, honestly, that guy is stupid or what?

The owner of bsmanga could give this letter to the police. Even if the fingerprints are already destroyed, there are still few methods, that allow to identify the author. I suppose that even printed this letter at home, which gives a chance to find quite good evidences (computer forensic is awesome...). And there is also the paper, the ink from the printer, maybe even saliva on the envelope...(if it was the old-type envelope).
The question is - what is the owner of bsmanga going to do?

Give this letter to the police, pretty, pretty please...
But I doubt he is going to do that

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Still the bad cop.

Give the letter to the police? You guys do know that they'll investigate both sides right? BS might really have to shut down or something. As for the letter, I read it and hell, anyone can tell that it's fake and the font is a little to big for an official letter IMO. I can't think of anyone else other than Tazmo, but that sounds a little prejudice...though there are reasons to believe why he would do such a thing (BS started the stop Tazmo message page).
I'll link the letters shown on bludshock's website:
Letter sent to bludshock
Kuro-Hana’s legitimate C&D order to compare


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Everyday I'm tumblin'

might be Tazmo's fangirl or fanboy that send the letter xD

well, if BS owner really send it in to police..i think it will damage both, but Tazmo(if it's him) is atleast going to Jail, right? faking a letter like that, its illegal!!
d(.__.)b good job Tazmo! xD but its good that he keep the letter, when Viz really going to close down BS, then he can send the letter to police ^^

But its not confirmed that BS owner didn't made the letter himself...well, i doubt it xD
PS. i have read too much Detective Conan xD

Hahah hilarious. That's all I have to say on the subject. :]

But I think Viz really wants the fanbase. Just look at Death Note. They're not idiots. It's not like they noticed DN was being fansubbed that late. XD

They didn't want the last episode being released because they wanted people to actually buy the anime. Haha...

Although, because of the fansubs, Death Note is an anime I really really look forward to buying and adding to my collection. Haha. It's just such an amazing anime.

But yeah. For the manga, I think they'd still want BS to keep scanlating it... it gets more people to want to read/buy the manga.

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The signatures....Are not even close to being the same... The one on BS's site has an "F" written over a "G" while the DN one has an actual signature Yet it says it's being sent by the same guy... Also, the grace period is not even realistic...2 days? The DN C/D gave them 10 days. There should be no changes in the wording for the C/D letter except for the dates, site, and the anime/manga title... A different font was used, and so many more things I can point out... Whoever did this (Tazmo) REALLY sucks at it.

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Oh come on, it's only been--what?--six days since my first post and now look at all you guys have posted! Took me about two hours to read em all since I don't want to reply while being ignorant of what you guys said then have someone bash me and stuff.

My post was for spreading the BS page. Just that. Don't talk about how you could bash tazmo and stuff. You can do it as side note but please, this is my idea (from BS) of stopping tazmo and this is how I intend to do it, which is why I posted here at MU. Since this site is a database for releases and manga, a lot of people will come here and, somehow, they'll find the BS page (which is now found in the home page, am i correct?). Plus, a lot of people here have connections to other sites.

I don't care if this doesn't infiltrate the nf fanbase directly, but since word spreads fast in the internet, people who know this can spread it to their scanlators and other scanlators can spread the word and the people who go between manga sources (like nf and other free scanlation groups) can go spread the word.

That is all on my part. Please don't war, don't fight, and prevent flaming. Sorry, admins.


@luisalirio, please stop using the word "retard". it's incorrect, c'mon.


ps: All of our releases in NCIS (that i have taken part in) will have the BS page.